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JustDarkness -> RE: Political Correctness & the Wonderful World of Kink (1/5/2009 10:26:31 AM)


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ORIGINAL: NecesitesMe

Right you are.  As a white male in the south (professional not a redneck), nothing would be hotter than to have a black female sex slave. 

I mean come on.  Think about it.  How taboo and hot is that for both male and female. 

Any hottie black girls  in Atlanta wanna play plantation? 




I am not from the US but I couldn't connect the "professional not a redneck"with the remark "play plantage"




FullfigRIMAAM1 -> RE: Political Correctness & the Wonderful World of Kink (1/5/2009 10:52:08 AM)

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ORIGINAL: JustDarkness
I am curious (and not sure if it fits in) about the White D's wanting a black/afro american/coloured s.
I know it is a touchy subject...but I see it often mentioned in profiles.
There is nothing politically incorrect about stating what type you are attracted to in your profile (as long as you're not saying anything inappropriate/derogatory about anyone else in the process)... The only care you should take is to avoid trying to approach someone who is the exact opposite, or very different as qualities go, as she may have noticed your profile. I have had black men stating in their profiles, that they seek caucasian, but emailing me; needless to say, that doesn't go over well.




sblady -> RE: Political Correctness & the Wonderful World of Kink (1/5/2009 11:13:57 AM)

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ORIGINAL: JustDarkness


I know sexy black-lady ;)
It is just the history crap by times..that would give me a guilty feeling.
So come live closer and help me solve it :P


That would be wonderful!!  [sm=friends.gif][sm=hearts.gif]




thetammyjo -> RE: Political Correctness & the Wonderful World of Kink (1/5/2009 11:46:05 AM)


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ORIGINAL: LuckyAlbatross

The problem with any extreme is that it loses the decent good germ of truth behind it.  We should watch what we say, we should be aware of how our words and actions affect others, and we should try to hold to the concept that everyone should be given a fair shot and to help others when they are down and try not to let the "old ways" stick around when they are harmful to others.

If people want to call all of that PC and throw it all away because some people get crazy and extreme with it, that's a shame.  But I'll still do it.


I agree.

I care how my words and actions affect others.

Sometimes I mean to hurt people and then I need to be able to stand up when I am attacked back or the person cries or whatever.

Most of the time I'm just trying to communicate and being respectful is a good first step toward communication.




FullfigRIMAAM1 -> RE: Political Correctness & the Wonderful World of Kink (1/5/2009 12:46:22 PM)

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ORIGINAL: JustDarkness
I am not from the US but I couldn't connect the "professional not a redneck"with the remark "play plantage"
Plantation has to do with white slave owners and black slaves in a plantation (not plantage), though in this case, he'
s referring to a fun, and consensual interracial relationship. Redneck is generally used to mean ignorant and from southern us, but for a more comprehensive description check here: http://www.freepublic.com/focus/f-news/1513279/posts
M




JustDarkness -> RE: Political Correctness & the Wonderful World of Kink (1/5/2009 1:11:53 PM)

ah ok
thank you




Aynne88 -> RE: Political Correctness & the Wonderful World of Kink (1/5/2009 1:17:05 PM)

 
How silly and childish. I always hold the door for both genders, and especially older folks. I cannot imagine not warmly thanking someone that was courteous enough in this day and age to be so gracious. I really do wonder what has become of common and decent behaviors, especially in public.


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ORIGINAL: beargonewild

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ORIGINAL: OmegaG

I have never understood why some women choose to get their knickers in a twist when a man opens a door for them-- especially when the man is a stranger.  Of course if a woman requested that you never open a door for them and you continue to do so, then that is as disrespectful to their wishes as  you feel not opening a door is.

Now, you calling me "lass" is unoffensive and kind of cute.  However I can think of many men that if they chose to address me in such a manner it would be nothing but condescending.

The main problem I have with PC jargon I think is that there is no room for individuality, the people who insist on it are working on the assumption that we can all assimilate to one way of thinking and that they can make all the problems go away with just mere turns of phrases.



