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RE: Domme/sub relationship difficulties - 1/4/2006 12:29:32 PM   
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It's in the "Ask a Mistress" forum... "Need Advice- I'm Stuck and New"
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It appears that both of you have chosesn to air your issues between you here on the boards---IMHO, very immature on both of your parts--it is, as has been stated a he said, she said--I withhold any advice or comment other than grow up both of you, deal with the issues between you, not here.


i seem to be missing "her" posts?



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RE: Domme/sub relationship difficulties - 1/4/2006 12:31:55 PM   
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I'm going to ask you just one question, for you to think about. Your FEELINGS aside... are you ever going to be able to trust this woman again?

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ORIGINAL: harpomrx
I'm going through some difficulties, and I'm hoping somebody can help me through the moment.
Doesn't anybody have any thoughts?



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RE: Domme/sub relationship difficulties - 1/4/2006 12:43:00 PM   
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Run Forrest....Run.

You sound like a very sincere and honest guy, who knows what he wants and is looking for. I can not say that about you Miss.......sorry.
Love does overcome many obstacles, but it sounds to me like there is some dishonesty going on and I'm not pointing at you.

I would persue other interest and I will bet, that you will have some interested Dommes contacting you.

Good luck and thanks for making my day. I thought I had it bad!

Peace, Kevin

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RE: Domme/sub relationship difficulties - 1/4/2006 12:49:04 PM   
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Am I the only one who thinks Miss sounds like a sub in Dommes clothing?

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RE: Domme/sub relationship difficulties - 1/4/2006 1:03:24 PM   
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I'd go a little farther than that, and say she sounds like an abuser in Domme's clothing.

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Am I the only one who thinks Miss sounds like a sub in Dommes clothing?



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RE: Domme/sub relationship difficulties - 1/4/2006 1:05:50 PM   
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I'd go a little farther than that, and say she sounds like an abuser in Domme's clothing.

I think throwing the A word around is too heavy for what has happened so far.

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RE: Domme/sub relationship difficulties - 1/4/2006 1:51:15 PM   
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ok. I'm now up to speed and have read both forums regarding this topic. Honesty is the great equalizer to me, and while none of us will know who really said what, I firmly feel that if a person will lie about the little stuff they will lie about the big and that any relationship founded on lies, be them of ommission or outright is destined to fail.

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RE: Domme/sub relationship difficulties - 1/4/2006 2:10:22 PM   
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Yes, possibly... but she abused his trust, if nothing else. And it wasn't anything insignificant about that.. hello? herpes, anyone? AT least she should have told him BEFORE and allowed him the choice to play or take precautions.

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ORIGINAL: LadyMorgynn
I'd go a little farther than that, and say she sounds like an abuser in Domme's clothing.

I think throwing the A word around is too heavy for what has happened so far.



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RE: Domme/sub relationship difficulties - 1/4/2006 3:32:39 PM   
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First, I'd like to say it's been an interesting experience to read the perspectives from both sides. All I can think to say is you both are sincere from your own positions but appear not to be on the same page for reasons unique to each of you. In short, it looks like a rocky road ahead if you decide to continue (with a lot of sorting out to do). If you manage to navigate through all that, you will most likely be stronger and more appreciative of each other when it's all said and done. Only each of you can decide for yourselves if it looks like the thing to do.

Best of luck.

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RE: Domme/sub relationship difficulties - 1/4/2006 3:58:32 PM   
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quote:

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Are you certain that you are being honest with yourself about the drive time and the feelings this causes you? Gladly? To me it seems as though you want to not have a problem with it, but that it in fact it is causing a resentment to build within you. You might want to take a hard look at if you are in fact willing to do the driving, willing to be in a LD relationship at all.


We discussed the issue at lenght, and I could not have made my position plainer. Whether or not it is something she should take into consideration is her decision, not mine.




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I have tried to follow her lead and be the kind of sub she wants
Hmmmm, Yoda said it best, Do or Do Not ... There is no Try! I would suggest that you either surrender to her will, and get your focus onto how grateful you are that she found you and is in your life, or you do not.


Despite the fact that I don't subscribe to Yoda's dime-store philosophy and its false dichotomy, there is much to what you say. I do need to focus more on her - you're absolutely right.

