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celticlord2112 -> Fuzzy math (12/10/2008 9:29:22 AM)

Inaction on Big 3 would cost taxpayers billions

Here's an interesting tidbit about the proposed Big Three Bailout, from the Center for Automotive Research, speculating on the "cost" of the jobs lost if the Big Three are not given public funds:

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Overall, that lost employment would cost government at all levels $50 billion next year and $108 billion over the next three years, the center estimates, with Washington bearing most of that cost. Almost a quarter of the money would be for unemployment, welfare, health care and other costs government would have to carry, while the rest would come from lost collections of income taxes and payroll taxes that support Social Security.

In a more severe scenario in which the Big Three halted all U.S. operations completely, the three-year cost to taxpayers would be $156 billion in lost tax revenue and higher spending, the center says.


So...best case if we don't bail them out, taxpayers are soaked indirectly for $50Billion.  Middle case it's $108 Billion.  Worst case is $156 Billion.

To avoid this we need to shovel money at them--first $25 Billion, then $34 Billion...and what a coincidence!  The $15Billion Congress wants to give them NOW while they figure out what to do with taxpayer dollars brings that number up to (drum roll, please), $50Billion.  With potentially more to come (Zandi's credibility is suspect, but his estimate of $75 to $150 billion needed overall to save the Big Three stands as the worst case scenario).

So the urgency of the situation is this:  Government must spend $50 Billion (or more) right away to avoid losing $50Billion (or more) in tax revenue over the next few years.  This is called a prudent use of taxpayer money.[8|]




popeye1250 -> RE: Fuzzy math (12/10/2008 10:43:55 AM)

CL, AIG wants to step up to the trough again to cover some bad "derivitive" investments.
Gee, I've made some bad investments in the past, do you think...




celticlord2112 -> RE: Fuzzy math (12/10/2008 11:05:19 AM)


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ORIGINAL: popeye1250

CL, AIG wants to step up to the trough again to cover some bad "derivitive" investments.
Gee, I've made some bad investments in the past, do you think...

Which European country would we be bailing out this time?




UncleNasty -> RE: Fuzzy math (12/10/2008 2:25:01 PM)

It's only paper, er, um, money.

Jefferson warned us what would happen if "we" lost control of it.


Uncle Nasty, happily back to 1 1/2 hands.




DarkSteven -> RE: Fuzzy math (12/10/2008 7:40:35 PM)

WTF?  They've been ooutsourcing and offshoring jobs for years.  Suddenly, if we don't pay them money, we'll lose jobs?  Hell, we were losing them BEFORE they cried for our money.

Idiot Congressmenr aren't making any stipulations, like that there will be ZERO jobs lost or cuts in payroll if the money is forked out.  If we're doing this to save jobs, shouldn't they specify that the jobs WILL be saved if we pay out?

This is Negotiating 101, folks.  Not rocket science.




hizgeorgiapeach -> RE: Fuzzy math (12/10/2008 8:34:50 PM)

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ORIGINAL: DarkSteven

WTF?  They've been ooutsourcing and offshoring jobs for years.  Suddenly, if we don't pay them money, we'll lose jobs?  Hell, we were losing them BEFORE they cried for our money.

Idiot Congressmenr aren't making any stipulations, like that there will be ZERO jobs lost or cuts in payroll if the money is forked out.  If we're doing this to save jobs, shouldn't they specify that the jobs WILL be saved if we pay out?

This is Negotiating 101, folks.  Not rocket science.



Now now, Steven, what on earth do you think you're doing, expecting a bit of Common Sense and Intelligence out of POLITICIANS????? Haven't you realized that the vast majority of them came from families with sufficient money to Buy their college degrees, regardless of whether they even showed up to class, much less comprehended any of the concepts those classes taught?




popeye1250 -> RE: Fuzzy math (12/10/2008 10:39:10 PM)

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ORIGINAL: DarkSteven

WTF?  They've been ooutsourcing and offshoring jobs for years.  Suddenly, if we don't pay them money, we'll lose jobs?  Hell, we were losing them BEFORE they cried for our money.

Idiot Congressmenr aren't making any stipulations, like that there will be ZERO jobs lost or cuts in payroll if the money is forked out.  If we're doing this to save jobs, shouldn't they specify that the jobs WILL be saved if we pay out?

This is Negotiating 101, folks.  Not rocket science.



Good points!
We the Taxpayers shouldn't be loaning them money to keep people in foreign countries working!
They need to close those plants!




pahunkboy -> RE: Fuzzy math (12/11/2008 6:20:11 AM)

Dark  tisk tish,.   you are not supposed to remember that!

YOU ARE  a threat to national security.

there has been no terrorst attacks on US soil since the bail out.    see??

I nominate Popeye to enforce the new rule.    The new rule is any bail out will now be paid in coins and notes, not a check and not wired.  I want the CEO to handcount each piece and tell me how much has been given to him.  If he gets the number wrong, I get to cut their balls off... so best the concentrate on counting.    How long do you suppose it would take to hand count the bail out money???

Popeye, are you there?  You get to supervise.   Make sure no machine is used.   I need a volunteer with a cam to stream the count online.   I also need a volunteer to sharpen knives.     During the count, I will be humane.  He may see TV, Ill put one of the babble heads 24 hour news channels on.  I will play it loud enough to be heard.   No bathroom break will be allowed.   If he breaks, he gets no money at all.   I personally will hold the knife near his balls and his legs will be handcuffed.   If someone has red pepper and it falls and this guys sneezes, I will need a cleaning person to mop.  How long will it take to hand count 1 trillion dollars?  even if paid in $100 bills?  

All right- lets roll!




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