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RE: To Silence One Voice aka The Debate On Scent - 1/14/2009 1:25:01 AM

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I will say this much, Doucheing is fine as long as it is simple soap and water when you get into the scents you are actually making things worse as the body tries to break down the foreign perfume which makes the vaginal secretions more pungent.

A Wash Cloth and warm water and if you like a very mild soap, like a light pass with a Dove Bar, once to twice a day are all that is needed to maintain a NATURAL smell. Although most scents are different they are universally similar to one another.
Steel

I really wanted to comment on this Steel. With respect, it sucks. Anyone reading this should be made aware just how dangerous a bit of advice you just gave.
Douching is NOT healthy. Using soaps is even worse. Douching can introduce bacteria into the vagina and the uterus. It upsets the natural balance, soaps even moreso. Douching increases the risks of PID big time. The American Journal of Public Health states it can lower the chances of pregnancy(although it is NOT a good form of contraception, this is a long term thing and is a major cause of secondary infertility). You should not use any soaps, creams, vinegars or perfumes. Only medications prescribed by your doctor.

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RE: To Silence One Voice aka The Debate On Scent - 1/14/2009 9:27:28 AM

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Okay, Since this has gone on for awhile.

Yes Doctors worn on what Douching can cause. In Most cases they will also say it is due to the fact that is has been done improperly. Douching CAN cause everything that was said HOWEVER the most common Douches that cause Yeast Infections and PID are associates with Vinigar and Perfumed Douching.

Mild Soaps and Natural Soaps may cause Irritation and can make the Vaginal Canal Dry and Irritated. And using Water if flushing too vigoriously can cause water to enter the womb.

YES THERE ARE DANGERS, HOWEVER if the Odor is interfering with your personal life, if it is becomeing a problem with your relationship and if is simply SMELL BASED, then often if asked what can be done even a Gynocologist will Suggest a Douche but not regular use of it.

As I said in MANY cases it is an Infection that is CASUING The smell and there is a simple pill that can be taken to stop the infection in which the Vagina should return to itnatural smell with in the next few menstration periods meaning up to 4 months.

If someone is not willing to wait that long or if Hygene has been mentioned at work and it is affecting thier lifes then YES Gynocologists will suggest douching.

How do I know this? Because I ask questions and I ask then to those who know. When andi was seeing the OB-GYN I asked her ALL Sorts of things. Our Doctor is also a Family Doctor and he gave me literature on the subject.

I am not advocating Douching as a Regular Practice for Anyone, however in the situation that the OP brought up and how it related to seriously pungent odors then Yes I stand by the advice that I gave but will also add, IN ALL SITUATIONS Consult your private Doctor as they will know your body much better that anyone on this board.

As for the PH Balance of the Vaginal Canal (HERE) Although this is not from a Doctors Office this is something to keep in mind. Yes Douching can alter the PH Balance of the Vagina and Vulva but it is something that many companies including this one take into account.

Ultimatly Douching is not the ONLY way, however to simply get rid of an over powering odor for a rare occasion or to remain in a more hygenically keen atmosphere, Don't believe me ask your own Gynocologist, but be sure to inform them that it is due to an Overwhelming odor that is not going away on it's own.

Now for all those jumping on the Down With Douche Wagon, andi doesn't use it, I have only been with one woman who did, when I say Douching is Fine, It was ment as the lesser of the two alternatives the wash cloth is the prefered method perhaps I should have added that but I thought it was implied.

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RE: To Silence One Voice aka The Debate On Scent - 1/14/2009 10:00:55 AM

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I used to work for a Gynecologist. As is standard protocol I accompanied him into the exam rooms. I heard him say many, many, many times..."NO don't douche!!!", but I never heard him even once tell a patient that douching was an ok thing to do under any circumstance.

Also, as a woman who has seen her gynecologist at least once a year for the last 30 or so years...I have never had a doctor tell me that it's ok to douche...but I have had several warn me against the practice. Actually, I distinctly remember when I was very young and asked if it was something that I should be doing, I was very strongly told not to.

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RE: To Silence One Voice aka The Debate On Scent - 1/14/2009 10:28:54 AM

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**sighs**

Okay regardless of the fact that I spent much of this morning confirming what I just wrote, and agreeing that yes most Doctors will say douching is not okay as a regular practice, With the SPECIFIC situation in which Smell is the issue and it isn't going away and it is causing issues in personal life, perhaps if you mentioned it to your doctor that way and then asked specifically "What can I do to get rig of the smell in the mean time as I do not wish to wait up to 4 months for my vagina to do it's own job" Then you may or may not get the same answer.

As I am not a woman and do not have a Vagina, this morning I called 2 different doctors after reading this thread to confirm my orginal understanding and it was again confirmed by both our Family Doctor who delivered my son and andi's current Gynocologist.

Don't take my word for it that's fine, Yes I agree that douching CAN (Not Always) cause issues with many women and it is well documented, however on this specific issue I will take the word of actual Doctors whom I called and spoke with personally.

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RE: To Silence One Voice aka The Debate On Scent - 1/14/2009 11:25:04 AM

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Find a new doctor.

