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aravain -> A fundamental flaw of online communication? (1/5/2009 8:50:31 AM)

I'm in a mood to muse...

perhaps the topic should be more similar to 'online forms of communiction' but I'm more focused on the communication aspect than anything else... in that instance I could throw in all forms of purely textual, aural, or visual communications...

I'll put any discussion questions in bold so that they're more noticeable... :)

maybe this'll make more sense after I finish here goes:

Like most human beings I'm a very social creature. A majority of the time I enjoy spending time with others, and I like talking, both aloud and in text, to them. However, lately, I find a great many of my needs, socially, are not being met to the extent that they previously were. I know the cause of it, but it's made me think about a fundamental flaw of online (or just basically limitted) communication and *why* it does not meet my social needs and expectations.

In pure simplicity it's the complexity of real-time, multi-layered social activity that I'm missing. Basically: talking with people in the same room, looking at each other, and focusing on conversation. There's many layers to it that any other form of social activity (which is intrinsically 'limited' by nature of not including all the layers) do not encompass entirely. In an 'online' aspect (which is the most on-topic discussion for this forum) this is restricted in many ways, and differently depending on the type of communication used.

Due to its immense complexity the internet can provide us with just about any sort of meeting and medium of communication short of face-to-face, physical meetings. Each form, of course, resembles an aspect of a physical meeting, but none of them truly encapsulate everything. I suppose if I had to rank the methods of communication off the top of my head, from most realistic to least it would go something like this:

Audio-video Chat
Video chat
Audio chat
Text-only chat
Forum chat

Even within the most realistic simulation of an offline, real life social event between two people, an Audio-video chat is still lacking in... something. There's a basic need that's not met within it. I get the person's voice, I get (limited) body language, I get communication... what aspect of a social event is missing?

I think I've narrowed it down to a basic interaction of environment. If I change my environment, it still does not affect my partner's environment, at all (unless we're AV chatting in the same room... to which my response would be "...").

So why is this aspect of social interaction so important? Why does it affect the meeting of my social needs? Were it able to be resolved, I wouldn't need a 'real life' (nor, I'd wager, would others) but what about it keeps (specifically) me looking for other people to talk to in-person, even if I don't know them as well as those I know online?
 
Similarly, the idea of a forum communication, beyond the answer of questions (or debate to find the right answer) or some execution of an intended act (such as roleplaying) seems like a silly choice when looking to meet 'social' needs... and yet it's the first place many go to feel solidarity, together, and like they belong somewhere. Everything about it says that you belong, you have a username, a password, and a whole attached identity that is editable by yourself (in the case of CM, it's the entire personals side)... but other than those two (narrow) focuses of communication it pales in its capacity as a social tool. You don't really converse with any individual, and the medium is more clearly useful in debate and accumulating opinions, not creating a meaningful connection between two or more people.

So why do we do it? Why do some people spend a big portion of their life online, on forums, looking to meet social needs (for entertainment, or to belong, or etc. etc.) when it's, at best, a lacklustre way, compared to other mediums, to meet those needs? Are other people as, frankly, frightened as I am of personal communication with someone they don't already know well?
 
so maybe the motivations for this are less clear than before [:D] but I'm interested in responses (not necessarily one-on-one communication) and trying to use other people's understandings of themselves and others to help me understand myself better.

P.S. I'm back :D (Also, my New Year's Resolution was to 'Learn something new about myself'... I figured I should get an early start)

EDIT: Oops... I got so excited I submitted prematurely... where's the internet cock-ring and submit desensitizing gel when you need it? Typos and such are fixed XD




Vendaval -> RE: A fundamental flaw of online communication? (1/5/2009 2:34:37 PM)

My basic premise is that there are fewer consequences in Online communication and that the persons communicating this way have greater control over their responses. 
 
Your mileage may vary




ScooterTrash -> RE: A fundamental flaw of online communication? (1/5/2009 4:50:15 PM)

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ORIGINAL: Vendaval

My basic premise is that there are fewer consequences in Online communication and that the persons communicating this way have greater control over their responses. 
 
Your mileage may vary
AND...if the conversation starts to go bad, in the case of chat, a simple BRB (and then never return) or on a forum or e-mail, just never responding and the problem goes away. Try that in a one on one conversation and it get's very complicated (gotta go, my dog just called or something like that)...lol. On-line...like being there without the strings.....hmmmm.




