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..to stop protests like these? - 1/4/2009 6:34:05 PM

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http://thebivouac.wordpress.com/2009/01/03/chicago-thousands-protest-israeli-actions-in-gaza/

Chicago seems to be in gear ... but really.. to "stop protests like these" gimme a break.

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RE: ..to stop protests like these? - 1/4/2009 6:56:17 PM

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Chicago is in gear for what? The video is about pro-Palestinian vs. pro-Israeli protesters, and Obama supporters who are now protesting Obama before he's taken office. What exactly is Chicago in gear for? I'm just not understanding what this thread is about.

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RE: ..to stop protests like these? - 1/4/2009 7:57:28 PM

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Miami, Altanta, NYC all had protests on gaza. but why is this protest, "stop protests like this". why is this issue any more valid, or any less valid- then any other issue?

I dont understand what the logic of regulating "protests like this".

it sorts sounds like one would not dare to criticise the state of Israel. if that is the case, why should they be banned, but other countries who are protested, allowed.

it is bad timing to for Israel to pull this crap. just when the administration is changing over. like to pull us in the their conflict as tho they are mad that mccain did not get in.

prostests in the US have been eerily silent of the tactics that Israel have pulled in recent years. some would say that is one reason why we are in Iraq.

the world sees the US is a colony of Isreal.

then we wonder why there are terror cells who want to kill Americans. we never mind our own bussiness... sending freedom and 'democracy to places that would rather be left to their own devices.

the men in Israel certainly are not taking the high road.

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RE: ..to stop protests like these? - 1/4/2009 7:59:22 PM

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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bGXe5trQQw0 here is a dude shot dead by police new years day in Oakland.

not good.

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RE: ..to stop protests like these? - 1/4/2009 8:13:56 PM

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it is bad timing to for Israel to pull this crap. just when the administration is changing over. like to pull us in the their conflict as tho they are mad that mccain did not get in.

No, it was bad timing for Hamas to start firing mortars into Israel. It was bad timing for Hamas to announce that Gaza would be a graveyard for Israeli soldiers. Hamas asked for trouble, and they got it. It was a bad idea for Hamas to launch an attack, than expect Israel to cease fire and allow Hamas to rearm and regroup. Hamas and her sympathizers seem to be under the mistaken impression that warfare should be fair.

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RE: ..to stop protests like these? - 1/4/2009 9:25:31 PM

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it is bad timing to for Israel to pull this crap. just when the administration is changing over. like to pull us in the their conflict as tho they are mad that mccain did not get in.

No, it was bad timing for Hamas to start firing mortars into Israel. It was bad timing for Hamas to announce that Gaza would be a graveyard for Israeli soldiers. Hamas asked for trouble, and they got it. It was a bad idea for Hamas to launch an attack, than expect Israel to cease fire and allow Hamas to rearm and regroup. Hamas and her sympathizers seem to be under the mistaken impression that warfare should be fair.

http://larouchepac.com/news/2009/01/04/lpactv-supreme-insanity-israel-invades-gaza.html     ...a peace plan is on the table and rejected.
http://larouchepac.com/news/2009/01/04/lpactv-king-crane-vs-sykes-picot-american-peace.html    it is a agent of the British empire.

....massacreing, using machine guns against the people throwing rocks is getting old.      they ought to know better then that. crushing people that are never considered human.      the land issue goes back a very long time.   even still why would either side then suddenly love the other side?     they just couldnt live with the relative peace... they had to push push push.

slaughtering other human beings is wrong.

...it all fits into the plans of the british empire. so bombs away. (coughs)

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RE: ..to stop protests like these? - 1/4/2009 9:41:27 PM

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pahunkboy, there was a truce in place. As soon as that truce ended, Hamas starting firing mortars into Israel. Hamas hides it's military operations in civilian areas, than runs to the international media with tales of civilian atrocities. What is Israel supposed to do? Are they supposed to allow a terrorist group to attack them without consequence? Are they supposed to ignore the proclamations from Hamas that no compromise will ever be welcome. Are they supposed to ignore the Hamas position that only the destruction of Israel will stop their aggression?