I
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do need to say one more thing. This is from the man in me, and not the sub. I think the fact that you would openly discuss something like your Domme/Lovers/Wife/GF's sexual medical issues is highly questionable. (Just edited this part of my post out of a desire to be kind). In my humble opinion you may wish to think about editing that post and pray that she did not in fact see it before you do. I simply cannot understand ones motivation in posting such things in a public forum. This, IMHO is not a very loving way to love someone.


I understand your sentiments, but please understand that she is the one who was very explicit about it in her profile on this website, and she was the one who initially raised the issue. As far as my posting it in a public forum, I have to say that I find this whole business extremely unpleasant - I am an extremely private person by nature. But Miss directed me to discuss things with other subs, so here I am. I don't know how else to proceed except to tell my story as I see it.

Thanks for your thoughts.

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RE: Domme/sub relationship difficulties - 1/4/2006 4:10:10 PM   
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RumpusParable,

What's this about 80% to 90% of the population having one or both of the the herpes simplex strains? Are these real statistics?

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RE: Domme/sub relationship difficulties - 1/4/2006 4:25:51 PM   
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quote:

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RumpusParable,

What's this about 80% to 90% of the population having one or both of the the herpes simplex strains? Are these real statistics?

Tristan


I believe it's 80% have the oral strain (cold sores, fever blisters). Google produces plenty of info.

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RE: Domme/sub relationship difficulties - 1/4/2006 4:51:24 PM   
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I just read through these posts and found Miss's thread in another forum.

I am numb with shock.

We last saw each other New Year's Eve, and we parted with hugs and affection. The following morning, Sunday, we had a very amiable online chat. I had absolutely no clue that she was this furious, this enraged at me. If she gave any indication, I missed it entirely.

I'm devastated. I don't know what to do or what to say. I honestly thought we were developing mutual love, and looked forward to an ever-deepening relationship of which bdsm was a strong and mutually rewarding component.

Now - now I can't think. At all. I'm shattered. And it is particularly painful to have it all aired in public this way. Truly painful.

I will not be posting to this thread anymore. I am going back to being the very private person I was until a couple of days ago.

Thank you all for your kind words and wisdom.

harpo

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RE: Domme/sub relationship difficulties - 1/5/2006 4:59:01 AM   
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This was an unfortunate incident, seldom do we see both posting at the same time--but it shows a deep level of total miscommunications--but you knew before you wrote it what you needed to do--and if as you say, you only licked through panties, you, I am sure have done the research--you don't have STD--but the fact that you asked lends us to believe there was more involved---IMHO, she led you on--but you went willingly--

deal with it and move on---I also see from the quote "I thought we were building a very strong personal relationship, of which bdsm was one beautiful aspect" One wonders if this had hopes of vanilla--

Expectations were a tad skewed----you sound like a Dom and she sounds more like a submissive---self examination may be in order as well--


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RE: Domme/sub relationship difficulties - 1/5/2006 7:54:22 AM   
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Well,
First of all, you didn't say whether you've had sex with her outside of that one incident of licking her through her panties.
If not, then you're ok. Herpes is transmitted only thru skin to skin contact.
But my real concern lies with the fact she made a point to tell you she tested negative for STDs.
She didn't just omit something, she flat out lied.
Not telling until the relationship is a bit more secure -- as long as in the interim she isn't having sex with you -- is understandable. But to flat out lie is a horrible way to begin any relationship, vanilla or D/s.
Then to banish you without making it clear what you did wrong is also an issue I'd have concerns with.
I'd think twice about a relationship with this woman.

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RE: Domme/sub relationship difficulties - 1/5/2006 9:02:25 AM   
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(Random fact in relation to the 80/90% fact. Most people who have herpes have no idea they have it, and are never affected by it. I have oral herpes. Most of us get it in elementary school. They don't even -tell- you you have oral herpes on an STD test. You have to have genital herpes [ simplex II ] for them to inform you have it.)

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RE: Domme/sub relationship difficulties - 1/5/2006 12:01:35 PM   
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Hello A/all and Peace!

