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Aszhrae -> RE: Nibiru (1/6/2009 11:52:36 PM)

I don't believe it happened everywhere in the world, at least not like everyone thinks. Only the old countries have any history, oral or written about the flood affecting that part of the globe.
Its interesting where some cultures speak of a flood, other cultures speak of a time of plenty, when present deserts were green and there was fields of maize and oka being grown.
So many things happen here, influence the planet, internally and externally.



Kirata -> RE: Nibiru (1/6/2009 11:56:10 PM)

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ORIGINAL: slaveboyforyou

It's not just you; it's you and a handful of UFO conspiracy theorists who conveniently disregard science.

Leaving the "conspiracy theorists" aside, the stuff we've got on UFOs is fascinating. Anyone interested (not necessarily you) might enjoy checking out this series of videos (link is to 1 of 12).
 
K.
 



TNstepsout -> RE: Nibiru (1/7/2009 5:33:50 AM)

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ORIGINAL: Vendaval

Is this a back-track to the '70s pop culture phenom, as in
Chariots of the Gods by Erich Von Daniken?


It's not really a backtrack. Interest in this kind of information existed before VonDaniken made it popular and it has maintained it's popularity ever since. I know the name Nibiru from the works of Zecharia Sitchen, which I have read cover to cover several times. I don't know that I believe ALL of what he theorizes, but he certainly makes some very good points, especially regarding the interpretation of ancient myths. New information is added to the field on an almost daily basis as we learn more about space, our planet, and ancient languages and communication between cultures and scientists of various fields is improving.



Aszhrae -> RE: Nibiru (1/7/2009 8:48:58 AM)

This is something that I found that really bothers me.
Way back in '83, I do remember how excited astronomers were when they discovered a planet outside the Oort Belt. Then 4 years later nothing is heard more about such a finding, additional documentation pertaining to the finding.
Now we have sightings in the south of photographs taken, privately and publicly of a new celestial body coming closer.
Then of course there is forum opinion denouncing such a finding. Other opinion posting that it makes sense.
Now astrophysicists speculate that at the center of our galaxy there is this huge black hole that gives out galaxy its spin. The Earth is drops below and rises above the 0-degree plane (sorry don't know the astronomical term). It is the increased gravity along this plane that is causing all nasty weather phenomenon to occur.
Now a couple of years ago, there was a report made my astronomers that our own solar system is moving into a dust cloud. They warned that the heat of the sun would take longer for it to get to us, but also for our planet and other planets/gas giants to radiate the excess heat longer to cool. They tell us that global warming is being caused by human consumption of earth resources. They have dismissed the whole dust cloud theory since it counters the anti-global warming effort that has become big business. Not about the environment anymore, just how much is there to be had.
If our planet is indeed moving towards this 0-plane, it makes sense to me there would be a dust cloud, it also makes sense to me that the planet would be heating up as a result. It is perhaps a feasible hypothesis that with the increased gravity along this 0-plane that this 10th planet, a Brown Dwarf becomes closer to us.
There is a whole lot of speculation.
I dunno about you, but if I were at NASA and I knew something like Niribu was coming closer, I would have constructed a satellite and sent it on a rendezvous journey. I would certainly like to know more than mere speculation.
What I don't like is the fact that the more information that I seek, the more propaganda I get accept god and accept christ, blah, blah, blah, stay ignorant and be saved.
Concerning the ancient myths and historical data found inscribed in stone concerning the existence of Niribu/Eris. It does seem a whole lot of trouble to go to in making such inscriptions in stone for a work of fiction. We are speaking of ancient peoples now. A lot of what they did gave us the ability to communicate to one another, mathematics and the duey-decimal system, let us not forget '0', the foundations to modern science, and beer.
(the mention of beer is not invitation to hijack the thread, but it was an important discovery because of fermentation and yeast for making bread)
I am not going to dismiss ancient cataloguing for modern science. I believe much of it is flawed.

[like the eyes, TNstepsout]



slaveboyforyou -> RE: Nibiru (1/7/2009 9:15:59 AM)

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duey-decimal system


The Dewey Decimal Classification system was created in 1876 by Mevil Dewey (American librarian), not ancient societies. 