I just wanted to point out that IronBear isn't the only one who has faced this problem. I find it quite amusing when I hold a door open for a woman, regardless of their age. I do get a look of disgust which says "how dare you open the door for me." I see this as being polite and courteous in the manner which my parents taught me.
  I can understand when being PC is needed and it has it place in certain situations. What I can't understand is this need to be completely PC every minute of the day. Though I do try to be relatively PC yet I also admit that half the time I am not. When I find I am in a situation where I'm not, the other person will correct me and state their preference and that is what I abide by. When it comes to using the correct term to describe a person by skin color, I will ask what they prefer. Each person has their own definition of what they want used and try to be guided by that. Sometimes it isn't possible though I deal with that issue as it happens.





Jeptha -> RE: Political Correctness & the Wonderful World of Kink (1/5/2009 1:35:25 PM)

My problem with PCness was more a matter of time and place.
I was coming of age on a liberal college campus back when political correctness was in perhaps one of its most virulant stages. The pendulum had swung to one end and stuck there for a bit.

While much of the impetus for change was coming from a good place, there was a good deal of intolerance on every side. In fact, sometimes I wonder if that was one strategy employed; to match a perceived intolerance with an equal or greater (or more righteous) one.




Vendaval -> RE: Political Correctness & the Wonderful World of Kink (1/5/2009 3:12:30 PM)

I do not understand her point with these terms because slave, submissive and servant are all gender neutral.  She is being too particular about the terminology.

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ORIGINAL: IronBear
Recently I had a conversation with a long time acquaintance who is the epitome of Political Correctness in which she was adamant I must not refer to servants as such but as either serving persons or male servants and female servants. On the same vein she believed it was incorrect to refer to sub/slaves as such but to refer to them as male or female slaves and male or female submissives.




Vendaval -> RE: Political Correctness & the Wonderful World of Kink (1/5/2009 3:21:03 PM)

If someone is elderly, has youngsters with them, is struggling with packages, etc. by all means open the door for them.  I hold the door for anyone coming in behind me unless my hands are full as can happen when escorting mum around. 


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ORIGINAL: kittinSol
How idiotic of these women to be offended by kindness and civility. Besides... opening doors for others shouldn't be dependent upon the gender of the door opener. Women have hands too.




E2Sweet -> RE: Political Correctness & the Wonderful World of Kink (1/5/2009 3:37:03 PM)

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ORIGINAL: IronBear
...Recently I had a conversation with a long time acquaintance who is the epitome of Political Correctness in which she was adamant I must not refer to servants as such but as either serving persons or male servants and female servants. On the same vein she believed it was incorrect to refer to sub/slaves as such but to refer to them as male or female slaves and male or female submissives...


Well in her house, with her submissive types, I suppose she can insist everyone refer to others any way she sees fit.

The woman I currently serve dictates the rules in her home and anyone taking up the PC cause there is pretty much overruled and out of luck from the get-go... Considering how smoothly the house runs and how fairly I feel I'm treated, I don't have a complaint in the world. Words are just words... There are more important things to focus on than PCness. It can be such a buzz-kill sometimes...






susie -> RE: Political Correctness & the Wonderful World of Kink (1/5/2009 3:37:56 PM)

FR

The problem with PC is that people are taking it way too far. In the UK the childrens nursery rhyme Ba Ba Black Sheep was banned in a number of schools in case it upset the black children in the classes. The only people that were making that association were the stuffed shirts trying to show how good and PC they were.

The manhole contest shows how ridiculous these things can get.




DesFIP -> RE: Political Correctness & the Wonderful World of Kink (1/5/2009 4:46:39 PM)

I appreciate political correctness. Because in the good old days before it I had been called a kike and a hebe before I hit double digits. Yeah, I really appreciated being threatened by punk adolescents nearly twice my age of differing racial and ethnic backgrounds. Not.

The incredible thing to me is that my oldest didn't have anyone ever use such an epithet on her until her freshman year of college at which point she had to ask me what it meant since she had never heard the term. So I'm pro PC all the way. Those of you who are of the majority race/religion/ethnic background/skin color/gender identification/gender orientation in your neighborhoods don't know what it's like to be attacked for being different. Count yourselves lucky and maybe think about the many times you've referred to someone else by a less than flattering name.




