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housesub4you -> Yea Illinois wins the GOV in jail race (12/9/2008 7:47:11 AM)
http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20081209/ap_on_re_us/blagojevich_corruption_probe Ahhhh...politics in Illinois

Steponme73 -> RE: Yea Illinois wins the GOV in jail race (12/9/2008 8:00:54 AM)
With any luck at all he will get 10-15 years with a big hairy guy for a bunk mate.

SilverMark -> RE: Yea Illinois wins the GOV in jail race (12/9/2008 8:06:05 AM)
What a blatant crook that guy is!

celticlord2112 -> RE: Yea Illinois wins the GOV in jail race (12/9/2008 8:08:50 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: housesub4you Ahhhh...politics in Illinois Ironic that Blagojevich was elected to clean up George Ryan's corruption. The part that shocked me was this little gem: quote: A 76-page FBI affidavit said the 51-year-old Democratic governor was intercepted on court-authorized wiretaps over the last month conspiring to sell or trade the vacant Senate seat for personal benefits for himself and his wife, Patti. Even in politics, one generally doesn't see that sort of brazen greed and mendacity.

housesub4you -> RE: Yea Illinois wins the GOV in jail race (12/9/2008 9:24:33 AM)
CL isn't that the kick in the ass. This guy thought he could do whatever he wanted the hell with the law. Well when he is in jail, he will have done his part to clean up Illinois. Though I'm afraid he will go to some nice comfy Fed prison like Ryan. Who by the way is trying to get out early because his wife is sick. Yea, cause everyone in jail can appeal to the courts because a family member is sick. Well they can appeal to the courts but the courts tend not to listen to the average person in jail

FirmhandKY -> RE: Yea Illinois wins the GOV in jail race (12/9/2008 10:03:02 AM)
FR: Notice ... there is no mention of which party he belongs in the lede of the story. Firm

housesub4you -> RE: Yea Illinois wins the GOV in jail race (12/9/2008 10:27:05 AM)
Sure if you don't count the following line "A 76-page FBI affidavit said the 51-year-old Democratic governor"

SilverMark -> RE: Yea Illinois wins the GOV in jail race (12/9/2008 10:31:58 AM)
In Illinois they have equal opportunity corruption last Jailed Gov. was Republican this one will be a Democrat....and one followed the other!

sambamanslilgirl -> RE: Yea Illinois wins the GOV in jail race (12/9/2008 10:43:51 AM)
woohoo! no one likes him in Chicago anymore ...shame on him for trying to sell Obama's seat

FirmhandKY -> RE: Yea Illinois wins the GOV in jail race (12/9/2008 11:55:17 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: housesub4you Sure if you don't count the following line "A 76-page FBI affidavit said the 51-year-old Democratic governor" lede CHICAGO – Illinois Gov. Rod Blagojevich was arrested on Tuesday on charges he brazenly conspired to sell or trade the U.S. Senate seat left vacant by President-elect Barack Obama to the highest bidder in what a federal prosecutor called a "corruption crime spree." U.S. Attorney Patrick Fitzgerald told a news conference prosecutors make "no allegations" Obama was aware of any alleged scheming. Blagojevich also was charged with illegally threatening to withhold state assistance to Tribune Co., the owner of the Chicago Tribune, in the sale of Wrigley Field, according to a federal criminal complaint. In return for state assistance, Blagojevich allegedly wanted members of the paper's editorial board who had been critical of him fired. "We were in the middle of a corruption crime spree and we wanted to stop it," Fitzgerald said Tuesday, calling the corruption charges against Blagojevich "a truly new low." You see any mention of his political party in that? Or in the title? The majority of such stories concerning Republicans would have started out: Republican Illinois Governor Arrested for Corruption! CHICAGO – Illinois Gov. Rod Douchebag (R) was arrested on Tuesday ... Elected in the wake of the previous Republican* Governors removal ...* See related story: Why are Illinois Republicans so corrupt? Firm

sambamanslilgirl -> RE: Yea Illinois wins the GOV in jail race (12/9/2008 12:12:06 PM)
update: Blago is free after posting a federal bond of $4500

Vendaval -> RE: Yea Illinois wins the GOV in jail race (12/9/2008 8:10:21 PM)
When politicians do get prison time it is usually at a minimum security facility. As an example the 5 year sentence at a minimum security facility for Dan White after murdering Mayor George Moscone and Supervisor Harvey Milk.

housesub4you -> RE: Yea Illinois wins the GOV in jail race (12/10/2008 4:32:14 AM)
I guess it's not enough he was arrested. As the saying goes, you can't please all the people all time. Besides, if you blame the party he belongs to, then all GOP congress men, must be in the bathroom giving head, or trying to pick up young boys via emails. It's not the party it's the person. That line appears in the article, so it's not in the first section of the article, are you suggesting that Republicans don't read the complete article, they just read the first few lines and make a judgment? Besides, your qoute is not from the article I linked to. In the article I linked to it is mentioned in the 11th line.

MmeGigs -> RE: Yea Illinois wins the GOV in jail race (12/10/2008 4:53:29 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: FirmhandKY You see any mention of his political party in that? Or in the title? The majority of such stories concerning Republicans would have started out: Republican Illinois Governor Arrested for Corruption! I looked up Ted Stevens stories. They don't make a point of him being a Republican.

