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RFID chipping - 1/5/2009 11:12:35 PM

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Take your time if you have interest in such things and view the reality.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=C0Maj1I6kH0

continue to part 2, 3, etc if you can.

Katherine Albrecht has done several interviews for Scientific American Magazine and numerous other great sources.

As she said tonite on radio, "in the 1030s, when America was more religious and biblical when the Social Secrurty number (as a taxation tracker/number of the beast) as a necessity was implimented..people protested. Now, we send our sons and daughters to get the card and number without batting an eye"

Makes you realize, those that deny they would ever get a chip now, by the time future generations are desensitized to the volluntary acts of doing these things...they do it--just because it seems normal and by law.

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RE: RDIF chipping - 1/5/2009 11:18:29 PM

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Yup, and just think about how many things the SS# is used for that are completely unrelated to the Social Security fund- a lot of people don't even think twice when everyone from their doctor to their hair stylists asks for it. Just think how much easier it'll be when they can just run a scanner over the microchip in your neck!

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RE: RDIF chipping - 1/5/2009 11:41:09 PM

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RFID chips contain a number not dissimiliar in concept to the number embeeded in bar codes. The chips will transmit that number if brought very close to a scanner. Walking through a doorway isn't close enough. The scanner must be brought within an inch or two of the chip.

Yes, these chips could eventually be embedded in all durable consumer products. Which would have fairly obvious advantages in identifying stolen goods. Might there be databases containing information on everything you own? Yes but such is already possible and probably already exist. With most major purchases made by debit/credit card or by check there is already a connection between a financial instrument associated with you and certain purchases.

Might people get these chips embedded in their bodies? Yes. And once again so what? This technology is never going to be useful for monitoring a person's movements. It is simply impossible to trigger and read these chips from any sort of distance. What it will be useful for is identifying a person who can't be identified in an emergency and providing ready access to medical records or next of kin information in a crisis.

Much like bar codes and SS# before it this technology has been latched onto by fear mongers and religious fanatics who see the mark of the beast everywhere. 30 years ago it was the fear everyone would have to get a bar code, which beyond a few people with SRN tattoos hasn't happened, and now its RFID.

Being afraid simply because someone tells you to be afraid is far more troubling than any advance in technology.

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RE: RDIF chipping - 1/6/2009 12:22:16 AM

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Yup, and just think about how many things the SS# is used for that are completely unrelated to the Social Security fund- a lot of people don't even think twice when everyone from their doctor to their hair stylists asks for it. Just think how much easier it'll be when they can just run a scanner over the microchip in your neck!

Well, she did say that initially the American government promised excessively that it would only be used for employment and tax systems. Now we pass it out for anything from hospital visits to applying for a cellphone or knowing what is in your purse or wallet. Some understand the possibility of giving SSN for a gun but for FOOD? hmmmm

Accordingly, to your neck comment, so far (give it time) on RFID human microchips being undetectable (ie: hidden in a vaccine) is not possible. These devices need an antenae to be of any value at all (from 30 meters to skin, even then not detectable).

As she said tonight, if it were the size of a rice grain, or a tictac, it would be painful and noticeable. The only way to do that is by volunteering or by gunpoint.

Which would you prefer?

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RE: RFID chipping - 1/6/2009 12:46:42 AM

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That's very scary but we all knew it was coming, especially since so many of us already have number. The fact that you can not do anything in this world without a piece of paper as proof. You were not really born unless you have birth certificate. You are not really dead unless someone performs and autopsy and files a death certificate. Storing data just became a whole lot easier with the TB.

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RE: RFID chipping - 1/6/2009 12:57:37 AM

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Imagine if it came down to it that somehow it all crumbled, courthouses and storage areas (supposedly) damaged by some means and no absolute record of your birth certificate were available when called upon as record....and some entities decide to believe you upon what paperwork you have onhand...yet, because of immigration issues (Mexico? Canada? whomever) becoming overwhelming because of some disaster or pandemic...

"take this chip...for your own safety...yanno, to prove who you are" (aka one 'us' of the good guys).

ya ooooook

I am not a fear mongler. I am not the only or the first to mention a decay in privacy or freedom, but I sure want to let those that do not know that they are/and their privacy is being invaded more quickly within the past two decades more than any humans in history has before.

