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Co2 Detector - 12/8/2008 2:40:36 PM   
came4U


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Status: offline 		reminder to get one for someone you know for Christmas.  They are only 15-40 bucks.

http://cnews.canoe.ca/CNEWS/Canada/2008/12/08/7666936-sun.html

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RE: Co2 Detector - 12/8/2008 3:12:52 PM   
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Status: offline 		Based on the article, I think you mean a CO (carbon monoxide) detector.

And yes, in some homes, this can be a lifesaver.

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RE: Co2 Detector - 12/8/2008 3:17:45 PM   
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Status: offline 		Yes, the same almost.  CO is usually what they would call 'average of Carbon Dioxcide' in the air, CO2 is usually used in reference to dioxcins that are caused by feuls or combustion of such.
http://scifun.chem.wisc.edu/chemweek/pdf/CarbonDioxide.pdf

tomato, tamato.

and again, yes, they are very important.  Many assume because it is odorless and colorless they would never have a leak in their home.

Merry ho ho btw. Mr. Celtic.

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RE: Co2 Detector - 12/8/2008 3:54:51 PM   
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Have one mounted a few feet away from the furnace and hotwater heater.

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RE: Co2 Detector - 12/8/2008 3:57:22 PM   
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Status: offline 		Good job Orion.

I was thinking of starting a campaign to collect some for a charity next year.  Maybe they could donate them with the Christmas food hampers for the ones who qualify for that (lower income).  Seems more practical than toys.

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RE: Co2 Detector - 12/8/2008 4:12:19 PM   
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Status: offline 		I have one.   Carbon monoxide is oderless.    ...I sorta ran out of outlets.  (even with the 8 cord surge cords)  so maybe I will plug it back in.

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RE: Co2 Detector - 12/8/2008 4:23:08 PM   
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RE: Co2 Detector - 12/8/2008 5:58:14 PM   
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Status: offline 		It costs more, but get them connected to the mains, batteries run out.

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RE: Co2 Detector - 12/8/2008 6:15:48 PM   
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Status: offline 		Carbon monoxide detectors should be installed in every home that has natural gas, propane gas or a fireplace.  It should be installed low to the floor.  If you get one that plugs into a wall outlet make sure that it has a battery backup.  They cost around $25.00.  Good cheap investment to keep you alive.

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RE: Co2 Detector - 12/8/2008 6:43:26 PM   
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Status: offline 		" Where Should I Place a Carbon Monoxide Detector?
Because carbon monoxide is slightly lighter than air and also because it may be found with warm, rising air, detectors should be placed on a wall about 5 feet above the floor. The detector may be placed on the ceiling. Do not place the detector right next to or over a fireplace or flame-producing appliance. Keep the detector out of the way of pets and children. Each floor needs a separate detector. If you getting a single carbon monoxide detector, place it near the sleeping area and make certain the alarm is loud enough to wake you up. "

http://chemistry.about.com/od/howthingswork/a/codetectors.htm

"In addition more than CO will be emitted with furnace failure or
with the use of an unvented heaters. Carbon dioxide a heavier gas will
collect on the floor building up and possibly preventing carbon monoxide
from ever reaching the alarm if located at a floor outlet."

http://www.newton.dep.anl.gov/askasci/chem03/chem03364.htm

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RE: Co2 Detector - 12/8/2008 8:12:27 PM   
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Status: offline 		Get your chimneys and flues cleaned yearly. If you burn wood, clean the chimney every two to four cords, as your sweep recommends. And keep the exhaust system in your car in good working order because there are no CO monitors there.

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RE: Co2 Detector - 12/9/2008 3:54:11 AM   
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Get your chimneys and flues cleaned yearly. If you burn wood, clean the chimney every two to four cords, as your sweep recommends. And keep the exhaust system in your car in good working order because there are no CO monitors there.

and make sure your chimney is covered. A birds nest caused CO poisoning in our home a few years ago.


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RE: Co2 Detector - 12/9/2008 7:42:41 AM   
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Status: offline 		Well, I keep a spark arrester on it, a mesh screen wrap. But it didn't prevent some hornets from building a giant nest right inside. Sweep took the cap off and ran for cover. That was an unwelcome surprise.

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RE: Co2 Detector - 12/9/2008 8:22:19 AM   
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Status: offline 		You're confused.  Carbon monoxide and carbon dioxide are completely different molecules.  There are detectors for both, but carbon monoxide is the more serious killer.

