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BlackPhx -> Salmonella Warning in the News (1/7/2009 2:32:30 PM)

400 people in 42 states so far..

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/28545378/?ocid=MSNToolbar100

poenkitten




T1981 -> RE: Salmonella Warning in the News (1/7/2009 2:34:32 PM)

Another one? Phooey. The tomato scare last year broke my heart, I love those.

*prays it's not onions*




Crush -> RE: Salmonella Warning in the News (1/7/2009 4:00:18 PM)

OK,

WHICH states?   Or at least, which states aren't on the list?

Geeze...




BlackPhx -> RE: Salmonella Warning in the News (1/7/2009 4:36:14 PM)

They don't list them, and they are still trying to identify the source.. me..I am just making sure that all food is handled correctly. The main focus I think is don't assume it is a cold or the flu, it may be salmonella instead, get it checked out.

poenkitten




Hippiekinkster -> RE: Salmonella Warning in the News (1/7/2009 6:13:49 PM)

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ORIGINAL: BlackPhx

They don't list them, and they are still trying to identify the source.. me..I am just making sure that all food is handled correctly. The main focus I think is don't assume it is a cold or the flu, it may be salmonella instead, get it checked out.

poenkitten

Hell, by the time you get it checked out, it's over with.

OK, I'm minimizing its seriousness, but it usually is fairly mild.
http://www.cdc.gov/nczved/dfbmd/disease_listing/salmonellosis_gi.html




Termyn8or -> RE: Salmonella Warning in the News (1/7/2009 7:12:23 PM)

Has anyone ever wondered if maybe people's immune systems are not up to snuff anymore, rather than calling all these diseases new ? Sure virii and bacteria can mutate, evolve and adapt, but haven't they been doing that throughout history ? Too many things do not fit, given the fact that we are here.

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BlackPhx -> RE: Salmonella Warning in the News (1/7/2009 8:12:57 PM)

Immune systems aren't up to snuff any more..that is a known, we keep treating everything before it IS anything...but we are also breeding bigger and better diseases, mostly through inadequate cleaning methods ( which leave the strongest bacteria and virii to survive and breed) and not finishing up antibiotics once we start feeling better. Basically with that last we are vaccinating them against the antibiotics designed to kill them.

I remember going out to the chicken yard and gathering eggs, some of which got stored in the crisper..and some of which sat on the kitchen counter until grandma used them..no worry about salmonella or anything. Same for pork (slaughter her own pigs cooked the meat well) beef, same thing, and chickens, kill, clean, pluck, cook. Yes we probably took in all sorts of things that today would lay us low, but in amounts that stimulated our immune systems to fight back like a vaccination. Then again there was far less contamination of meat by fecal matter by the old methods, etc. than there is today with the factory slaughterhouses, and they weren't over crowding or  feeding animals massive doses of hormones, antibiotics or other animals to bring them to market sooner.

The same goes with vegetables and fruits, modern shipping and processing methods don't really lend themselves to proper inspection. My ex husband worked for a produce delivery company at one point and constantly came home with infections of his hands from molds and fungus growing on damaged fruits and produce they had to separate out from the good stuff. Heck..take a look at the blueberries, blackberries, raspberries and strawberries at the market..look closely and you will usually find at least 2 or more in the container that have gone off and started growing mold.

poenkitten (wondering how all the medications and preservatives are mixing in the modern human body considering how careful we have to be about medications cross reacting) [sm=ugh.gif]




pahunkboy -> RE: Salmonella Warning in the News (1/8/2009 3:09:23 AM)

but we have the safest food supply in the history of the world......  and the best monetary system too.   add to that the best FDA, SEC, the best congress.. the best govt.  man I feel patriotic today




housesub4you -> RE: Salmonella Warning in the News (1/8/2009 3:37:45 AM)

quote:

ORIGINAL: pahunkboy

but we have the safest food supply in the history of the world......  and the best monetary system too.   add to that the best FDA, SEC, the best congress.. the best govt.  man I feel patriotic today


Sits humming National Anthem while reading your post




pahunkboy -> RE: Salmonella Warning in the News (1/8/2009 5:00:15 AM)

quote:

ORIGINAL: housesub4you

quote:

ORIGINAL: pahunkboy

but we have the safest food supply in the history of the world......  and the best monetary system too.   add to that the best FDA, SEC, the best congress.. the best govt.  man I feel patriotic today


Sits humming National Anthem while reading your post



I just ironed my over sized flag.  I am installing it now up the pole. 




....I even am wearing matching ear rings.




SavageFaerie -> RE: Salmonella Warning in the News (1/8/2009 11:07:23 AM)

quote:

ORIGINAL: BlackPhx

Immune systems aren't up to snuff any more..that is a known, we keep treating everything before it IS anything...but we are also breeding bigger and better diseases, mostly through inadequate cleaning methods ( which leave the strongest bacteria and virii to survive and breed) and not finishing up antibiotics once we start feeling better. Basically with that last we are vaccinating them against the antibiotics designed to kill them.