I encourage anyone who digs this sort of conversation to watch the entire series (or others) before discussing.

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RE: RFID chipping - 1/6/2009 1:16:37 AM

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I would also like to add....

if Gillette is supposedly named as the corporation with the highest theft ratio thus the reason there is so many tracking devices within their packaging

and

their commercialism logo is "Gillette, the best a man can get'...

are they telling us (as a species)

that shaving, removing any remnant of human hormonal manliness (such as facial hair) is reminding us that since man has been programmed to remove that hair that he is doomed to never evolve intellectually speaking more than a neander?

Was the neander the best a man can get? Did the evolution of technology ruin 'man' and allow for a few elites to allow us on a path of denial and continued de-evolvation for their benefit?

I understand that other chemicals have lowered the tostesterone of males since the past 35 years or so..but really..

some have even considered the necktie to be a noose, a working man's death sentence. Shaving, is another.

are you the best a man can be?

*honestly, after thousands of years of alchemy and blacksmithing, THESE razor blades are the best a man can get? LOL men have created weapons (guns, swords, nuclear missles) and this is the sharpest they can get and every month it is a new and improved product??

shop safe! http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=O-1ISx68w1s&feature=related

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RE: RFID chipping - 1/6/2009 2:04:51 AM

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You are not really dead unless someone performs and autopsy and files a death certificate. Storing data just became a whole lot easier with the TB.

if you meant tubercliosis or the plague then yes, but who knows how we will die and if the FDA or Fema gives up and the Department of Health decides a death has become too dangerous and decide to take your loved one for cremation immediately.

Storage becomes all the easier if/when they rid of you.

Birth and death (in our countries) has already been considered a state matter. Long gone are the days of touching our loved ones, holding them or giving them a long goodbye without a manditory carving, weighing and absolute 'no touch' policy.

I see nothing more grim and emotionally heartbreaking than not allowed time to speak to or embrace the dead in a long goodbye (no, am not a necropheliac) to heal people who might otherwise not accept a loss (if they can handle it).

Slowly one's own culture that they are safe within can become situational havok for the next generation of humanity.

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RE: RFID chipping - 1/6/2009 3:51:12 AM

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Minus my wisdom teeth, I came into this world as a whole, going to die as whole. Don not want some doctor cutting me open to weigh all my organs and cut open my skull to remove my brain to weigh. All this to determine cause of death. I died damnit, don't just toss everything back in like I am a turkey at Thanksgiving. I want everything in its proper place when they cremate me. Death Certificate should just say: She's dead.

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RE: RFID chipping - 1/6/2009 4:19:55 AM

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This thread is about loss of privacy through the use of RFID,

if you want to specify that info see your laws on that topic here: http://www.webmd.com/a-to-z-guides/autopsy-16080

I meant earlier the CULTURAL ideal of death and how birth and death has become out of our hands.

One issue that reminded me of that lately was a quote from John Travolta in these recent headlines about the death of his son, he said that when his son (Jett) was born at the hospital that they (nurses) asked to take him to clean him (Jett) to weigh him. Travolta refused and told them to "Nope!! We will do that tomorrow". He held his son all night apparently.

None of us do that. We should. Why shouldn't/can't we? Will they look at us with scorn? Call the children's Aid for wanting to hold our own healthy born children close to bond??? Likely? YES

Why is birth something we are denied access too, death and taxes unavoidable but we find one or all three annoying, endure or refuse to enjoy?

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RE: RFID chipping - 1/6/2009 4:59:10 AM

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a chip can only be put into the body in a few places. the electricy in your body will power the chip.

cops are getting these chips.

electrical fields can effect how you feel.

..in theory then your emotions can be effected by a switch.

it is now illegal in Calif to "read" these chips with out disclosure.

I can picture new generation willingly chipped.

I heard an interview with a CIA defector. he said if you do anything AVOID THE CHIP.

when he left the CIA. they put a tube in him. if he doesnt show up every 72 hours to get the needed chemical- he dies a slow and painfully horrific death.

