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RE: Confessions throw Gitmo 9/11 trials into confusion - 12/8/2008 9:15:10 PM

HunterS

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ORIGINAL: Mercnbeth

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Would you go to prison to obtain all of the "so called" benifits you ascribe to the prisoners in question?
Why do you assume that they would all go to Afghanistan?
If Afghanistan is where they would go are you saying that prison is more desireable than "home"?
Are you suggesting that they have "unfettered" computer access?
Are you suggesting that they have "unfettered" access to reading material? Would they have access to the personel records of their captors? Would they have access to the architectural and engineering drawings of the prison they are in?
I have not heard of people lining up to get into the prison at Gitmo to access all of the so called benifits you have listed.

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So called? If offered to you what would you call them? Oh yeah, more than likely you view those as 'entitlements'. It's been represented that many, if not all of these fine young men either lived prior or were trained in Afghanistan. That was the reason for that assumption. However, wherever they are from they will have to replace their source of entitlements. I'll be pleased to no longer be footing the bill.

If the word "unfettered" appeared as you read my reply you have a computer virus.

It's difficult to get near enough to Gitmo to line up. However, I see many people thinking they are entitled, and lining up for the exact same benefits. I haven't polled them for their preferred location, but I'm thinking tropical Cuba would be preferred to say...Detroit.

My personal views regarding the value of those entitlements relative to my freedom; my position was given previously.

Isn't it more than a little presumptious of you to decide what I may or not think are "entitlements"?
I,like you, prefer freedom to prison...but you seem to imply that those presently imprisoned should be thankful for their position. Why do you presume that they would prefer prison to freedom?
The cite quoted did not reference national origin,economic condition or location of academic or military training of any of the individuals concerned in the article.
Your listing of the prisioners access to the net and reading material was not qualified so I asked for clarification...which you chose not to acknowledge,but rather implied that I misquoted you.
You "line up" for your entitlements so why do you denigrate others for doing the same?
You may prefer Cuba to Detroit but some might prefer Aspen or Brekinridge to Cuba.
I too would like to be relieved of the economic burden imposed on me by my government for those imprisoned at Gitmo.

H.

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RE: Confessions throw Gitmo 9/11 trials into confusion - 12/8/2008 9:23:45 PM

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Yep. If they are sent to regular prisons, they will likely be killed violently after becoming someone's bitch.

I doubt it. They would never see general population. They would be housed in administrative segregation.

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RE: Confessions throw Gitmo 9/11 trials into confusion - 12/8/2008 9:26:39 PM

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If you confess to a crime why would they empanel a jury?
They simply proceed to the penality phase.

Because a confession and pleading guilty are two different things. Short of a guilty plea, a trial (thus, a jury) is necessary.

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In a letter read aloud by the judge, the defendants implied they want to plead guilty, but did not specify whether they will admit to specific charges.

Will they plead guilty to specific charges? Or merely confess to certain acts?

Your post seems to take the rather purile position of arguing both sides of a position you have implied but not stated. Perhaps before continuing further you might want to fully research what the prisoners actually said in their letter to the judge before offering uninformed opinion on what they might have said.
I expect though, that you will continue to post in the same vein as you have thus far.

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RE: Confessions throw Gitmo 9/11 trials into confusion - 12/8/2008 9:36:16 PM

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RE: Confessions throw Gitmo 9/11 trials into confusion - 12/8/2008 10:35:28 PM

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Yep. If they are sent to regular prisons, they will likely be killed violently after becoming someone's bitch.

I doubt it. They would never see general population. They would be housed in administrative segregation.

~stef

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RE: Confessions throw Gitmo 9/11 trials into confusion - 12/8/2008 10:45:50 PM

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Yeah CL, what the hell were you thinking trying to discuss something in a discussion forum. Don't you know how offensive that could be. Shame on you.

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ORIGINAL: HunterS

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ORIGINAL: celticlord2112

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If you confess to a crime why would they empanel a jury?
They simply proceed to the penality phase.

Because a confession and pleading guilty are two different things. Short of a guilty plea, a trial (thus, a jury) is necessary.

Also from the article:

quote:

In a letter read aloud by the judge, the defendants implied they want to plead guilty, but did not specify whether they will admit to specific charges.

Will they plead guilty to specific charges? Or merely confess to certain acts?

Your post seems to take the rather purile position of arguing both sides of a position you have implied but not stated. Perhaps before continuing further you might want to fully research what the prisoners actually said in their letter to the judge before offering uninformed opinion on what they might have said.
I expect though, that you will continue to post in the same vein as you have thus far.

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RE: Confessions throw Gitmo 9/11 trials into confusion - 12/9/2008 6:02:10 AM

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Yep. If they are sent to regular prisons, they will likely be killed violently after becoming someone's bitch.

I doubt it. They would never see general population. They would be housed in administrative segregation.

~stef

That's a shame

So far these people have been convicted of nothing and you feel it is a shame that they are not allowed to be murdered by mindless fucks who believe that being accused is the same as being convicted.
Your post shows a depth of understanding and logic that has seldom been equaled.

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