I remember going out to the chicken yard and gathering eggs, some of which got stored in the crisper..and some of which sat on the kitchen counter until grandma used them..no worry about salmonella or anything. Same for pork (slaughter her own pigs cooked the meat well) beef, same thing, and chickens, kill, clean, pluck, cook. Yes we probably took in all sorts of things that today would lay us low, but in amounts that stimulated our immune systems to fight back like a vaccination. Then again there was far less contamination of meat by fecal matter by the old methods, etc. than there is today with the factory slaughterhouses, and they weren't over crowding or  feeding animals massive doses of hormones, antibiotics or other animals to bring them to market sooner.

The same goes with vegetables and fruits, modern shipping and processing methods don't really lend themselves to proper inspection. My ex husband worked for a produce delivery company at one point and constantly came home with infections of his hands from molds and fungus growing on damaged fruits and produce they had to separate out from the good stuff. Heck..take a look at the blueberries, blackberries, raspberries and strawberries at the market..look closely and you will usually find at least 2 or more in the container that have gone off and started growing mold.

poenkitten (wondering how all the medications and preservatives are mixing in the modern human body considering how careful we have to be about medications cross reacting) [sm=ugh.gif]



I guess Im a loner. I am so not a germaphobic.  I have an exceptionally good immune system that can damn near kill anything that hits me  and fast. I dont do anything special, I dont even avoid cautions on food, still ate fresh spinich during the spinich scare. I avoid antibiotics like the plague and more often than not refuse them because my body kills it faster than the medication can.

I dont take extra precautionary measures when cooking and nothing has ever happened.

I realize not everyone is blessed with a super immune system but Im of the mind of  letting my body build up immunity to things naturally.

I  think the worst thing I have had in the past 15 years was west nile virus and even that I let my body take care of it and treated the symptoms.

If I do get anything that runs rampant generally Im over it in a day.

Perhaps Im just lucky I dunno. I just know that when colds, virus's or whatever is going around, everyone in the house will get it and it bypasses me.

Of course anyone that is immume deficient could certainly take all precautions.




came4U -> RE: Salmonella Warning in the News (1/8/2009 11:31:43 AM)

quote:

but we have the safest food supply in the history of the world......  and the best monetary system too.   add to that the best FDA, SEC, the best congress.. the best govt.  man I feel patriotic today


surely you jest.




PanthersMom -> RE: Salmonella Warning in the News (1/8/2009 4:15:59 PM)

this kind of stuff scares the hell out of me.  i've been on antibiotics for most of the last 8 months.  my immune system is going to be totalled by the time this treatment is all over.  and they're coming up with all these scares and outbreaks.  makes me want to go hide in my closet and not go out anywhere.  i'm covered for most bacteria, true, except the worst ones.   i'm a target for any virus that comes along with the way things are right now.  not a good thing to be.
PM




Vendaval -> RE: Salmonella Warning in the News (1/8/2009 4:18:07 PM)

Aw crap!  Not again!  But nothing specific as to what foods or what source.  [&:]
 
Thank you for the heads up, poenkitten. 




BlackPhx -> RE: Salmonella Warning in the News (1/8/2009 6:23:11 PM)

IIt takes time for them to find the commonality. And I am one whose immune system is easily compromised due to respiratory, circulatory and a few other problems. I have apparently  never meet a cold virus i didn't toss out the welcome mat for and the last bout of food poisoning took 3 weeks 1 trip to the ER for dehydration ( in less than 2 hours) and 3 relapses before it finally gave up on trying to kill me. That one was the result of a late night hamburger from a fast food place at 2 am on the way home from a club.

When I say I handle food carefully..it is along the lines of not storing raw chicken next to other meats or cooked food, cooking eggs thoroughly, pork fully, etc and washing down my counters with soap and water ( as effective as bleach) and keeping my refrigerator at or below 40 degrees. I have seen the way slaughterhouses handle meat, and produce companies handle veggies..I don't take chances.

poenkitten




Vendaval -> RE: Salmonella Warning in the News (1/8/2009 6:25:09 PM)

Take it easy there, dear.  Food poisoning is absolutely hellish.  I remember puking in the garbage can doing the intake paperwork and IVs for fluids in both arms but not much else. 
 

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BlackPhx -> UPDATE RE: Salmonella Warning in the News (1/10/2009 6:46:00 AM)

http://www.reuters.com/article/healthNews/idUSTRE5090HM20090110?feedType=RSS&feedName=healthNews&rpc=76

Minnesota health officials issued a product alert for peanut butter on Friday after finding a jar that was contaminated with a strain of salmonella linked to an outbreak across the United States... Officials from Minnesota's departments of agriculture and health said they were issuing a product advisory for King Nut brand creamy peanut butter after finding the Salmonella typhimurium bacteria in a big institutional-size jar.

There is more...

poenkitten




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