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RE: Clinton Chief Panetta to head CIA - 1/8/2009 6:02:37 AM

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Since he's from outside the "business" of the CIA, he'll be in a position to remove those who were responsible for criminal activity, hiding under the cloak of "national security."

And in the process of removing the "criminals", he'll emasculate the CIA.

Better this nation's spymasters be effective criminals than ineffective moralists.

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RE: Clinton Chief Panetta to head CIA - 1/8/2009 8:49:23 AM

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Actually,he`ll restore their moral and give a friend in the white house to the CIA that it hasn`t had in 8 years.

bush suprogated policy to politics in every part of the government,including the Intel folks.Blamed them for his failures and exposed the ID of an undercover CIA agent for political ends.bush (and the neo-cons)will never live that down or be forgiven for it.

Obama will change this.He`ll end the antagonism and mistrust and will have their(the CIA`s)backs.He certainly won`t commit treason(in a time of war,a hanging offense) like the bushies did with Valery Plame.

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RE: Clinton Chief Panetta to head CIA - 1/8/2009 10:52:20 AM

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I guess Owner59 doesn't realise that to give terrorists a civilian trial will require dozens or hundreds of CIA agents(who actually work in the field) and foreign nationals helping us abroad (at extreme risk to them and thier families lives) to be publically exposed and confronted....Unless they get secret trials with secret evidence, and little to no communication with the outside, and no independant lawyers. Which is not Civilian Due process.

But hey it's not like there is really anything at stake....I know not all Democrats feel tht way. Which is Obama? We get to see soon.

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RE: Clinton Chief Panetta to head CIA - 1/8/2009 12:33:26 PM

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ramsy yousef was tried quite well and rots in jail .....

Part of the problem is that neo-con policy is illegal/extra-legal which has compromised our judicial system.There is no due proccess.Just what bush wants or decides.

With what`s been going on,one can`t get a fair or impartial hearing which de-legitimizes the trials,the verdicts and the sentences.All of it.Any of it.

How the cons thought they could toss out 200 plus years of jurisprudence and our Constitution is still beyond me.

Maybe they just don`t care.Don`t care about laws,our reputation(in the civilized world) or what being a torture nation means.

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RE: Clinton Chief Panetta to head CIA - 1/8/2009 4:07:58 PM

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All I can say is, The next for years are going to be a BLAST!!!
with a nomination like that . TOO much fun.
How did that nomination of Richardson go BTW!

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RE: Clinton Chief Panetta to head CIA - 1/8/2009 4:39:23 PM

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After the last 8 years,you must be completely out of laughter....

Just how many more laughs are left?

Even if the nomination is withdrawn or rejected,at least Obama is picking qualified people ,un-like bush picking his collage roomates or frat buddys.

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RE: Clinton Chief Panetta to head CIA - 1/8/2009 4:46:54 PM

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why do i get this strange feeling of deja vu? oh yeah, alot of people are crawling out of the woodwork who have already done their best, or their worst, for this country.
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RE: Clinton Chief Panetta to head CIA - 1/8/2009 4:55:57 PM

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To me,it`s quite interesting that folks waited for bush to fail before calling him a failure.They certainly didn`t wish him ill ,for that would be wishing ill on the USA.

Obama`s critics aren`t content to wait ,though.And they sure seem to be wishing him ill on him presently and by extension,wishing ill on the US.

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RE: Clinton Chief Panetta to head CIA - 1/8/2009 8:50:11 PM

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I guess what you say makes sense, if you want a policy of letting Terrorists kill large numbers of people, then going after them with warrants. Seems kind of hard to serve a warrant on a successfull suicide bomber though. Your lack of familiarity with American history is showing again. As Vendeval pointed out, Etraordinary rendition, has gone on since the 1800's, and I as I pointed out, it was under Clinton that we began giving them to torture states.

And in your last post are you saying that The Democratic Congressional Leadership is wishing ill on America? Or is that another fact to be ignored?

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RE: Clinton Chief Panetta to head CIA - 1/8/2009 8:59:21 PM

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Vendeval, I already posted evidence that Clinton's team was sending people off for torture with out trials, blatently laughing that it was illegal. You guys are making the claim that Panetta was in the loop. That he does have experience with National security Intell. You can't really claim that he was part of the decision making team and using the intell, and that he was out of the loop, at the same time. Can you? It is clear that at least one Democratic partisan on this thread simply refuses to accept the facts, but you are better than that aren't you?