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RE: RFID chipping - 1/6/2009 5:12:52 AM

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quote:

a chip can only be put into the body in a few places. the electricy in your body will power the chip.

passive RFID chips get the power from the reader/scanner outside the body. I think it works on induction.
Active RFID chips have a battery

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RE: RFID chipping - 1/6/2009 5:41:32 AM

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Either kind of chip can be "zapped" so that it is non-functional. You have it, but it is broken. Or stick a metal patch over it to block reaction.

US passports are now chipped and if you are smart, you get a shielded passport cover so that it is readable only when it is open.

So, here is a question. What are the possible "unintended consequences" of chipping people that the PTB (Powers That Be) would NOT expect?

Here's one:
Stolen identity via chip cloning. (Right now, chips not easily spoofed, but we used to say that about the network adapter physical address in your computer. Now it is easy to spoof it.)

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RE: RFID chipping - 1/6/2009 5:54:21 AM

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http://www.passport-stronghold.com/products.html

they even have ladies bags.

I am not worried about beeing tracked for the right purpose....for example the goverment overhere.

It also would be possible if you go from shop to shop..they trace your interests...and spam you with it for example. That kind of information gathering I would dislike.

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RE: RFID chipping - 1/6/2009 6:16:49 AM

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So, here is a question. What are the possible "unintended consequences" of chipping people that the PTB (Powers That Be) would NOT expect?

Here's one:
Stolen identity via chip cloning. (Right now, chips not easily spoofed, but we used to say that about the network adapter physical address in your computer. Now it is easy to spoof it.)

a crappy example but the impersonation that the 'donor' clone did upon the recipient insurance holder in the movie The Island.

--or hacking. People think hacking from basements and garages are a bad thing, if not for these people that computer systems (and other social changing devices) derived from, then we would not even have more than a candle to stare into a black piece of glass with.

What are the unintended consequences? Possibly (and it has been done already by one crazy guy) chopping off of one's own limbs. Some might consider suicide over the chip (666 theorists), some might .....just be removed for refusing.

Which pound would you sever?

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It also would be possible if you go from shop to shop..they trace your interests...and spam you with it for example. That kind of information gathering I would dislike.

http://www.doshdosh.com/what-will-the-future-of-advertising-look-like/

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RE: RFID chipping - 1/6/2009 8:13:02 AM

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great link..thank you

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RE: RFID chipping - 1/6/2009 8:51:03 AM

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quote:

ORIGINAL: Aszhrae

Minus my wisdom teeth, I came into this world as a whole, going to die as whole. Don not want some doctor cutting me open to weigh all my organs and cut open my skull to remove my brain to weigh. All this to determine cause of death. I died damnit, don't just toss everything back in like I am a turkey at Thanksgiving. I want everything in its proper place when they cremate me. Death Certificate should just say: She's dead.

on your teeth... I used to be very very VERY concerned about my teeth. but now as they have gotten crappy, I come to sorta accept it. grudgingly- but never the less...

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RE: RFID chipping - 1/6/2009 10:26:53 AM

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It is my understanding that "they" have begun "dusting" people at meeting, rallies, protests with the smallest of Hitachis chips - about the size of a grain of sand. Better able to keep track of folks with dissenting views.

Uncle Nasty (still on the mend)

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RE: RFID chipping - 1/6/2009 11:04:23 AM

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No, grain of sand size is not quite available, nor is is necessary right now. It has gone beyond the lawsuits and crap of the tazer...this is much quieter and less detectable: http://www.infowars.com/?p=6847 ,http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sciencetech/article-482560/Run-away-ray-gun-coming--We-test-US-armys-new-secret-weapon.html, http://gizmodo.com/gadgets/gadgets/ap-reporter-gets-zapped-with-military-pain-gun-248902.php, (they call that the Active Denial System??? pay attention to what they say at 40 seconds) http://www.newscientist.com/article/dn7077
heard about these weapons for almost a year now. Why haven't you?

They merely do what I said in my first post on the subject, infiltate from the inside. Is this what you want your own country that your forefathers fought for to do?

Do you think a Superpower like the United States needs quiet/less lethal armour for actual war?

lol who are you kidding. This is for YOU!

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