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ORIGINAL: came4U

Yes, the same almost.  CO is usually what they would call 'average of Carbon Dioxcide' in the air, CO2 is usually used in reference to dioxcins that are caused by feuls or combustion of such.
http://scifun.chem.wisc.edu/chemweek/pdf/CarbonDioxide.pdf

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RE: Co2 Detector - 12/9/2008 8:33:39 AM   
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Status: offline 		You are right Lordandmaster.  I have no idea why I even put the word 'dioxin' in there.  Had the word in my head at the time.

Carbon dioxide is writen as C02 in the element table.

Everyone disregard the word dioxin as it refers to C, I meant the word as the effect of burning combustables (see: define: dioxin:
Any of several carcinogenic or teratogenic heterocyclic hydrocarbons that occur as impurities in petroleum-derived herbicides.) not as it would refer to a carbon.

I don't know why all the press now is pushing for Co2 detectors only and not CO detectors.  Yes, there are two kinds. 

I wonder if the sensitivity on either will take up the slack??  If I am this confused right now, imagine people might be out buying the wrong ones after this tragedy.  Already stores have run out and are on back order.

Thanks to you and Celtic for noticing.

Oh oh, update: she perished yesterday, she is now with her family    http://www.citynews.ca/news/news_29935.aspx

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RE: Co2 Detector - 12/9/2008 9:23:29 AM   
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Status: offline 		Ok, I just checked, I already have a CO detector (ex made sure to put one in when I moved here, Mr. Safety that he is) but now I might need a CO2 det too??

Isn't the CO detector enough, I have gas heat?  The detector is mounted on the cieling about 8 feet from the gas furnace and line.

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RE: Co2 Detector - 12/9/2008 9:37:31 AM   
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Well, I keep a spark arrester on it, a mesh screen wrap. But it didn't prevent some hornets from building a giant nest right inside. Sweep took the cap off and ran for cover. That was an unwelcome surprise.


OW!!!  But that just proves one point: No matter how safe you think you are a detector is a must.
The chimney screen we had lifted, though we had just had it checked in the fall. Our incident with the CO2 was in October and everyone got a detector for Christmas that year.

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RE: Co2 Detector - 12/9/2008 10:33:12 AM   
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Well, I keep a spark arrester on it, a mesh screen wrap. But it didn't prevent some hornets from building a giant nest right inside.


Is it possible that screen is the foundation and reason why the hornets nested there??  or was it not on/near the screen? 

I think this is why this particular case happened...a blockage/nest of some kind, but it only says 'blockage'.

When I was in the southern states, every year we (uhh well, ok not me lol) 'someone' cleaned the fireplace flue with a brick on a rope every fall. 

Since this news and now I have natural gas lines I am paranoid...I keep windows open partially, check and re-check that doors are open (yes, back and front doors open with the chain on) and air is circulating.....unfortunately lol my hydro bill for heat has skyrocketted now.  The furnace is going almost constantly now, the gas is free but the blowers/fans on the furnace isn't.

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RE: Co2 Detector - 12/9/2008 5:57:41 PM   
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Status: offline 		No, it wasn't in the cap but on the side of the flue. And it's always had a spark arrestor.  My furnace is direct vented, no chimney there to worry about. Just the wood stove.

But we nearly died from a cracked tailpipe courtesy of the Long Island Expressway. I'm paranoid about getting down with a flashlight after hitting big potholes now.

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RE: Co2 Detector - 12/9/2008 6:43:28 PM   
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Status: offline 		Yes I understand, my baby niece n nephew died in a murder/suicide in '79 via vehicular carbon monoxide. Likely that is why I am so paranoid of it now.

I don't know what a spark arrestor is, except on the outside of a fireplace (so a flame doesn't go onto a carpet)?? but I had a woodstove that vented through an old chimney. 

Me and indoor fires don't get along.  I am far to paranoid and lay awake nights, if a fire were running it would (to me) be like the stove is on full blast.

In fact, once I put too much wood in a woodstove combined with too much air through the vent.  The flue actually turned bright RED.  I panicked but did not open the door or toss water (it likely would have exploded in that case).  I closed the vent as much as possible and waited it out.  Again, Jesus was there, because it slowly turned orangy, to a darker orange then the pipe was black again. WHEW.

After that, I put no more than one log in at a time lol. 

Like I said, fires an me don't get along.  I decided fire let me win ONCE, Mr. fire was kind, he likely won't be so nice next time.

*see what happens if a man leaves a dame in charge of a fire....I thought men were supposted to do that sorta sh*t.

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