Aszhrae -> RE: Nibiru (1/7/2009 9:29:39 AM)

doubt that since the mayans knew the value of Pi, which means they had a decimal system in order to create their celestial calendar 



camille65 -> RE: Nibiru (1/7/2009 10:32:13 AM)

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ORIGINAL: slaveboyforyou

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duey-decimal system


The Dewey Decimal Classification system was created in 1876 by Mevil Dewey (American librarian), not ancient societies. 


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ORIGINAL: Aszhrae

doubt that since the mayans knew the value of Pi, which means they had a decimal system in order to create their celestial calendar 


You doubt that Melvil Dewey created the Dewey Decimal System?
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"The Dewey Decimal Classification (DDC, also called the Dewey Decimal System) is a proprietary system of library classification developed by Melvil Dewey in 1876, and has since then been greatly modified and expanded through twenty-two major revisions, the most recent in 2004. The system is a method for placing books on library shelves in a specific and repeatable order that makes it easier to find any specific book or to return it to its proper place"
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dewey_Decimal_Classification

And just in case you don't trust Wiki (I often don't):

"Melville Dewey, a librarian, devised this system in 1876, arranging all known knowledge and ideas into 10 broad categories.  He assigned numbers to each of these categories, ranging from 000 to 900."
http://library.mhc.edu/research/dewey.htm



Aszhrae -> RE: Nibiru (1/7/2009 10:40:25 AM)

I don't believe that he was the first to invent the decimal system.
If we want to bring up issues of invention and innovation. Perhaps a separate thread. Trigonometry, Algebra  and Cartography are not modern inventions. Some ancient civilizations created far more accurate maps long before the establishing of longitude and latitude.
There are a lot of modern inventions that the discoverer was given full credit for the invention but were discovered first in ancient times.
An interesting example by the Hopi that mimics the orbit of the Orion binary system long before the invention of modern astronomical instruments.
It is also interesting to note that the energy, although it was called something completely different, that binds molecules and atoms. Are the effects of radiation on an Indian Elephant long before Nuclear Science or Medicine, found on a stone tablet in India.
What is to say that external planetary influences did not influence ancient cultures.

It is theorized that a Brown Dwarf, could create enough heat to support the evolution of life on one of its satellites. To say that we are the only civilization to be as developed as much as we are is a little naive don't you think? Is it not conceivable that something such as Nibiru or Eris could exist. Astronomers will admit that it is a rarity to have single star system without a binary companion. If Nibiru does actually exist and its a reoccurring happening, maybe it had something to do with the development of scientific method among the ancient cultures.




slaveboyforyou -> RE: Nibiru (1/7/2009 12:31:15 PM)

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I don't believe that he was the first to invent the decimal system.
If we want to bring up issues of invention and innovation. Perhaps a separate thread. Trigonometry, Algebra  and Cartography are not modern inventions. Some ancient civilizations created far more accurate maps long before the establishing of longitude and latitude.
There are a lot of modern inventions that the discoverer was given full credit for the invention but were discovered first in ancient times.


You're arguing about this, and it's very obvious you don't even know what the Dewey Decimal system is.  [8|]

It's not the invention of the decimal numeral system; ie a numeral system with 10 as its base.  The Dewey Decimal Classification is a system for libraries to organize materials according to their subject.  The Dewey system classifies subjects in 10 categories; each with 10 subcategories.  Each subcategory has 10 subdivisions.  So it's all broken down into 10's, hence the word....DECIMAL.  So when you go into a library and ask where books on history are, the librarian can tell you it's in the 900's. 

Again, it's not the invention of the numerical system using 10 as a base. 



Aszhrae -> RE: Nibiru (1/7/2009 1:08:53 PM)

No need to insult my intelligence.
I am only making the statement of the possibility that an ancient culture could have used the decimal and it was only rediscovered and the person did take full credit for the innovation to the mathematical system.
Since trigonometry was used in the construction of various structures of the ancient world, it is quite feasible that the decimal system was already being used long before 1876. Consider the fact that in Chinese historical culture had their Renaissance long before Europe ever did.
Chinese were the first to use cluster bombs and cluster rockets that would be fired along the waterline of junks. This I only offer as an example of technology that was invented long before modern inventors did take full credit without giving credit to the source of the information.
Just something to think about is all.
Perhaps the ancient world knew of  technology that the modern world no longer has knowledge of because such things were guarded selfishly and thus died with the culture when the culture died out or was destroyed by invading forces.




slaveboyforyou -> RE: Nibiru (1/7/2009 1:35:09 PM)

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I am only making the statement of the possibility that an ancient culture could have used the decimal and it was only rediscovered and the person did take full credit for the innovation to the mathematical system.


