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proudsub -> RE: freelance columnist trashes campus BDSM club (8/22/2004 12:57:12 PM)
quote: to the tune of $180.00 a semester, at Colorado State, in 1997..... I just paid my daughters fees and it's $410/semester now at CSU. She's a grad student there. I support all student activities, even her bowling club gets some of the student funds. Everyone benefits from students that are involved in activites that they enjoy.

twistedthorns -> RE: freelance columnist trashes campus BDSM club (10/11/2004 3:21:22 AM)
Cuffs is at Iowa State University, not the University of Iowa (the article never stated where in Iowa the club was at just that it was at an Iowa univeristy), it DOES receive funding, $1500 in fact, from the studant activities fund. MOST of its money comes from its members yes, but they do get university money. They did receive last year a WHOPPING $94 from the Gov't Studant Body. The club was disbanded last year, partialy due to lack of time to organize but also becuase ISU became aware of the activities going on at the club meetings. They were doing demo's and such and things got in a bit of an uproar over that, and the screening of members to minimize anyone dangerous entering the group. The screening of members was against ISU policy and so the studants were refused funding, they changed the by-laws and received funding the following semester. People in this area got into a HUGE uproar, primarily that, heaven forbid, there was a BDSM club actually IN Iowa. Anyone around here knows there is more than just this campus club, but i think it shocked a lot of the conservatives around here, which unfortunately is the bulk of the population. i've included a link to an article in the Des Moines Register regarding the club. The link to Iowa State Daily includes comments made by Chuck Hurley, president of the Iowa Family Policy Center, i included this link because the Des Moines Register article references to his remarks about Cuffs. The second DSM Register article is about the funding they received last year. Being from Iowa and new to the lifestyle i was rather happy to hear there was such a club for the college studant to safely explore this lifestyle. Des Moines Register.com \| Opinions Iowa State Daily - 12/15/03 Des Moines Register \| News Just my 2centsS twistedthorns

Mercnbeth -> RE: freelance columnist trashes campus BDSM club (10/11/2004 9:39:58 AM)
What a fine Monday morning topic to use as a soapbox venting platform. Especially how in moving from the more civilized East Coast where Columbus Day was properly celebrated as a holiday. I'd really hate my boss if I didn't work for myself! Instead this morning I learned from the morning news that Columbus was the "First Terrorist". So, with no attempt at political correctness, and with only actual historical facts referenced consider.... When reading these consider that 84.3% of all statistical percentages are made up by the reporting source. 90% of the tenured professors identify themselves as 'liberal'. It's been argued that a liberal student is a future conservative as soon as he makes some money - Reference: Yesterday's hippies are today's Yuppies. An academic environment is the only place where liberal policies can work. "Those that can't produce or support themselves in the capitalist economic model - Teach." (I think that's a quote from Malcolm Forbes, or Forbes magazine fame. - Gay or at least bi-sexual btw) The real world does not support a socialist, liberal form or government - (see communism). People are inherently selfish and not motivated to work long term for the 'common good' where all men are created equal. (Please remember to read the words LONG TERM in that sentence.) The only true publicly known liberal socialist person in the last 2004 years - Mother Theresa. Anyone volunteering to live like her? And the last person Jesus? Although I've heard arguments that his activity was politically motivated or at least politically exploited by the documentations. Want to eliminate the US deficit? Eliminate ALL tax breaks given to religious institutions, colleges, charities. By the way, anyone who gives cash to charities, consider that the 'administration fee' for these tax exempt groups ranges from 35-85% of every dollar you give. I don't know about you, but it's the season where I've been flooded by parents of children selling candy, holiday wrap, coupon books, as fund raisers for their kids schools or sports teams - Average money that goes to the target - 7%. Sometimes less if the school doesn't reach the minimum sales volume. Religions and charities are the biggest corporate tax evaders. Enron's negative impact to the economy pales in comparison. And next time you put any money in the collection box at a catholic church consider that 60% of the money currently taken in the Boston district is going to defend the pedophilia suits against priests. This number is 75% in LA. Want to eliminate war - OUTLAW ALL religion. There has been no war that was not motivated by some religious 'justification', or a sub plot of religious motivation or "God's on our side!" propaganda. Through the course of history many millions more were killed for god's sake then were saved. "May their spirit be purged of their sins as they burn on the pyre of Christ." Pope John XXII when signing the papal decree concerning the Inquisition.

thewonderer -> RE: freelance columnist trashes campus BDSM club (10/11/2004 11:22:11 AM)
ah, my hometown...

Thanatosian -> RE: freelance columnist trashes campus BDSM club (10/11/2004 2:06:46 PM)
quote: When reading these consider that 84.3% of all statistical percentages are made up by the reporting source. I had heard that 92.418646515849423168743121654135% of all statistics are made up on the spot[;)]

cynnacent1 -> RE: freelance columnist trashes campus BDSM club (10/13/2004 6:47:57 AM)
i'm pretty sure i just read an article in which i found myself disagreeing with every point/opinion offered by the author other than the fact that i wouldn't want taxes supporting a college. No biggy really though as i am certain that author would not like me anyhow as i am 'one of those same-sex-marriage condoning wackos' who resides UP HERE in Massachusetts. [sm=tongue.gif] ... decided he is a goofy ass ignorant dummy very regardless, just based on his belief that ALL who enjoy BDSM are gay. [sm=lol.gif] --looks like soemone didn't do his homework in regard to the subject in question .... duh.