Yes they can, it's called doublethink. Don't try to think too logically about it, you'll just end up requiring psychotropic drugs.

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RE: Clinton Chief Panetta to head CIA - 1/8/2009 9:07:55 PM

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And I posted evidence that Clinton went after known criminals,like ramzy yousef.

Not innocent people,like this guy.

Or innocent countries,like Iraq.

Funny how no one was upset when bushco was screwing someone else.Now that they lost all that money,now people are paying real attention.

Yes he went after *him* *after* he blew a truck bomb up in the WTC. He was treated as a criminal where government action stopped at him and his co-conspirators. The incident was not treated as the act of war it was, and as a result the buildings came down on 9/11. Not to mention the other dozen or so attacks on American assets, civilians, and military personnel that occured between the two WTC attacks.

I'm glad Obama is being an idiot and caving to the far left. Now when the inevitable happens because of the weakness the left has projected to our enemies it's going to be quite hard to blame it on Bush. If he had 3 brain cells to rub together at the same time he'd keep everything, at least outwardly, exactly the same. But your party is full of arrogance, they actually think their appeasement mentality will alter the terrorists behaviour. The only parts of the country your party's policy are protecting are DC and San Francisco. Bin Laden isn't stupid enough to attack his allies.

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RE: Clinton Chief Panetta to head CIA - 1/8/2009 9:11:43 PM

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More "change" for the Obama administration?? The good news is the Clinton cronies have almost all been given jobs. The well is almost dry. I say Monica Lewinski for Education secretary...

Shouldn't Monica be made Commerce Secretary (world's oldest profession and all)?

I was thinking Health and Human Services secretary. The clinton appointee (can't remember her name, just her scary looks) like to talk to diplomats about masturbation. With Monica, they can up the ante to oral sex demonstration. And Republican or Democrat, god knows, every guy prefers a bj to whacking off.

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RE: Clinton Chief Panetta to head CIA - 1/9/2009 12:03:22 AM

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And I posted evidence that Clinton went after known criminals,like ramzy yousef.

Not innocent people,like this guy.

Or innocent countries,like Iraq.

Funny how no one was upset when bushco was screwing someone else.Now that they lost all that money,now people are paying real attention.

Yes he went after *him* *after* he blew a truck bomb up in the WTC. He was treated as a criminal where government action stopped at him and his co-conspirators. The incident was not treated as the act of war it was, and as a result the buildings came down on 9/11. Not to mention the other dozen or so attacks on American assets, civilians, and military personnel that occured between the two WTC attacks.

I'm glad Obama is being an idiot and caving to the far left. Now when the inevitable happens because of the weakness the left has projected to our enemies it's going to be quite hard to blame it on Bush. If he had 3 brain cells to rub together at the same time he'd keep everything, at least outwardly, exactly the same. But your party is full of arrogance, they actually think their appeasement mentality will alter the terrorists behaviour. The only parts of the country your party's policy are protecting are DC and San Francisco. Bin Laden isn't stupid enough to attack his allies.

The left will just follow the law and the Constitution.

It`s served America quite well so far(till just after 9/11).No need to re-invent it.

Getting back to it won`t require much more than integrity and real leadership.

No need for anything more ambitious,added or taken away.

The left will find these criminals with law enforcement.They`ll be tried and some will die.The rest will rot.And it`ll be legal and legitimate.

The left won`t use an army to bomb it`s way around the world looking for terrorists,killing thousands of innocents in the process.

We`ll do it the way civilized people do it and regain the moral high ground once again.

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RE: Clinton Chief Panetta to head CIA - 1/9/2009 5:51:22 AM

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The left will just follow the law and the Constitution.

They'd have to read it first. After the whole Burris mess it's pretty clear the left, Dear Leader included, have done no such thing.

Besides, the leftists in Congress voted for the Patriot Act with equal enthusiasm to the right. Dear Leader himself was quite in favor of Patriot Act II, if you recall.

Dear Leader plans to void the Constitution; he will find it a nuisance in his quest to destroy America.

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RE: Clinton Chief Panetta to head CIA - 1/9/2009 7:32:35 AM

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I`ll take dearest over dumbest,any day.......

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RE: Clinton Chief Panetta to head CIA - 1/9/2009 7:54:17 AM

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I`ll take dearest over dumbest,any day.......

Well, then you're in luck. With Dear Leader, you get both.

