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MisterP61 -> RE: The Arrogance behind dominants (1/6/2009 10:28:01 PM)

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Jaz says
Who on earth told you not to be arrogant or superior???



Steve,  As I do respect Your choice to use caps for Jaz and You because it works for You.  However, keep in mind that others use it to show who is in which position.  I personally think it a wonderful thing.  I do not see My self as arrogant or superior, just the One who makes the rules about certain things.  Just saying My [sm=2cents.gif] worth.  Take it as You will.

MrP




allthatjaz -> RE: The Arrogance behind dominants (1/7/2009 5:09:12 AM)

The very first post I wrote to these forums when I came back after a couple of years break was a reasonable, or so I thought question. People came back and gave me reasonable and well thought out answers all except for one guy who just wrote.
'Duh are you just a total idiot?'
That kind of remark is what I regard as arrogant. It is said with no other intention but to insult and get to the person it is directed at.
Personally I would never be attracted to anyone who stooped to that kind of level of arrogance for the simple reason that I don't like rude men and a rude man does not in anyway equal dominance, it equals egg head.




colouredin -> RE: The Arrogance behind dominants (1/7/2009 5:10:48 AM)

Thats not arrogance really, thats just petty nastyness.




M4STER -> RE: The Arrogance behind dominants (1/7/2009 6:55:18 AM)

Arrogance does not equal dominance. It seems to me that so many here are mixing concepts and definitions left and right. If you think long and hard about arrogance, you will see that it is a balloon of power that can be popped by anyone who dares to challenge the arrogant one. I often meet power players who appear very arrogant, when I get to know them they usually drop the mask of arrogance and show the best side of them. So why did they display arrogance in the first place, that's because when they were presenting themselves and making known in the group of people, they showed this self proclaimed status of superiority. It is a balloon of self proclaimed power that usually deflates or can easily be popped when challenged. Many times based on fear, if you are insecure in a group of people, appearing arrogant can give you respect from those that are submissive in nature or tend to get attracted to arrogance.




IronBear -> RE: The Arrogance behind dominants (1/7/2009 7:50:52 AM)

The "Duh are you just a total idiot?'' comment doesn't show arrogancre but it does show; rudeness, ignorance and small mindedness. 




LaTigresse -> RE: The Arrogance behind dominants (1/7/2009 7:53:10 AM)

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ORIGINAL: KnightofMists

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ORIGINAL: LaTigresse

Oh, and to settle the asshole argument, consider it a generic pet name for all you guuuuyyys I cannot help but kinda like. So there.



I am thinking it is rather arrogant of you to have a generic pet name for all us when we are all arrogantly unique assholes!!!


[:D]

And, I agree with IB........as I often do.




lusciouslips19 -> RE: The Arrogance behind dominants (1/7/2009 8:03:12 AM)


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ORIGINAL: LaTigresse

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ORIGINAL: KnightofMists

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ORIGINAL: LaTigresse

Oh, and to settle the asshole argument, consider it a generic pet name for all you guuuuyyys I cannot help but kinda like. So there.



I am thinking it is rather arrogant of you to have a generic pet name for all us when we are all arrogantly unique assholes!!!


[:D]

And, I agree with IB........as I often do.



Arrogance when not mixed with nastiness is quite the turn on. But Knight, you cant have ALL the women so I must be moving along to other assholes.[:D]




Dnomyar -> RE: The Arrogance behind dominants (1/7/2009 8:23:26 AM)

I resent that unless I am bending over in front of you.




Coldwarrior57 -> RE: The Arrogance behind dominants (1/7/2009 8:30:40 AM)

This is a pet peeve of mine, has been for many years.
Some where some how , some  people began to believe that when you are  a “Dom/Master”
you  have the right to be RUDE, Nasty , inconsiderate of others or to have a complete LACK of a sense of humor.
To me anyone that believes being a Dom/Master is to be completely devoid of common courtesy
Or the ability to laugh especially at ones self , has watched way too much TV.




Dnomyar -> RE: The Arrogance behind dominants (1/7/2009 8:57:48 AM)

It is not TV anymore. Computers are to blame now.




lusciouslips19 -> RE: The Arrogance behind dominants (1/7/2009 9:04:12 AM)




http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=phzjzh-38AQ




roland23 -> RE: The Arrogance behind dominants (1/7/2009 9:33:56 AM)

Some doms are arrogant, but I have also met MANY arrogant subs! 




allthatjaz -> RE: The Arrogance behind dominants (1/7/2009 9:44:13 AM)

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ORIGINAL: IronBear

The "Duh are you just a total idiot?'' comment doesn't show arrogancre but it does show; rudeness, ignorance and small mindedness. 



Excessive arrogance defined means 'shaming and humiliating ' those they consider a victim.




IronBear -> RE: The Arrogance behind dominants (1/7/2009 10:29:40 AM)

Aye and it is cowardly too.. 




NorthernGent -> RE: The Arrogance behind dominants (1/7/2009 12:17:38 PM)

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ORIGINAL: marie2

Speaking of arrogance....