NoCalOwner -> RE: freelance columnist trashes campus BDSM club (10/13/2004 11:45:45 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Mercnbeth When reading these consider that 84.3% of all statistical percentages are made up by the reporting source. 90% of the tenured professors identify themselves as 'liberal'. This is a case where the second statement proves the first. The claim that 90% of college profs vote Democratic was posed by a guy named David Horowitz, who is on a campaign to get universities and colleges to use a quota system in hiring to ensure that half of all professors are politically right of center. His poll was intentionally skewed. For example, the number of engineering or "hard" science profs, nationwide, who he surveyed: zero. The 151 faculty polled were all from arts and humanities departments at a few, selected Ivy League schools. If you did the opposite of Horowitz, and surveyed only agriculture professors in South Carolina, you could make an equally spurious argument that 99% of professors are Republicans. At some other schools, without picking and choosing the faculty to study, some results have been: Texas Tech: 9 Democratic campaign contributors, 7 Republican Baylor University: 6 Rep, 2 Dem Mercer University: 7 Rep, 5 Dem Hillsdale College: 3 Rep, 0 Dem Regent University: 5 Rep, 0 Dem At UCLA, they surveyed their profs and found that 48% identified themselves as liberal or far left, 19% as conservative or far right, with the remainder in the middle. These sorts of figures are plausible and not surprising. Both coasts vote a bit to the left, as do most urban centers -- In Massachusetts, where most of Horowitz's survey was conducted, Gore + Nader beat Bush by a more than 2:1 margin. In Los Angeles County, it was Gore 64%, Bush 32%, Nader 4%. In San Francisco, Bush lost by a 5:1 margin, and only managed twice as many votes as Nader. People with post-graduate degrees do tend to vote left of average, but not overwhelmingly so. So if UCLA profs vote Democratic/Green by 2.5:1 in a city that votes Democratic/Green by 2.1:1, who can be surprised? If you don't want your kids exposed to leftish ideas, the answer's pretty simple: send 'em to CSU Merced, not CSU San Francisco.

Mercnbeth -> RE: freelance columnist trashes campus BDSM club (10/13/2004 11:57:45 AM)
Great information! Thanks! Maybe they identify as liberal, but vote with their pocketbook. Being a registered Pragmatist myself, I'm at a lose of WHY to vote, let alone WHO. We are now 30 years beyond the Jeffersonian model's need for a 2nd revolution. I'd vote for that if it was on the ballot. Merc

NoCalOwner -> RE: freelance columnist trashes campus BDSM club (10/13/2004 12:27:15 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Mercnbeth Great information! Thanks! Maybe they identify as liberal, but vote with their pocketbook. Thanks! I'm sure there's some truth to the pocketbook voting. Although Pennsylvania, including its college towns, tends to lean towards the Dems, Senator Specter (R) did pretty well at collecting contributions from university faculty, probably because he wants stem cell research and more funding for education. quote: Being a registered Pragmatist myself, I'm at a lose of WHY to vote, let alone WHO. We are now 30 years beyond the Jeffersonian model's need for a 2nd revolution. I'd vote for that if it was on the ballot. Yeah, sign me up, too! I'm so sick of political corruption and cronyism that I had my household get passports recently. Don't be surprised if you see me logging on from a different country next year.

Thanatosian -> RE: freelance columnist trashes campus BDSM club (10/15/2004 10:35:03 AM)
It may also be due to the fact that while Sen. Specter is registered as a republican, he tends to vote liberal democrat most of the time

IservBlkKingPaPa -> RE: freelance columnist trashes campus BDSM club (10/17/2004 2:20:50 PM)
this slave agrees with the monetary issues, but as far as the judgemental attitudes of the nilla world toward our world. They are hypocrits, not all this slave is sure, but many are. Hmmm interesting to, they are quite often "christians". Just an observation. @}PaPa's}slave}-- Every Rose has her Thorns...

Hawkins -> RE: freelance columnist trashes campus BDSM club (10/17/2004 3:38:07 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: RoughstringRider I have absolutely no intention of trying to force My Fundamentalist, Calvinist version of Christianity on anyone...... I'm just highly annoyed the holier than thou hypocrites drive so many away.... The whole principle of the faith is loving and accepting everyone as flawed humans, and then you get people claiming the faith, who trash everything they claim to believe, with their actions.... For all of y'all pushed away from Christianity by the jerks, I just want to apologize... y'all deserved better. Well said. I have had several devout Christian friends who have had a similarly, for want of a better word, 'Christian' viewpoint;' actually doing their best to imitate Jesus's attitudes as expressed in his life (as it's told in the Bible). It's the finger-pointers that make my teeth itch. I have a lot of respect for you attitude, but have to say personally, my life experience with religion (which I've 'a bit' of) isn't what ultimately lead me to cease being religious; I simply don't believe. Your Beliefs Are Not My Beliefs; but good for you. [:)] A particular expression of religious belief, founded upon a belief developed in a culture different to that which interprets it today, cannot be the ultimate way of determining right or wrong in modern society. To do so excludes some people from society and when you exclude people who 'do no harm' from society you actually end up harming it. Tolerance is the key. And we have to tolerate the people who make our teeth itch, even if they don't tolerate us; us I'll be damned if I play their game. The other key is making our responses to such intolerance highlight that, essentially, in matters of belief, what they are ultimately trying to do is force their opinion on others. It's not as though homosexuality or BDSM (practised in a consensual context) is 'harming' anyone engaging in it any more than, say, something inbetween stamp-collecting and dirt-bike riding. Say, as it is as harmful (give-or-take a wrap-round and assuming safer sex and equal number of partners) as heterosexuality. It's not harming innocent third parties. Factually speaking, there's no justifiable reason to legilate or lobby against it. Whilst people are entitled to their own opinion, they are not entitled to their own facts! [:D]

Nagatzhul -> RE: freelance columnist trashes campus BDSM club (10/27/2004 10:46:37 PM)
Sounds like some poor little sheltered writer got more education than they bargained for. Now if they had only gone to one of these events so they could REALLY report on it. How can you report on what you don't experience?

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