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RE: Clinton Chief Panetta to head CIA - 1/9/2009 12:44:18 PM

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Yes he went after *him* *after* he blew a truck bomb up in the WTC. He was treated as a criminal where government action stopped at him and his co-conspirators. The incident was not treated as the act of war it was, and as a result the buildings came down on 9/11. Not to mention the other dozen or so attacks on American assets, civilians, and military personnel that occured between the two WTC attacks.

I'm glad Obama is being an idiot and caving to the far left. Now when the inevitable happens because of the weakness the left has projected to our enemies it's going to be quite hard to blame it on Bush. If he had 3 brain cells to rub together at the same time he'd keep everything, at least outwardly, exactly the same. But your party is full of arrogance, they actually think their appeasement mentality will alter the terrorists behaviour. The only parts of the country your party's policy are protecting are DC and San Francisco. Bin Laden isn't stupid enough to attack his allies.

Ohhh!!!! I get it now. It was the weakness of the Democratic left that allowed all this.

So I guess it was Bush's tough response of ignoring the Cole bombing (we wouldn't want to encourage terrorism by acknowledging it, would we?) that prevented the towers from coming down.

Not to mention the attacks on Americans, American business interests, and American embassies since 9/11 that, according to his supporters (what few remain), Bush has kept us safe from.

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RE: Clinton Chief Panetta to head CIA - 1/9/2009 5:26:34 PM

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I know reality has little to do with the left's opinions on this, but the Cole bombing occured under Clinton, not Bush. And Rahim al Nashirri, the leader of the event, is one of the people the left is demanding to be let go free from Guantanamo.

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RE: Clinton Chief Panetta to head CIA - 1/9/2009 8:31:54 PM

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The Cole bombing happened in the last days of Clinton`s watch and he actually sent the FBI there to investigate.

bush pulled the investigators and let the case go cold.Something that Clinton wouldn`t have done.

So,what did the bushies find out about the Cole bombing, after 8 years?

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The record shows that the intelligence community and the Clinton admin. were desperately trying to enlighten the bushies about al-queda and their plots.

Again,(as the record shows)that the bushies weren`t having any of it.

They let the ball slip and watched like deer in the headlights as our WTC fell.What was Condi`s words? "osama bin laden determined to attack in the United States"Only a fool would go then and make her Secretary Of State after a failure like that one.

I also recall the cons (elected ones) chanting,"no war for Monica,no war for Monica" when Clinton sent cruze missiles into the mountains of Afghanistan(missing bin-laden by only hours).A brave bunch ,they are.

And who will forget how the cons exploited the tragedy of 9/11 for their own political ends?

And we had the bush admin expose the ID of an under cover agent.They blew her cover as well,a fake company named Jennings-Brewster and wasted the years of effort it took to set up Brewster Jennings ,as well as all the assets that the CIA agents developed using Brewster-Jennings.

All gone.Who would do such a thing? And Why?Certainly America`s enemies would.But the president?

These are the guys who are supposed to watch the backs of our agents.Protect them and guard them in the field.

Not stab them in the backs,as bushco did.

A shameful bunch,almost to the last man/woman.

Panetta will start to heal that awful wound and might bring the perps to justice,if we`re lucky.Who knows,the shoe dodger might pardon the criminals.We will at least egt the truth about what happened,now that the con-men won`t be the police anymore.

Let`s not even get into that crook Alberto Gonzalez, who was actually the #1 LEO!

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Nope,under Obama,the rule of law will once again rule.Crooks won`t be running the justice dept.Our agents won`t be double crossed by their own bosses.Our soldiers won`t be used and abused for political ends.

And they`ll get back to the business of finding those that perpetrated 9/11 and bringing them to justice.

Bravo Leon.And best wishes.

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RE: Clinton Chief Panetta to head CIA - 1/9/2009 8:47:08 PM

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I guess what you say makes sense, if you want a policy of letting Terrorists kill large numbers of people, then going after them with warrants. Seems kind of hard to serve a warrant on a successfull suicide bomber though. Your lack of familiarity with American history is showing again. As Vendeval pointed out, Etraordinary rendition, has gone on since the 1800's, and I as I pointed out, it was under Clinton that we began giving them to torture states.

And in your last post are you saying that The Democratic Congressional Leadership is wishing ill on America? Or is that another fact to be ignored?

And Chokes-on-pretzels has had such success since 9/11, hasn't he? Now where is bin Laden again?

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