FirmhandKY -> RE: Yea Illinois wins the GOV in jail race (12/10/2008 7:22:48 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: MmeGigs quote: ORIGINAL: FirmhandKY You see any mention of his political party in that? Or in the title? The majority of such stories concerning Republicans would have started out: Republican Illinois Governor Arrested for Corruption! I looked up Ted Stevens stories. They don't make a point of him being a Republican. No links? It's not 100% each time, either way. Good journalism should be that each party is treated equally in identification of their respective "bad boys", but if you look, each time you see a politician in trouble being reported in the media you may notice a trend that it seems to be the (D) side where the party affiliation is minimized. On this side of the aisle, it has become something of a sport, tracking and publicizing when such journalist ethics are not met, to such an extent that some major media outlets have gone back and changed their stories to correct the imbalance. But it still happens most of the time. I remember a (Newsweek?) story a couple of months ago that listed the top 10 or so recent political corruption newsmakers, with a short blurb on each politician. The Republican ones were quickly and well identified, while the Democrat ones weren't identified at all by party, other than they weren't identified as Republicans. Firm

housesub4you -> RE: Yea Illinois wins the GOV in jail race (12/10/2008 7:47:46 AM)
So 11 lines into the link I posted is not considered in your view fair? In most of the stories posted on any person/party, they discuss the wrong doings of the person first then make the connection to the party. The person is at fault, not the party. When Craig, Ryan or the guy in CA all got sentenced the lead was about the person and the party second. Granted, I'm a Dem, so I'll take stabs at the party, but the person is who is at fault. You won't find me supporting anyone of either party when they are arrested.

MmeGigs -> RE: Yea Illinois wins the GOV in jail race (12/11/2008 4:30:30 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: FirmhandKY No links? The link in the OP was from Yahoo News. I went to Yahoo News and put in Ted Stevens. There were articles there from Alaska Public Radio, USA Today, ABC Alaska News, the Washington Post, Mpls Star-Tribune, Houston Chronicle, Fox News, MSNBC, ... Not one mentioned his party affiliation in the headline. I looked at a number of them more closely and none that I read made much of a deal about him being a Republican. quote: Good journalism should be that each party is treated equally in identification of their respective "bad boys", but if you look, each time you see a politician in trouble being reported in the media you may notice a trend that it seems to be the (D) side where the party affiliation is minimized. I read a lot of news and have not seen this trend. The party of the corrupt politician is nearly always mentioned. quote: I remember a (Newsweek?) story a couple of months ago that listed the top 10 or so recent political corruption newsmakers, with a short blurb on each politician. The Republican ones were quickly and well identified, while the Democrat ones weren't identified at all by party, other than they weren't identified as Republicans. No link?

FirmhandKY -> RE: Yea Illinois wins the GOV in jail race (12/11/2008 7:38:50 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: MmeGigs quote: ORIGINAL: FirmhandKY No links? The link in the OP was from Yahoo News. I went to Yahoo News and put in Ted Stevens. There were articles there from Alaska Public Radio, USA Today, ABC Alaska News, the Washington Post, Mpls Star-Tribune, Houston Chronicle, Fox News, MSNBC, ... Not one mentioned his party affiliation in the headline. I looked at a number of them more closely and none that I read made much of a deal about him being a Republican. quote: Good journalism should be that each party is treated equally in identification of their respective "bad boys", but if you look, each time you see a politician in trouble being reported in the media you may notice a trend that it seems to be the (D) side where the party affiliation is minimized. I read a lot of news and have not seen this trend. The party of the corrupt politician is nearly always mentioned. I think you mistake my comment. Sometimes the question isn't absence of identification, but rather it's prominence. Perhaps now that you are alerted to the trend, you'll pay closer attention. quote: ORIGINAL: MmeGigs quote: ORIGINAL: FirmhandKY I remember a (Newsweek?) story a couple of months ago that listed the top 10 or so recent political corruption newsmakers, with a short blurb on each politician. The Republican ones were quickly and well identified, while the Democrat ones weren't identified at all by party, other than they weren't identified as Republicans. No link? You were quoting from source. I was quoting from memory. You're not convinced anyway, and won't be, unless you notice the trend yourself, as any one individual story isn't sufficient proof. Only after noticing it time and time again will it become apparent. I didn't believe it either, until a couple of years of seeing it. Firm

housesub4you -> RE: Yea Illinois wins the GOV in jail race (12/11/2008 7:49:33 AM)
Jeez there is an excuse for everything. So your claim was proven false, but now you claim "it's only from memory" You said at first my link did not mention the party, I proved you wrong when I pointed out you used a different source and in my source it was 11th line. We all see what we choose to see, at times I will be wrong at times I will be right, but at least I compare apples to apples

FirmhandKY -> RE: Yea Illinois wins the GOV in jail race (12/11/2008 8:14:24 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: housesub4you Jeez there is an excuse for everything. So your claim was proven false, but now you claim "it's only from memory" You said at first my link did not mention the party, I proved you wrong when I pointed out you used a different source and in my source it was 11th line. We all see what we choose to see, at times I will be wrong at times I will be right, but at least I compare apples to apples My primary "claim" was that the party of the governor was not mentioned in the lede of the story referenced in the OP. You seemed to not know what the term "lede" meant, so I gave you a link to several definitions, along with the lede of the particular story in question. You did not prove my comment false. What you did attempt to do was not address my point at, but make unsourced claims about another case and different stories. Since then, you've been engaged in an attempt to muddy the waters without anything other than "nah, you're wrong". I'm not convinced you really care one way or the other, and I'm not interested in spending hours and days in googling and posting links to stories to someone whose point of view is likely not open to facts. As I recommended, simply look at the issue of party identification as you read any news story, and see, over time, if you notice a trend. On "this side", we call this intellectual exercise "name that party". It's an interesting game, and I'll let any other reader draw their own conclusions over time. Whether you draw the same conclusions I have, is - of course - open to question, along with whatever cognitive bias you may be prey to. Firm PS. On rereading, I may have mingled Mgrigs with you. Sorry if so, but you both seem to be pretty much talking the same line, so I'm not inclined to modify my comments.

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