Aszhrae -> RE: A fundamental flaw of online communication? (1/5/2009 4:55:47 PM)

I really don't mind audio-video chat. At least you know that you have the individual your speaking with attention. They actually have manners when they need to excuse them selves to do something. What I don't like is when the person at the other end wants only to cyber with you. If they want to cyber there are hot sites for that. Verification is one thing, but even then its a thin line between perving and verifying.
To each their own.




came4U -> RE: A fundamental flaw of online communication? (1/5/2009 5:07:08 PM)

quote:

So why do we do it? Why do some people spend a big portion of their life online, on forums, looking to meet social needs (for entertainment, or to belong, or etc. etc.) when it's, at best, a lacklustre way, compared to other mediums, to meet those needs? Are other people as, frankly, frightened as I am of personal communication with someone they don't already know well?


I'm stuck online anyways doing or waiting to do other things.  I have never been frightened of commmunicating with someone I don't already know though.  I don't understand how someone can be afraid of another online at all.

Besides, I'd meet anyone within 10 minutes if I felt it would be an improvement and enhancement to my life and not a hinderence or a waste of time and energy. 

I also don't have a tv in my comp/office room lol.




Vendaval -> RE: A fundamental flaw of online communication? (1/5/2009 6:21:51 PM)

The video portion of chat is distracting, the delays of a few seconds throw my timing off.  But if someone has something they want to show me like a new outfit or bondage set up it is worthwhile.




pixidustpet -> RE: A fundamental flaw of online communication? (1/6/2009 2:06:14 AM)

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ORIGINAL: aravain

So why do we do it? Why do some people spend a big portion of their life online, on forums, looking to meet social needs (for entertainment, or to belong, or etc. etc.) when it's, at best, a lacklustre way, compared to other mediums, to meet those needs? Are other people as, frankly, frightened as I am of personal communication with someone they don't already know well?
 


because i *do* have neurological issues.  because it *is* difficult for me to get out, or some days even compose a complete thought.  right now i'm able to type fairly coherantly, but fuck-all if my brain and mouth will work correctly together.

in a forum such as this?  i can take my time to complete my thought, rein in those sentence fragments  that wont behave, and get back on track  when i go blank for several minutes on end.  it makes things difficult when words escape me, or my brain goes wandering and i stare mindlessly into space in a face to face conversation. 

this...i get to talk to people from all sorts of places, and i dont look quite the fool i do when i'm stumbling about and walking into walls because my balance sucks lately. 

kitten




Dnomyar -> RE: A fundamental flaw of online communication? (1/6/2009 8:47:44 AM)

Personal communication has nothing to do with these forums. In here you get to meet people from many different places and countries. How would you do that without these forums.




T1981 -> RE: A fundamental flaw of online communication? (1/6/2009 9:02:42 AM)

This came up recently during an English class discussion, the idea that the preponderance of internet connection in some way cheapens or else decieves the connection that people have face to face.

I'm inclined to disagree.

The internet is a tool to find support, it's a medium, and it also allows us to branch out and learn about new experiences, things we could never experience otherwise. Does the viewing of someone's pictures they took while scaling mountains in Japan somehow cheapen the experience the person who actually climbed had? Not at all, in my opinion. But what it DOES do is allow someone, such as myself, who might NEVER have the chance to go to Japan, to get as close to the experience as I can without actually having it. I believe that online communication is simply another layer to the complexities of human interaction and not something that in any way cheapens any experiences.

When we got our first CMail here, we were given the couple's IM address. We haven't IM'd in nearly a decade, so I was a bit nervous about that. But we went ahead and dusted off our yahoo program, and in no time, were not only chatting in real time, but having webcam sessions, too. While it is NOT the same as actually meeting up, it is a fabulous way for newbies such as myself and my husband to help break the ice and nervousness concerning meeting other people. This is very useful.




Musicmystery -> RE: A fundamental flaw of online communication? (1/6/2009 1:24:00 PM)

~FR~

All forms of communication have their place, depending on their strengths, weaknesses, and the nature of the exchange.

Some things beg for face to face talks, with no distractions. The phone can work, but not as well for an important, intimate conversation. And letters/email/posts can collect thoughts, but for important conversations can read like people trading shots.

On the other hand, for more casual or less emotional conversation, email/posts can be preferable, as someone isn't yanking my attention away from what I'm doing until I have a few moments to freely consider the matter.

My two cents. A penny for your thoughts. That's three cents to you...

;-)




colouredin -> RE: A fundamental flaw of online communication? (1/6/2009 1:25:08 PM)

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ORIGINAL: Musicmystery


All forms of communication have their place, depending on their strengths, weaknesses, and the nature of the exchange.



I completely agree.




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