:) I am going to attempt to clear some things up for all of you that participated in either discussion. IF you will kindly read My thread, I DO acknowledge that there are THREE sides to every story...Mine, the other, and the TRUTH. Honesty is such a bitch-goddess, isn't She??? :)

In any case, I want ALL to know that I modified a couple of things on My profile and they STILL stand. First, the seeking female dominants to develop TRUST and discuss JUST such intimate matters with; and secondly, I added an excerpt about how freaking UNREALISTIC it is to expect anyone that has had tactile or sexual intercourse to be of NO risk. Also, take a closer look at My profile journal and realize that I do NOT claim to have a long line of EXPERIENCE, but KNOWLEDGE. I really do. I didn't change that. Look at My join date (there IS a join date, right?) and look at what I wrote in My journal, please ? Also, this sub got to meet another good kinky friend, My masseuse of a few months who offered himself as human furniture to Me and carried Me around like transportation. It was a fun relationship, but no real bdsm intimacy. As a matter of fact, I'm trying now to contact My sub male friend of 10 years so he and My sub and I can have a nice face-to-face. Only trouble is, he lives with My ex-best friend. I don't think I want to contact My old 'domme' friend as she is bi-sexual and didn't respect My limits, but tried to 'domme' Me. Uhhh, THOSE are the kind of dommes I would run the heck away from. And I did :) .

This experience brought those in this community that TRULY CARED out of the woodwork to private message us. And for this, I am grateful.

Maybe My approach was unconventional or 'wrong' in some people's eyes. What I care about is the outcome and the lesson. All will be well. I'm learning, he's learning. *sigh*

OK, now anyone who has ANY D/s SM OR BD experience will KNOW that it's intense, right? How much MORESO for newbies like us? I knew BEFOREhand the potential for emotional harm on both our parts. I judged we (especially I) NEEDED the two weeks, but, hey, I'm new to PRACTICE...and we adjusted that because he REALLY needed to get affirmation that the two weeks was for us to re-group, NOT AS PUNISHMENT. I mentioned it in the car on the way home. I again said it on the phone (and yes, I was emotional...and really NEEDED that time after that intense prodomme experience). I said it on My thread. *sigh* I only contacted him after Aakasha so lovingly pointed out his thread that I KNEW we had to chat.

I'm going to say something else....not in defense or attack or anything but LOVE. I have NO desire to be prodomme. That does NOT mean that I can't learn a thing or two about technique and tips now, does it? Now, I had a darned good REASON for asking this man to ask the pro for an email address, even though it was on her website. I wanted to approach her as a life/style domme within some really good bdsm manners...a dominant WOMAN-to WOMAN thing...She is also life/style, you see. And with Her...I could bring up the HSV and trust issues, because I know he trusts Her, and I met Her and respect Her as a life/style, a person, a woman and I trusted Her with him as he did and all that..... OK, so I ALSO emailed Her and asked Her for guidance on residual feelings, emotions, issues, as bdsm IS INTENSE. I do NOT want to hurt the sub...EVER.

As soon as I found out about the two threads (thanks AAkasha for pointing out that it 'may be slander') I put a STOP to it IMMEDIATELY.

Now, please, take into account some facts:

1. BOTH he and I are NEW to life/style D/s relationships.

2. I admitted HONESTLY to him and to you all on My profile that I got tested recently for STD's and came out CLEAN. Would anyone care for Me to fax results? I HONESTLY explained to this man and explain to you all that I have NOT had an outbreak for three years. Doesn't mean I didn't have an experience with it or don't have it. When the time was RIGHT I explained HOW I got it when I was 17, too. I'm 41. I try to take excellent care of My health and understand that he has that same responsibility. This particular fellow is, um, sensitive to violence against women, right? It was VERY difficult to tell him what I told him. I will NOT minimize the issue that it breached trust. I WILL say that WE are seeking KIND advice from true bdsm LIFESTYLE couples, dominants and submissives who care and we would welcome private mails from here on out.

3. I did NOT have sexual intercourse with this man, nor did I consciously NOT take precautions or decide to NOT remain abstinent from intercourse UNTIL I had told him of My circumstances of contracting the dreaded HSVII---of which 72% of our military base personnel where I live near have it-- and that's according to statistics from some people I contacted IMMEDIATELY that were in the local HSV support group on the base (it no longer exists there)--- which I am consulting about the tactile concerns. Um, I'm still abstinent, and if you REALLY want to know how long it's been for Me, ask Me RESPECTFULLY in private. Um, he still has the decision and freedom to say, "No, Miss, I don't want to go forward."

