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RE: Policeman Murders Citizen. (anyone surprised?) - 1/8/2009 6:37:47 PM   
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i am totally against any protest that includes violence and destruction of property.


I am totally against abuse of powers by the authorities and their representatives, especially when this involves the murder of a defenseless human being.



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RE: Policeman Murders Citizen. (anyone surprised?) - 1/8/2009 6:44:38 PM   
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Status: offline 		i'm just disappointed, (hard for me to get disgusted)  that so many can't see the parallels.
Think of the value of  tea in 1773.  Think of the merchants, shopkeepers, pub owners, restaurant owners, and consumers that were directly affected by the Boston Tea party.  Just because it happened that long ago doesn't make it nicey-nice and perfectly legal.

Though i suppose the Machiavellian spin on things might appease some people.

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RE: Policeman Murders Citizen. (anyone surprised?) - 1/8/2009 6:48:08 PM   
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i'm just disappointed, (hard for me to get disgusted)  that so many can't see the parallels.
Think of the value of  tea in 1773.  Think of the merchants, shopkeepers, pub owners, restaurant owners, and consumers that were directly affected by the Boston Tea party.  Just because it happened that long ago doesn't make it nicey-nice and perfectly legal.

Though i suppose the Machiavellian spin on things might appease some people.


I think I know why some people refuse to see the parallels, tulip... but it's best kept off the thread  .

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RE: Policeman Murders Citizen. (anyone surprised?) - 1/8/2009 6:55:35 PM   
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Status: offline 		Just my observation, but after seeing the footage for the first time today is it not possible that the gun accidentally went off? It looked like the officer was stunned it happened and just stood there for a min. I am not saying it is okay just something that I happened to notice. Please don't attack me it's just a question and observation on my part.

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RE: Policeman Murders Citizen. (anyone surprised?) - 1/8/2009 7:00:49 PM   
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Status: offline 		Still...why did he even pull it?  At the point that he went for his gun, the victim was already cuffed face down, and prostrate.

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RE: Policeman Murders Citizen. (anyone surprised?) - 1/8/2009 7:01:16 PM   
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RE: Policeman Murders Citizen. (anyone surprised?) - 1/8/2009 7:08:30 PM   
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Status: offline 		No. His finger would have had to pull the trigger - as will all modern and not so modern guns.

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RE: Policeman Murders Citizen. (anyone surprised?) - 1/8/2009 8:04:52 PM   
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Just my observation, but after seeing the footage for the first time today is it not possible that the gun accidentally went off? It looked like the officer was stunned it happened and just stood there for a min. I am not saying it is okay just something that I happened to notice. Please don't attack me it's just a question and observation on my part.


He should have never unholstered it to begin with.  You don't point firearms at anything you aren't willing to destroy.  Anyone that has ever been taught to fire a gun is told that.  He as a cop, should have known better.  Saying that, I didn't see it as an accident.  I saw a man very coldly unholster his weapon, aim it, fire it, than reholster it.  He should be prosecuted for murder. 

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RE: Policeman Murders Citizen. (anyone surprised?) - 1/8/2009 9:10:11 PM   
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Just my observation, but after seeing the footage for the first time today is it not possible that the gun accidentally went off? It looked like the officer was stunned it happened and just stood there for a min. I am not saying it is okay just something that I happened to notice. Please don't attack me it's just a question and observation on my part.


Even if it was an accident, he is still an idiot. I'd be stunned too if I shot someone while pulling my gun like jackass.



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RE: Policeman Murders Citizen. (anyone surprised?) - 1/9/2009 12:24:34 AM   
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Status: offline 		Sometimes radical change is required and the only way to ensure this is by moving as a body of people against a regime that's seen as abusing its power. No one advocates looting or the destruction of property but as with anything, a few rotten apples... which is what we have seen within the police forces across our countries and the general consensus is that people want a change in how such actions are investigated, i.e., forces should not be allowed to conduct their own investigations. But as with anything, if the initial selection programme isn't thorough, this bad element will remain.
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But rioting, looting, and destroying your own neighborhood will bring the corpse back?


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RE: Policeman Murders Citizen. (anyone surprised?) - 1/9/2009 2:13:52 AM   
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We already know Obama has ideas for Brown shirts of his own. He might settle for Blackwater instead.
First i'm hearing of it....Any sound proof...like not from a blog, or The Onion?  i would be intersted to see it. 



Ask Obama yourself. He knows what his ideas are. Anyway this tactic has been done before. If it works once, why not again?
So no proof? Right? Is that what you're saying?  i have a problem with someone saying "we already know..." something, when in fact, we don't know.  As far as me asking Obama himself...not bloody likely, but a girl can dream!



I'm not gonna answer directly for my man here....but I can clearly see what he is alluding to :

http://www.dailynewscaster.com/2009/01/03/barack-obamas-chief-of-staff-rahm-emanuel-wants-three-months-of-civil-service-from-all-citizens/

Based on a simple analysis of statements made by both Obama and his primary handler/chief-of-staff Rahm Emanuel, its easy for me to understand how some could extrapolate out and see the parallels of an Obama/Emanuel proposal for a mandatory civil service requirement/indoctrination process---for all able-bodied 18-25 year olds--- to that of a new modern day '' snitch culture '', reminiscent of Hitler's youth movement.

