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rulemylife -> RE: The Real 'Torture' Disgrace (12/20/2008 9:06:11 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Sanity The cockpit doors were locked but they were threatening stewardesses with mere box cutters, and they actually began cutting the stewardesses up so that their screams would ensure that their demands for cockpit access would be met, and their tactics worked. And on the first jets the passengers just watched. You are stating a lot of suppositions here as being fact. Aside from the limited ATC communication and a few cell phone calls from passengers, we really don't know anything about what happened on those airplanes. To say the passengers "just sat there and watched" is an assumption that does disservice to the memory of those who died on those planes.

popeye1250 -> RE: The Real 'Torture' Disgrace (12/20/2008 11:06:29 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: kittinSol And when anyone captures one of your braves, they will have the perfect reason to torture them. I think it's a fantastic idea: fuck the Habeas Corpus and all that antiquated stuff. The Inquisition: now, those guys had it together, baby. Kittin, "torture them?" They Behead them! What are you talking about with that "Habeus Corpus" stuff? These aren't "police actions" they're Military actions. The Military doesn't "arrest" people. When you see that in the Press; "The Military "arrested" al qeada terrorists" it's not true that they were "arrested." I don't understand how people can try to make a military matter into a legal matter like the Military are supposed to be cops on a beat or something.

Lorr47 -> RE: The Real 'Torture' Disgrace (12/20/2008 2:38:07 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Owner59 How do we know "just" three guys were tortured?And how many times were "just three" tortured? One really can`t believe anything the conservatives put out or source. There`s the fact that nothing coming out of the bush admin. has any credibility. There`s the fact the bush has a bunch of payed-off reporter lackies, putting out non-sense and mis-info for others to repeat,quote and link to. There`s the fact that the Dept. of Justice is exactly the opposite. And there`s the fact that Cheney just admitted to approving torture. These guys don`t know it(neo-cons),but they`re giving our enemies excuses and rational to torture our GIs and us,in their quest to excuse themselves.Selfish brats. It`s the close to eight years of lawlessness,thievery and treason that`s got the neo-cons/republicans antsy and looking for outs. Think about it. Has there ever been criminals who admitted to their crimes or didn`t lie about them?Or when caught,didn`t make excuses or try to hide behind patriotism? I say ,tell it to a jury.Let them decide. We`ll let the constitution guide the way,finally. Havn't conservatives thought this out yet. Now, the liberals will use toys like the Patriot Act to get even. From conservatives' banking records, internet records to homes the conservatives are going to be searched mostly without a warrant. There may even be a pay internet site: Let's Search a Conservative $19.95.

Lorr47 -> RE: The Real 'Torture' Disgrace (12/20/2008 2:51:47 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Sanity No one was "tortured" and only three very high ranking al-Qaeda operatives were waterboarded. And we know this the same way you know to post about any of it. In other words, it's noteworthy that you're politically selective as to which parts of what has been reported to believe. After all, it was all reported by the same sources, and there has been Congressional testimony, and these men have lawyers... none of it is a secret, really. quote: How do we know "just" three guys were tortured?And how many times were "just three" tortured. Sanity, are you saying that you are not "politically selective." Also, are you saying that sworn Congressional Testimony from lawyers is truthful? I have examined transcripts of court testimony that are not even close to what was actually said. How do I know? I had tape recorded the testimony. Why do you think that they make it illegal to even tape record a court proceeding without permission. Judges and clerks want to know where they could be caught falsifying the written record if it becomes necessary. You cannot even dream as to the number of ways sworn testimony is falsified from the witness to the transcription. Best quote: Witness started testifying and prosecutor some five minutes later asked judge "shouldn't the witness be sworn"? The judge replied, "What difference would it make?"

hardbodysub -> RE: The Real 'Torture' Disgrace (12/20/2008 4:51:55 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Sanity No one was "tortured" and only three very high ranking al-Qaeda operatives were waterboarded. And we know this the same way you know to post about any of it. In other words, it's noteworthy that you're politically selective as to which parts of what has been reported to believe. After all, it was all reported by the same sources, and there has been Congressional testimony, and these men have lawyers... none of it is a secret, really. quote: How do we know "just" three guys were tortured?And how many times were "just three" tortured. News flash: Pot Calls Kettle Black!

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