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bestbabync -> RE: Advice on Bi State Restraining Orders (12/27/2008 9:01:25 PM)

Popeye, what can i say? the law was written to protect battered and abused victims.  it was not meant to be used improperly.  unfortunately this law does not protect a victim from the insane or evil perpetrators.  last year (i think it was during the christmas holiday) a woman was murdered/shot to death by her estranged husband while staying in a battered women's shelter in Wake County NC even though she had the Protective Order in place.  so nothing is full proof!




pahunkboy -> RE: Advice on Bi State Restraining Orders (12/28/2008 4:37:11 AM)

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ORIGINAL: popeye1250

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ORIGINAL: bestbabync

if the OP lives in NC all she needs to do is contact her local county Family Abuse Services.  They will assist her in obtaining a Chapter 50B Order of Protection at absolutely NO FEE!  this order is valid in all 50 states and territories including Indian Reservations.  the victim/complainant should always carry a copy of the order and file a copy with all local law enforcement agencies within you county of residence and place of employment. 
NO lawyer/attorney or money needed!


Well that's good to know.
Then, you invite the bastard over to the house to "discuss" matters and as soon as he walks in the door "Bam, Bam, Bam."
"Hey, he was violating a restraining order."



not so in PA.

by getting a PFA  the victim  may NOT  contact the other by any means. It is a 2 way street. In other words intentional disregard voids the order.     They charged a person over that not too long ago.

im not saying it wont happen...but the law is aware of game playing.... domestic fights are a dicey matter.   if someone  gets a PFA, then changes their mind- the proper way to go about it is to file the form to remove it.

...as I get older and see all these problems with relationships...it makes me think, that I am glad it is not me.

Anyhow- the OP should phone the local batterred womans shelter.  They know the ropes for that locale.  They see this type of thing all the time.




CalifChick -> RE: Advice on Bi State Restraining Orders (12/28/2008 9:37:53 AM)

And that is why "internet advice" can be so... useless, I guess.

The preprinted info on my restraining order (court order) against my ex specifically states that I cannot void the order.  It is NOT a two-way street.  Here is the exact paragraph:

If the Protected Person Contacts the Restrained Person.  Even if the protected person invites or consents to contact with the restrained person, the orders remain in effect and must be enforced.  The protected person cannot be arrested for inviting or consenting to contact with the restrained person.  The orders can be changed only by another court order. (Pen. Code Section 13710(b)).
 
By the way, for the person that said a temporary order is not enforceable outside of their own state, in California, temporary orders do follow the VAWA and ARE enforceable in other states, because the restrained person was served with the order.  Here is the exact wording of that paragraph on my court order for the TRO (no emphasis added; the bold text is on the original):

Certificate of Compliance With VAWA.  This temporary protective order meets all Full Faith and Credit requirements of the Violence Against Women Act, 18 USC Section 2265 (1994) (VAWA) upon notice of the restrained person.  This court has jurisdiction over the parties and the subject matter; the restrained person has been or will be afforded notice and a timely opportunity to be heard as provided by the laws of this jurisdiction. This order is valid and entitled to enforcement in each jurisdiction throughout the 50 United States, the District of Columbia, all tribal lands, and all U.S. territories, commonwealths, and possessions and shall be enforced as if it were an order of that jurisdiction.

For whoever said someone would not be arrested for violating the order, under the section that says "Instructions for Law Enforcement" on my court order for the TRO and for the permanent order (permanent in my case being one year), it says this:

Arrest Required if Order is Violated.  If an officer has probable cause to believe that the restrained person had notice of the order and has disobeyed the order, the officer must arrest the restrained person. (Penal Code sections 836(c)(1), 13701(b).)  A violation of the order may be a violation of Penal Code section 166 or 273.6.


Cali




bestbabync -> RE: Advice on Bi State Restraining Orders (12/29/2008 10:47:14 AM)

quote:

ORIGINAL: pahunkboy

quote:

ORIGINAL: popeye1250

quote:

ORIGINAL: bestbabync

if the OP lives in NC all she needs to do is contact her local county Family Abuse Services.  They will assist her in obtaining a Chapter 50B Order of Protection at absolutely NO FEE!  this order is valid in all 50 states and territories including Indian Reservations.  the victim/complainant should always carry a copy of the order and file a copy with all local law enforcement agencies within you county of residence and place of employment. 
NO lawyer/attorney or money needed!


Well that's good to know.
Then, you invite the bastard over to the house to "discuss" matters and as soon as he walks in the door "Bam, Bam, Bam."
"Hey, he was violating a restraining order."



not so in PA.

by getting a PFA  the victim  may NOT  contact the other by any means. It is a 2 way street. In other words intentional disregard voids the order.     They charged a person over that not too long ago.

im not saying it wont happen...but the law is aware of game playing.... domestic fights are a dicey matter.   if someone  gets a PFA, then changes their mind- the proper way to go about it is to file the form to remove it.

...as I get older and see all these problems with relationships...it makes me think, that I am glad it is not me.

Anyhow- the OP should phone the local batterred womans shelter.  They know the ropes for that locale.  They see this type of thing all the time.



well i never stated in my post that the complainant contacting the defendant in NC was allowable.  it is not!  both parties are held to the Chapter 50B regs. DUH!




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