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RE: ..to stop protests like these? - 1/4/2009 9:55:33 PM

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It will not the first time that cops or undercover officers bust up protests in the so-called free world. so many examples, i only grabbed a few:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qBARO_vj70w
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=v5_T4odEODM
florida: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3aed_rLObEc

nor would I be surprised it could get worse, since cops have been caught instigating violence so they could raid, injure or arrest:

Quebec: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Jq5vc9Zgd8s
Greece: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SBKyVSaHHPA

sigh: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UKbSmMecums

one close to home: http://www.umich.edu/~snre492/cheshire.html

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RE: ..to stop protests like these? - 1/5/2009 5:19:35 AM

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pahunkboy, there was a truce in place. As soon as that truce ended, Hamas starting firing mortars into Israel. Hamas hides it's military operations in civilian areas, than runs to the international media with tales of civilian atrocities. What is Israel supposed to do? Are they supposed to allow a terrorist group to attack them without consequence? Are they supposed to ignore the proclamations from Hamas that no compromise will ever be welcome. Are they supposed to ignore the Hamas position that only the destruction of Israel will stop their aggression?

renew the truce.

turn the other cheek

repent.

hamas is no angel and must do the same. antagonizing eachother wont help.

this sorta plays into Irans hands

aside from the hard nuts and bolts of the ordeal, I am surprised in the age of free speach zones that the protest got that far.

the violence wont stop within my lifetime. the streets that this protest happened on are big streets. the powers that be dont like it. when they proested Iraq, it started on Lake Shore Dr, but squahed on Michingan av. a shopping area.

the very nature of a protest is to voice disent of the status quo. so to allow some but not allow others defeats the purpose.

....both sides should have renewed the cease fire.

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RE: ..to stop protests like these? - 1/5/2009 6:41:46 AM

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Been that way for over forty years Hunk, remember the USS Liberty ? They can do no wrong, period. It is that simple.

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RE: ..to stop protests like these? - 1/5/2009 7:39:32 AM

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it is a agent of the British empire.

...unabashed hijack.....

.....why do you keep banging on about a social institution that hasn't existed for decades?

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RE: ..to stop protests like these? - 1/5/2009 8:35:58 AM

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philo, you seem to lack a fact or two. This is more general, sorry.......

The best way to keep control is to loosen it, at the right time. If, via occupation a population is subject to near complete control through about two generations, once the attitude of the masses has changed, any amount of freedom gets the oppresors renamed liberators, or heroes of some type.

You have probably read that the best way to build a prison is to tear the walls down. What that means is perception is everything. The oppressor simply needs to nurture the friendly factions of the conquered, and let society caste into place the rest. In this way in a scant 40 years you can allow the appearance of independence and the sheeple will cheer.

It is somewhat like what they refer to as the Stockhom syndrome, but it is much deeper than that. If the conquered society is maintained properly, you can actually affect their patriotism, which is no less than redifining it.

However the Israel - Palestine problem is different now, and illustrates what happens when the situation is not handled properly. They are still at a point in their history like we were when whiteyes and redman were scalping each other. The situation was not handled properly and they have stayed in that state of existence for too long. Now all they want is each other dead.

To give you an idea of one of the better controlled occupations in the world, look at our own reconstruction era after the civil war. Times were tough at first, and the south was occupied sure as shit. Enemies were punished, bigtime, there were many injustices as well as a major redistribution of wealth. However in years to come things eased up, and I think you might be able to mention Sherman in Savanna these days. People wouldn't know what you're talking about.

This all goes to deeper issues, as well as exceptions. Trying to hold together a Czeckoslovia or Yugoslvia can be difficult, but in the US the warring factions had plenty of common history etc., plus the fact the ultimate goal was reintegration. Reconstruction took care of that fast. After a couple of generations the flames burn out and here we are.

So that's the plan, take over, get all your abuses over with quickly. Get rid of who and what needs to be gone immediately. Let the people forget, and all the while be nicer and nicer to them, gradually. They will be eating out your hand, errrr,,,, allies. In time.And of course then we get to have a military base there forever.