4. The two week issue was CLEARLY stated VERBALLY twice.....NOT as punishment, but as a breather, as I felt an intense need to consult a TRUSTED female dominant on some of the residual issues about My experience, feelings AND the breach of trust that would tear apart ANY relationship, kink or not. Takes a while to TRUST someone. I know realistically two weeks isn't enough, but, I figured two weeks is a good time frame for the session/life/styler to get in touch with Me if She wants to.

5. My fears are the tactile results of HSVII and NOT HSVI, which I do NOT have. I CLEARLY explained this to the sub here and provided him addresses and phone numbers of STD support groups in his area the SAME night he drove Me home.

6. It was NOT My intent for anyone here to get hurt and I sincerely did NOT know that this man I am seeing was posting in another thread. Neither he nor I like 'he-said /she-said" bullcrap, but he was ONLY doing what I told him to do, by any means he felt necessary. I guess this was it and that's ok and I'm PROUD of him for reaching out.

7. It's been a GREAT learning experience for us BOTH. Learning IS painful and have to tell you, I feel naked and strapped to a rack. :) And I'm pretty sure he does, too.

8. If you look at the other thread, I am having some difficulties with this man in paying attention to detail. (To My sub: there is no shame here, dear....just a fact, it's okay..WE know our challenges.) Heck, I'm lucky sometimes if I don't put the milk in cupboard.

9. I shall NOT bring out other reasons that we may be having difficulties as it is CLEAR that some of the 'help' on this forum is only interested in the juicy bits of gossip, not the TRUE caring bdsm honesty and manner in which we BOTH approach our relationship.

Hey, really..PEACE to A/all ...and the BEST for the New Year in every endeavor.

DommeBMFS

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RE: Domme/sub relationship difficulties - 1/5/2006 2:03:15 PM   
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8. If you look at the other thread, I am having some difficulties with this man in paying attention to detail.


Difficulties? Clearly, this is true, but I'm thinking that I'm not the only one that thinks that your initial quite deliberate omission of a potentially contagious disease sort of trumps the idea that he brought you chocolates when you didn't ask for them.

K

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RE: Domme/sub relationship difficulties - 1/5/2006 4:23:14 PM   
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You certainly don't know much about HSV. A little online investigation may help; 5 minutes after googling "hsv ii" you can get the following information: It is VERY contagious, and you do NOT have to be having an outbreak to pass it on. There is no cure to make it "go away" ...you will always have it, regardless of how long it's been since you've last had an outbreak... and you don't always necessarily know when you are having an outbreak, because it's not always symptomatic.

I find it a pathetic ploy for sympathy to tell how you (poor thing) acquired it at the tender age of only 17 and how you're now 41 and, presumably, more responsible. Allowing him ANY sexual contact (hello! including oral) without warning him first is criminally and unforgiveably irresponsible, so you might as well save your breath trying to convince us how responsible you are. We have already seen that. I find that the statment of figures/statistics of how many people in your area have HSVII to be additionally distasteful (in your context of self-exculpation), and completely irrelevant to the situation anyway. You should not have exposed 1 more to be added to the numbers without his foreknowledge and explicit consent.

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2. I admitted HONESTLY to him and to you all on My profile that I got tested recently for STD's and came out CLEAN. Would anyone care for Me to fax results? I HONESTLY explained to this man and explain to you all that I have NOT had an outbreak for three years. Doesn't mean I didn't have an experience with it or don't have it. When the time was RIGHT I explained HOW I got it when I was 17, too. I'm 41. I try to take excellent care of My health and understand that he has that same responsibility. This particular fellow is, um, sensitive to violence against women, right? It was VERY difficult to tell him what I told him. I will NOT minimize the issue that it breached trust. I WILL say that WE are seeking KIND advice from true bdsm LIFESTYLE couples, dominants and submissives who care and we would welcome private mails from here on out.



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RE: Domme/sub relationship difficulties - 1/5/2006 4:31:49 PM   
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That might be because you don't want him reading here the quantities advice posted, which is overwhelmingly sending a clear message: Get AWAY from this woman. I'm thinking you'd rather limit him to PM's (possibly screened by yourself?) so you can control his access to advice running contrary to your wishes.

I personally think he should run for the hills. BDSM has, at its core, honesty, communication and trust. In a word, Integrity. Without that foundation, submission would be impossible. It's pretty clear you possess none of the above attributes.

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ORIGINAL: DommeBMFS
I WILL say that WE are seeking KIND advice from true bdsm LIFESTYLE couples, dominants and submissives who care and we would welcome private mails from here on out.



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