I'm not saying I agree with the above assessment - But at the very least, I would say this idea of ''mandatory civil service'' is a clever means to re-institute the draft and gain access to cheap/free labor, under the guise of patriotism and a manipulated false sense of ''duty to country.''

If Bush/Cheney would have proposed the exact, same idea to the populace, they’d have been lambasted, with similar parallels brought forward. But with the new credibility of Obama, they might just get away with it.






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RE: Policeman Murders Citizen. (anyone surprised?) - 1/9/2009 2:24:13 AM   
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RE: Policeman Murders Citizen. (anyone surprised?) - 1/9/2009 2:34:27 AM   
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RE: Policeman Murders Citizen. (anyone surprised?) - 1/9/2009 7:42:03 AM   
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You don't know what the fuck you are talking about. You weren't there, little girl.




-Don't 'little girl' me. It's pet peeve.

You said a greaser got out of a car and threatened you. Big deal. Why didn't you just say a cop waved a knife at you...
I apologize for my choice of words. I don't know what a greaser is.

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RE: Policeman Murders Citizen. (anyone surprised?) - 1/9/2009 7:33:24 PM   
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This is the same logic that dictates that we remove guns from the possession of law abiding gun owners because one abusive husband shoots and kills his wife

No it isn't, because in this case, there are hundreds of police shootings of unarmed citizens on youtube right now.  Murders caught on tape in the last couple years.  Our side of the argument is saying THAT is why continually giving the police more and more power and privilege is dangerous.  This, coupled with the rights of the people stripped and the powers of the government boosted in the last decade or two, has many people remembering the atrocities committed during times like ours for previous world superpowers.



there are just as many of citizens shooting cops! 

 

I wasn't aware a score was being kept on whose side was winning. If police put the uniform and badge on and accept the glory and respect that goes with the job, then accept the disgrace and disgust that some of you bring upon yourselves. Why are you crying that it;s only a few bad cops instead of fighting for there to be no bad cops?

Heres a good one for you.

http://www.brasschecktv.com/page/388.html

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RE: Policeman Murders Citizen. (anyone surprised?) - 1/9/2009 8:53:34 PM   
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Status: offline 		i never said there was a score being kept!  but i do believe that there have been unjust acts committed against both the citizens and Law Enforcement.  i never claimed one group is better than the other.  but i do NOT believe that the actions of this bad cop and other bad cops like him constitutes a "police state" or that the system is totally corrupt.  many have stated in this thread that all cops are bad..lumping them all in one basket!  i never accept nor tolorate corruption.  i always speak out and use the system to rid my profession of the bad ones!  the system can work if given a chance! 

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RE: Policeman Murders Citizen. (anyone surprised?) - 1/9/2009 9:54:05 PM   
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Corrupt cop is redundant. If a person carries a badge, he is corrupt. I bash them, sneer at them, scorn them--each and every one of them.


The cops in this area in the 50s, 60s 70s were officers who protected you.  They would arrive as soon as possible and would not back down in your protection.  If bums were being rolled, the oldest and heaviest posed as bums and some were hurt but the risk was alleviated.  If couples were mugged, police officers as couples went on the street.  Female police officers posed as prostitutes if they perceived a risk.  These cops put it on the line.

From the 80s on I came to the opinion that that the main problem was the lack of leadership.Rather than being led by a John Wayne type who held the Medal of Honor there came a time when paper pushers commanded.  Now each cop has to be evaluated separately and the days of cops posing as bums is passed.  However, I do not view them all as corrupt nor would I want them disarmed.  I would work for better leadership and tactics that re instill that spirit of protecting citizens.  Some still have that spirit but leadership has to foster it.

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RE: Policeman Murders Citizen. (anyone surprised?) - 1/9/2009 10:09:26 PM   
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Status: offline 		I have seen good cops for the most part.  I admit to my share of misdemors(?), but when I needed them, they have been helpful, especially if someone is attacking me due to my mental illness.  They threaten to toss the guy in jail for mental abuse because he tried to toss me out without a court order (they reminded him that he had to go thru the eviction process and no judge will listen to his paranoid ramblings). 

Heck, I cried once a cop friend of mine died a few years ago.  He sat with me when I was going thru false labor (it sure felt real to me then).  I used to be on a bowling league with a sheriff years ago and my former neighbor when I was a teenager was a JP.  Anything I did, everyone turned their head, but I did not take advantage of it...I was in the woodshed then...LOL!  Though I did want to date that one officer, but I never got pulled over...

Alexis also has a lot of police friends and can get away with anything.  Even the DPS officers in TX would just give her warnings instead of speeding tickets because she used to be a volunteer firefighter.

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RE: Policeman Murders Citizen. (anyone surprised?) - 1/10/2009 8:46:45 AM   
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i believe we give the system a chance to work before rioting.  if the officer is found guilty of committing the crime he shall be punished.  if this crime goes unpunished then we have a whole different scenario.


hahaha...if a jury of his peers convicts him ok...otherwise we'll destroy property and commit violence.

*That* sentiment is the exact reason every non felon man and woman should carry a firearm.


So in essence, society might as well revert back to a vigilante mentality that was predominant less than a hundred years ago? Bah....history has shown that vigilante justice never solved a damn thing, just added fuel tot he fire so to speak.


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RE: Policeman Murders Citizen. (anyone surprised?) - 1/10/2009 12:03:09 PM   
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Why would a policeman take out a gun against a man whose hands are handcuffed behind his back?




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