I hope this clears things up :-)

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RE: ..to stop protests like these? - 1/5/2009 9:34:50 AM

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it is a agent of the British empire.

...unabashed hijack.....

.....why do you keep banging on about a social institution that hasn't existed for decades?

the sun never sets on the British empire.

we are still a colony of it. the new name is globalization. same thing.

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RE: ..to stop protests like these? - 1/5/2009 9:44:16 AM

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Been that way for over forty years Hunk, remember the USS Liberty ? They can do no wrong, period. It is that simple.

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http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/USS_Liberty_incident

then there is Bernie Madoff ... the "investor"
and Larry Silverstien, the insurance beneficiary that has sued for double claim on the terrorism insurance he took out only 20 days before 9-11.

..when you swindle a tribe out of their money, they get mad.

then there are Iranian assets STILL being held in a big New York bank. ...it has been many years since the 444 days. they need to unfreeze those account. (another tribe, Iran swindled out of its money)

supposedy Madoff is too sick per cancer and treament to stand trial.. isnt that awefully convenient. remember Enron?

THEN we have Berncki, who plunders our future money for several generations.

with friends like this, Ild say, we dont need ANY friends................................................................

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RE: ..to stop protests like these? - 1/5/2009 10:10:31 AM

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it is a agent of the British empire.

...unabashed hijack.....

.....why do you keep banging on about a social institution that hasn't existed for decades?

the sun never sets on the British empire.

we are still a colony of it. the new name is globalization. same thing.

......well, the sun never used to set on the British Empire, but that's a thing of the past. And you do a major dis-service to your argument by equating modern globalisation with the old British Empire. There may be some superficial similarities, but the differences are far more significent.
First and foremost, modern globalisation is not nation specific. It is a product of more than one culture......not just the British one. By calling it the 'British Empire' you merely play down the role played by, say, US corporations. You let them off the hook. Secondly, the British Empire was unabashedly paternalistic. While exploiting the colonies it also exported things like Parliamentary Democracy, education systems and a love of cricket. Globalisation doesn't have the same commitment to educating those it exploits. It's anti-democratic.
Thirdly, and this is personal.......your insistence of this inaccurate characterisation is, frankly, insulting. i may be a British ex-pat and you can be assured i am fully aware of our deficiencies....but , as a nation, we have many things to be proud of. Some of them springing from that defunct British Empire.

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RE: ..to stop protests like these? - 1/5/2009 10:11:37 AM

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Hunky, I heard of something like that years ago, that DC was not US soil.

However, discarding the notion of a legally defined empire, if there is one, would include Canada. That would take care of most of the sun never sets. Right now would be a perfect time to own a globe, but I don't.

The sun never sets, very interesting.

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PS; Now watch someone come in here with sunset and sunrise times of all present, possibly some former British colonies to prove or disprove it. Perhaps find some protectorates half way around the world, and maybe some islands with certain trade agreements, all that. May well find the statement to be true. After all, this is CM.

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RE: ..to stop protests like these? - 1/5/2009 11:24:31 AM

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if it would make you feel better, we could call it the American empire.

the East India Company business model is the example of it.   the variations arent too far from that set up.

why would a Brit be insulted by that term?

...most of the colonies had to go thru bloodshed to seceed. and when a state tries to leave the union, there will be problems there as well.

Pakistan was set up to antagonize India as India left being a colony. Rodisia did not have an easy time leaving...

the city of London a private corporation, has way too much influence on the US.

in 1913, the US returned to bank of England rule. 1913, we gave away our sovereignty.   in 1918 we enacted the fed income tax.