Ancient cultures did use decimal systems.  It likely came into use because humans have 10 fingers and 10 toes.  Dewey didn't take credit for the invention of dividing things up into 10's.  It's just called a decimal system because it divides categories of human knowledge into 10's to make libraries easier to use.  I'm not trying to insult your intelligence, but you don't seem to understand the difference. 



DomKen -> RE: Nibiru (1/7/2009 1:41:11 PM)

You're misunderstanding what the term decimal means. All it means is a system of mathematics using a base of 10. This is the by far most common base used throughout the world and it was clearly independetly derived many different times.

The Mayans weren't even particularly attached to base 10 mathematics. Their mathematics were done, it appears written evidence is very fragmentary, in a number of different bases of which 10 was not apparently the most common one.

As to using pi and non whole numbers the Mayans definitely understood these concepts but that is not even remotely unusual. The ancient Egyptians did several thousands years earlier as did any number of other civilizations much older than the Mayans both in the new and old worlds.



Aszhrae -> RE: Nibiru (1/7/2009 3:04:33 PM)

As for a cataloging system it might have been used when the Library of Alexandria was still one of the greatest ancient wonders. No one will really know since it was destroyed by fire.
I am saying that I would not be surprised that many discoveries of the Victorian Age were not previously invented by other cultures more ancient than now.



TNstepsout -> RE: Nibiru (1/7/2009 5:09:52 PM)

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ORIGINAL: Aszhrae

A lot of what they did gave us the ability to communicate to one another, mathematics and the duey-decimal system, let us not forget '0', the foundations to modern science, and beer.
(the mention of beer is not invitation to hijack the thread, but it was an important discovery because of fermentation and yeast for making bread)
I am not going to dismiss ancient cataloguing for modern science. I believe much of it is flawed.

[like the eyes, TNstepsout]



Thanks Aszhrae- I think you hit the nail on the head. I too believe that much of our current knowledge is REdiscovered information that has since evolved. In fact I think one of the reasons the Middle East has been so fought over for so many centuries is because of the belief that ancient knowledge is hidden there in some form or another. 



ResidentSadist -> RE: Nibiru (1/7/2009 5:15:06 PM)

Anyone interested in this thread might want to take a peek at Zecharia Sitchen's books if you haven't already read them.  In particular, “The 12th Planet”. 



Aszhrae -> RE: Nibiru (1/7/2009 5:29:41 PM)

There is a myth that when the Library of Alexandria was in flames a lot of the knowledge within that library was transferred to a private library on Saudi Arabia. Presumed destroyed by many, I am sure much of its knowledge might also be stored in the Vatican Vaults because they have deemed the world unworthy for having access to such knowledge.
Find it very strange that a great many that manage those vaults only speak Coptic, the official ancient spoken language of the inscribed hieroglyphs.
It is believed that when Islam arrived in Spain and started the scientific evolution. Much of the content from private libraries in the Middle East was shared, but also much of it was lost also.
Have to wonder how much knowledge was lost concerning both the heavens and earth. How much knowledge of our own history is stored in private libraries around the world because the value of such things is not measured by the value of wisdom but only by its value in $dollars$.
If Nibiru is a reoccurring influence upon this planet, surely there has to be other documented sources that are not horded in private collections.



msub4Domme -> RE: Nibiru (1/27/2009 9:06:28 PM)

Just to add an aside to this intriguing but altogether peculiar thread......There was a mention of one Erich von Daniken.  This man was nothing but a pure plagiarizer.  The major source if his plagiarism were the works of one Immanuel Velikovsky, primarily from Velikovsky's book "Worlds In Collision".  Daniken also took from Charles Fort, etc.



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