tsatske -> RE: Political Correctness & the Wonderful World of Kink (1/5/2009 5:01:55 PM)

celeste,
I am pretty much majority race and esp. skin color, but I still get tired of people whining about PC. Whining about how 'unfair' it is not to be able to - to what? be blatentantly rude?
I get it when some idjit tries to legilate it into law. In a country with free speach, free speach is going to include rude and unacceptable speach. But just because it needs to be legeal does not mean I need to accept it. There are more ways to control things than just legislate them.
I can join with a lot of like minded people who make it clear we find you (generic you) a person of foul odor, if you use such terms or behavoir. If, as such people generally spout, they don't care what other people think, then this will have no ill effect on them.
Overall, however, it has the effect of slowly changing society.
I personally find I am able to withstand being treated like I have a foul odor - in other words, I guess I really DON'T care what people I don't know from Sam Adams think - WHEN, and generally ONLY WHEN, I feel right. When I don't feel strongly about my behavoir one way or another, then having it offend others will make me reflect on it, and, if I feel I am wrong, after such reflection, then my behavoir generally changes.
People who are 'tired of PC' generally don't want to have to go to the trouble of reflecting, often because they have cracked their mirror and it hurts their head.
I am also more than tired of the attitude of 'why shouldn't I be able to call a K--- a K--- (see above for refrence), or an N___ an N___? *I* never owned a slave!"
My Father is barely into his fifties. He happens to be white, but, in general, men his age, who are Black, and who lived in the south, can personally remeber being over the age of 5 and being downtown shopping and being caught 6 to 8 blocks or more from a bathroom where a Black child was allowed to go, and pissing their pants. Not thier great grandparents - personal memory. My father can remeber when there wasn't a resteraunt in town where a Black could sit down, although all the best resteraunts had ONLY blacks for servers.
My ex-Master wrote me crying after the election results, to remind me that he remebers walking down the street in the South and watching Black men step off the sidewalk, onto the street, to clear the way for a white man walking down the street. Personal memory.
This is not about our great grandfathers. It is, however, about your Daughter, who didn't know the meaning of that word - and your grandchildren, who Godwilling, will not only not knwo the meaning, but will never have cause to ask.




DesFIP -> RE: Political Correctness & the Wonderful World of Kink (1/5/2009 5:15:46 PM)

tsatske, being nearly 54 I do remember the days before the 1964 Civil Rights Act. I remember going to Miami FL one year for the winter break to visit my grandparents, and my parents were so excited to buy tickets to Sammy Davis Jr's show for New Year's. He was married to a white woman at the time and the sheriff of Miami Beach announced his intention of arresting one of America's top entertainers because the Florida laws at that time prohibited sex or marriage between the races. One of the three NYC white civil rights workers who were killed during the demonstrations was the older brother of my sister's classmate.

To those of us who do remember these things, vividly, legislating against discrimination is a good thing because people change faster when hit in the wallet. It's legal to have a segregated school, but don't expect any tax breaks that nonsegregated private schools receive. Do expect to have to pay real estate taxes. Don't expect to get non-for-profit exclusion of sales tax on paper, pens, computers, etc. And the money it costs to run a segregated school means tuition will be much higher, using monies which in a school that did receive those breaks would go for more computers, more sports, more class trips.





SoulPiercer -> RE: Political Correctness & the Wonderful World of Kink (1/5/2009 5:59:37 PM)

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ORIGINAL: OmegaG

that's it-- no matter how PC we get there is not "right" terminology.

My son and his father perfer to be called "black", there are others that are more proud of their ancestry that perfer "Afro-American" or other dirivitive.

However, I would bet that when you caught flack it wasn't a person of color that called you to the mat, but a white person that was over sensitive to being seen as non-sensitive to race.


May I kiss you, M'Lady?

Question: How many blacks, african americans, whichever you prefer, actually heard the Imus "nappy headed ho" comment live? My guess is some well-meaning, overly sensitive white person heard it and complained, getting the ball rolling for Al Sharpton to step in and speak for us po black folk who can't speak for ourselves.

When I heard about it, honestly, I laughed my ass off. Because it was hilarious. I watched part of the women's basketball game he was talking about and I'm sorry, but, "them was some rough lookin hos".

I had no problem with him saying it. Because I have heard his show and I know he not a news reporter. He's a shock jock, in my opinion better than Stern, because he isn't a one trick pony. He picks on everybody.

It grinds my gears when I hear someone ask "how come Chris Rock tells white jokes but white comedians can't tell black jokes?" 