The battle of Waterloo set the stage for the banking cartel. House of Rothschild. Got rich via spreading a false rumour that the Brits lost that battle. The markets plunged. Where upon he bought up everything. Then 18 hours later, it was learned that the Brits had in fact won the battle of Waterloo. but now the banking family owned it all.

a simmilliar pattern happened in the 1800s in US, and in the great depression.

and it is happening right now.

it isnt a level playing field...not in the least. any of these forces makes the regs to there can be no competition.

this force wont stop until it owns perpetual mineral rights to the entire world. we will have a 1 world curency which can be turned off like a debit card.

the banking family of England wont have Russia /China/India get in the way... so they run the risk of being nuked.

it is all about power and greed.

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RE: ..to stop protests like these? - 1/5/2009 4:50:29 PM

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For Americans:

"Our tradition is one of protest and revolt,
and it is stultifying to celebrate the rebels of the past
while we silence the rebels of the present."

Henry Steele Commager
(1902-1998) Historian and author of Freedom Loyalty and Dissent, 1966.

For Canadians:

"I am a Canadian, free to speak without fear, free to worship in my own way, free to stand for what I think right, free to oppose what I believe wrong, or free to choose those who shall govern my country. This heritage of freedom I pledge to uphold for myself and all mankind.

John Diefenbaker, (1895-1979) Prime Minister of Canada

Paraphrasing the Canadian Bill of Rights, July 1, 1960.

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RE: ..to stop protests like these? - 1/6/2009 4:07:37 AM

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if it would make you feel better, we could call it the American empire.

the East India Company business model is the example of it.   the variations arent too far from that set up.

why would a Brit be insulted by that term?

...most of the colonies had to go thru bloodshed to seceed. and when a state tries to leave the union, there will be problems there as well.

Pakistan was set up to antagonize India as India left being a colony. Rodisia did not have an easy time leaving...

the city of London a private corporation, has way too much influence on the US.

in 1913, the US returned to bank of England rule. 1913, we gave away our sovereignty.   in 1918 we enacted the fed income tax.

The battle of Waterloo set the stage for the banking cartel. House of Rothschild. Got rich via spreading a false rumour that the Brits lost that battle. The markets plunged. Where upon he bought up everything. Then 18 hours later, it was learned that the Brits had in fact won the battle of Waterloo. but now the banking family owned it all.

a simmilliar pattern happened in the 1800s in US, and in the great depression.

and it is happening right now.

it isnt a level playing field...not in the least. any of these forces makes the regs to there can be no competition.
this force wont stop until it owns perpetual mineral rights to the entire world. we will have a 1 world curency which can be turned off like a debit card.

the banking family of England wont have Russia /China/India get in the way... so they run the risk of being nuked.

it is all about power and greed.

East India Company..!! American Empire...! One world currency...! Just calm down guy. Take a couple of ambian and get some rest.

You do raise an interesting point regarding Nathan Rothschild and the family manipulating the London market with
sell orders that gave rise to rumors that "the Rothschilds know" the outcome of the battle of Waterloo that had the entire European and British Isles on pins and needles as to who would be dominant, France or England. They took advantage of their prestige, and their selling precipitated a panic on which they profited fantastically. Kinda like the hedge fund managers of today spreading rumors about bankrupt banking companies and shorting stocks as they spread the rumor and creating panic selling, albeit on a much smaller scale than the Rothschild corner of the market.

It was all "technology"...the Rothschilds had a more efficient, accurate and more capable spy system than governments and knew what was going on wherever there was financial gain to be had. They were just better than anyone else at the time and Nathan was probably the Warren Buffet of his day...only better and probably a lot more devious.

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RE: ..to stop protests like these? - 1/6/2009 4:51:18 AM

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For Americans:

"Our tradition is one of protest and revolt,
and it is stultifying to celebrate the rebels of the past
while we silence the rebels of the present."

Henry Steele Commager
(1902-1998) Historian and author of Freedom Loyalty and Dissent, 1966.

For Canadians:

"I am a Canadian, free to speak without fear, free to worship in my own way, free to stand for what I think right, free to oppose what I believe wrong, or free to choose those who shall govern my country. This heritage of freedom I pledge to uphold for myself and all mankind.

John Diefenbaker, (1895-1979) Prime Minister of Canada
Paraphrasing the Canadian Bill of Rights, July 1, 1960.

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