This is why I like you so much, Marie......forever keeping me on the straight and narrow by pointing out where I'm going wrong.....

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ORIGINAL: marie2

Most of the time it's dick in ass.



If you feel you need a spell out of action from time to time, I can let you have Sunday off.......though there's no use in trying to negotiate Friday (after a week at work I need to let off a bit of steam)......




Padriag -> RE: The Arrogance behind dominants (1/7/2009 12:32:50 PM)

I'm not sure if I can do justice to the concept.  But there are different "kinds" of arrogance in the broad spectrum of human behavior.  There is a time and a place for arrogance, as with most things (just as there is a time for love and also a time for hate, a time to forgive and a time for anger).  I think often the problem is not arrogance itself, but arrogance when it is not appropriate or to whom it is not appropriate.  Earlier I offered a simple parable that I don't think was fully understood, so I'll try restating it in more literal terms.

Imagine if you will the owner of a corporation, a wealthy and powerful business owner who wields a great deal of influence.  Now also imagine a guy who works for the same corporation... in the mail room.  Picture the corporate owner, dressed in a nice business suit, neatly groomed... he enters a room filled with people.  He shakes hands and greats business associates and employees alike... but there is a cool arrogance about him, a slight disdain... he's their superior and they treat him with a degree of deference that he expects... even insists on.  Now imagine the mail room worker enters the same room, he's dress in blue jeans, a t shirt, his hair is a little out of place... he tries the same cool arrogance, the same disdain... but rather than being given that deference he's mocked and treated with annoyance.  It isn't hard to imagine, we can easily see the business owner's cool arrogance and sense of superiority being accepted... but we can just as easily imagine the mail room worker being treated with annoyance and derision for the same behavior.  Why?  Because in our society we accord rights and privileges to some that we do not to others.  In society, a business owner who has become wealthy and powerful is believed to be entitled to that deference.  A mail room worker is a nobody, they have not achieved as much in life and so that arrogance seems very inappropriate.

The same applies here in these forums.  I and some other dominants here get away with a degree of arrogance regularly and are even at times applauded for it... why?  Because we are regulars who have frequently contributed to the forums, who have demonstrated knowledge and wisdom, who have provided something of value to this online community.... and for that, we are accorded special treatment that another dominant posting for the first time will not receive... they haven't earned it yet.

Yet even among this "elite" group of forum members... there is a limit, a line not to be crossed.  There are times when we must reign in that arrogance and show humility, compassion, understanding, tolerance, and forgiveness.  For those of us that do so, who know when and how to respond appropriately, we are accorded still more respect.  What is more, when our arrogance... that unbridled self confidence that comes boiling out of us... is once again on display, it is transformed into something else... it becomes a noble quality.

That is in part because we can be compassionate, we can be humble.  It is also because we can demonstrate that most humane of qualities... sparing someone shame... and that too is noble.

The lesson in all this is that the question of arrogance in dominants is not a simple matter.  In one person it will be seen as inappropriate, while in another it can become a noble quality.  The reasons why are varied, but often involve the perception of how much the person has achieved, what they have accomplished, whether they have earned a right to that arrogance.  Their overall character and their ability to be more than just arrogant... and at the right times, also figures into this prominently.  But most importantly, it is always a question of knowing when a behavior is appropriate and when it is not... and for those who master that, much is given.




penandknife -> RE: The Arrogance behind dominants (1/7/2009 12:40:19 PM)

That's a pretty good example, Padraig.  It made me stop and consider my own behavior, and ... yeah.  The more I've taken on my own life, and the more I've settled in as the owner of a business, the more casually arrogant my behavior has become.  It's certainly not due to any material gain... it's power, pure and simple, and even though I'd be the first to acknowledge that the authority I hold in my job also means I have an equally large set of responsibilities, I can't exactly deny that it's effected me a little.  I can't even say that it's a "better-than-you" thing... more like a deep satisfaction in what I've accomplished with a measure of, well, demand of respect for those accomplishments.

*giggle*  Thanks, now I'm going to be navel-gazing the rest of the day, wondering if I'm a bad person and if it's such a terrible thing if I'm a bad person.




LaTigresse -> RE: The Arrogance behind dominants (1/7/2009 1:09:23 PM)

Padriag you arrogant bugger! You've explained perfectly, what I've been trying to find words to get out.




Padriag -> RE: The Arrogance behind dominants (1/7/2009 1:10:50 PM)

I don't think it makes you a bad person.  I think it means you are behaving in a way that indicates the authority and power you possess and have earned... and thus it is appropriate.  Nietzsche would have said you are behaving nobly for whatever that may be worth to you.




Padriag -> RE: The Arrogance behind dominants (1/7/2009 1:12:43 PM)

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ORIGINAL: LaTigresse

Padriag you arrogant bugger! You've explained perfectly, what I've been trying to find words to get out.

:: with a grandious flourish doffs his cap and bows ::
Why thank you... merely living up to my reputation of course. [;)]




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