The one thing I wish people would remember about the whole PC movement is WE didn't come up with it, WE didn't write the rules.

I can fill a hundred football stadiums with black folks who wish Jeff Foxworthy would tell a black joke .. Cause damn .. he's run the "you might be a redneck" thing into the ground.




SirJohnMandevill -> RE: Political Correctness & the Wonderful World of Kink (1/5/2009 6:17:00 PM)

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ORIGINAL: IronBear

Recently I had a conversation with a long time acquaintance who is the epitome of Political Correctness in which she was adamant I must not refer to servants as such but as either serving persons or male servants and female servants. On the same vein she believed it was incorrect to refer to sub/slaves as such but to refer to them as male or female slaves and male or female submissives. So far she can’t fault the use of Dom and Domi unless it is the abbreviating of their names which she abhors and of course Master and Mistress is perfectly politically correct…

This made me think of a comedy skit I heard recently where some analy retentive politically correct twerp was decrying the nursery rhythm “Three Blind Mice” and stated emphatically it needed to be renamed: “Three Vision Impaired Rodents.


My .02 zlotys on a couple posts in here:  

-- A Dominant has the authority to call his or her -- note political correctness [;)] -- submissive(s) whatever he or she wishes. In referring to another Dominant's submissives/slaves/servants, I think respect dictates honoring that Dominant's wishes in conversation or in a public D/s setting. Can it sound forced or mildly humorous?You betcha! (No apologies to Sarah Palin.) But that's the way I sees it.

-- Regarding racial play, you're free to like it or not, and political correctness has nothing to do with it. Before I met my submissive lady, I was offered such play by a couple of very attractive black women who wanted me to abuse them while slinging racial epithets. I politely declined, saying it's just not my thing. But if a consenting Dominant and submissive are into that, it's their business, political incorrectness aside it.

[sm=abducted.gif]Les (Purveyor of Fine, Handcrafted Kink)




Amaros -> RE: Political Correctness & the Wonderful World of Kink (1/5/2009 7:08:06 PM)

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ORIGINAL: GreedyTop

a point that has been made on other threads is if the person of color is not american, why refer to them as african-american?
I had a  room mate once who was African, Eritrean, and I've had African tenants, known a lot of distance runners from Africa, etc., they come here to train. I dunno, I just say Black, whatever - if they are persons of color, what am I? A person of no color?




NecesitesMe -> RE: Political Correctness & the Wonderful World of Kink (1/5/2009 8:52:54 PM)

Sorry or the lingo. 
The professional vs redneck comment was because many in the USA would assume I am a redneck (a.k.a country boy who drives a pick-um-up truck and wears bib overalls).  Instead I was born up north, migrated south (and love it), own two businesses, drive a recent model euro sports car. 

With regards to the plantation comment.... Most of the slaves in the USA were in the southern states and within that area were on plantations.  Plantations were large farms of sorts that grew among other things, cotton and tobacco. 

Many plantation owners had slave girls.  One of the more famous was Thomas Jefferson who had a slave girl and is known to have fathered several children by her. 

The taboo of acting out such as scene right here in the deep south.. specifically Atlanta where so many racial issues were aired openly, is pretty much the epitome of pissing in the eye of political correctness and washing ourselves of racial taboo in the name of just flat out having fun. 

Personally, I hate PC stuff.  Just be a man (or woman) and say what you think.  If you think bad things about people because of their skin their language their hair color or their clothes... then just say it out loud.  At least then we know who we are dealing with.  PC is just another way to lie. 




FullfigRIMAAM1 -> RE: Political Correctness & the Wonderful World of Kink (1/5/2009 10:30:31 PM)


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ORIGINAL: LuckyAlbatross
The problem with any extreme is that it loses the decent good germ of truth behind it.  We should watch what we say, we should be aware of how our words and actions affect others, and we should try to hold to the concept that everyone should be given a fair shot and to help others when they are down and try not to let the "old ways" stick around when they are harmful to others.

If people want to call all of that PC and throw it all away because some people get crazy and extreme with it, that's a shame.  But I'll still do it
.
Who are you and what have you done with the real LuckyAlbatross?! [sm=dance.gif] I'm kidding... It's just kool to see this side of you. M




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