For wiki lovers - http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Douche
For those douching to remove odor - http://www.medicinenet.com/vaginal_douche_douching/page3.htm
Medinet - http://www.medicinenet.com/vaginal_douche_douching/article.htm
History of Douching - http://www.mum.org/vagdouch.htm
Womens health - http://womenshealth.about.com/cs/azhealthtopics/a/vagdouching.htm
Scientific Essay - http://linkinghub.elsevier.com/retrieve/pii/S1361259X99900247
bupa - http://hcd2.bupa.co.uk/fact_sheets/html/qanda/vaginal_infections_qanda.html#3
Womens health Concern - http://www.womens-health-concern.org/help/factsheets/fs_bacterialvaginosis.html
Family Planning Association - http://www.cmmc.nhs.uk/directorates/mcsh/Thrush%20and%20bacterial%20vaginosis.pdf
My doctor - No. Douching has too many risks and washing with or introducing soap is really bad. Who told you that you should?

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RE: To Silence One Voice aka The Debate On Scent - 1/14/2009 12:04:19 PM

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Like I said I asked the SPECIFIC question of the Odor, the Desire NOT to wait until the Vagina does it's own job and in the event that they had the Infection that has caused the odor, and BOTH doctors said in that situation if it was causing problems in thier personal life and they could not wait then yes a Douche would be an acceptable option if it was not Vinigar or Perfume related and then I got the Address for the product that the doctor suggested if you felt you needed to do something right away.

I could care less what the above site suggest as many are written with the idea in mind that a person is NOT going to consult a phisician first. They are designed to in many ways scare the individual into not doing something that could potentially harm them.

Simple Question which medical practice do you know of that would suggest in a non regulated forum doing something that could cause you the problems that have been mentioned.

As I have been told by most physicians any advice you get from any non regulated source will offer worst case senario due to the abundance of people who use these kinds of sites to diagnose themselves.

Your Doctor knows you best and if they know the circumstances around why you are asking about certain things they will prescribe different avenues of thought.

In this situation what has been presented in a situation in which a woman has an issue with odor, along the line it was brought about that it may be interfering with her private and or personal life. If such an Odor was so strong that is was cauing issues the first thing that would be done is an examination and a swab test. Should it come back that there is an Infection then they Doctor would Prescribe the medication to fight the infection and suggest that until the medication regiment was completeted that not only should nothing be done about the odor but that sexual activities should be haulted, if then the odor was still an issue so much so that it was causing problems with personal activities and the patient was wanting anything that would help with the odor and the Doctor was sure the infection was gone and the the odor would be eliminated after a few natural clensing processes (Menstration) then yes a Doctor would tell a patient that a douch COULD be used however they would suggest against it for the numerous above noted issues, however if the patient was adament about removeing the odor then as long as they were educated about the possible effects it may have then they would have thier answer.

I am not saying the above information is wrong because it isn't it was confirmed by both of the doctors I spoke with, but when presented with THIS SPECIFIC SITUATION they could see where it would be understandable that a patient would wish to use a douche.

As for introducing soap to the Vagina, Women are supposed to wash themselves, it is the injection of Harsh Soap, ones with chemicle astrenents or even worse Lye that they are mostly conserned with but as for washing the Mound itself there is no reason not to use soap.

I am not claiming to be an Expert on things. I am simply relying the exact same information I was given this morning by to Medical Professionals in the field we are discussing, If you are adament that they are wrong that is fine just don't douche problem solved, however if you are reading this thread and you are wanting to know what is best for you I say ignore every single one of us and simply ask your own physican, Trust me they are prepared to answer these questions and they won't think differently of you if you ask.

As with anything medical ASK A DOC not a Forum.

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RE: To Silence One Voice aka The Debate On Scent - 1/14/2009 12:25:21 PM

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Steel. The OP didnt ask about vaginal douching. The only person who mentioned it was you. You are the one who mentioned it - on a non medical forum as a viable option. Do you have any idea where vaginal douching comes from? It's history? And why it is a suggested practise? If you read any of those links, it will assist you.
I absolutely agree that consulting with a doctor is the number one priority. But you are the one advocating an outdated practise - one that was not requested and one that you offered little information over to a person who clearly has issues with her own scent and possibly has negative association with it - and you recommend douching? Not only that you have admitted to going outside(with or without their permission) and discussing a persons personal issues with medical consultants as well as suggesting they made a diagnosis/suggestion??????? Any doctor worth their salt would not make a diagnosis of a paitent WITHOUT seeing them. They would say - get the person to see their doctor. Your 'medical advice' from so called professionals is worth nada and as you have said - no one needs to believe your word. I certainly do not.
The mind absolutely boggles.

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RE: To Silence One Voice aka The Debate On Scent - 1/14/2009 12:35:49 PM

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I'm going to take a quick and blunt stab at this. Vaginas shouldn't smell bad. If they do, there's likely an infection like bacterial vaginosis which is what I am guessing Steel described in his original post. Steel, you're right that there are certain very restricted instances in which a doctor might tell a woman to use a douche on a one-time basis but the idea of using one on an on-going basis, even every few months is counter-intuitive as it knocks everyting 'in there' off balance. I am just interpolating here but if someone had that issue (Ie: Bad aroma from infection) and they douched, that might clear up any odor issues for a time but the odor would return as things re-balanced which would still be an imbalance as the issue was untreated just masked, thus 'necessitating' the repetition of the douching and so goes a cycle that would likely be better addressed by proper diagnosis and medication.
I also really, really want to point out that using soap on the extrenal female genitalia is waaaay different than squiriting a soap and water solution into the vagina. It's a self-maintaining orifice. Leave it be and it's generally just dandy. Mess with it, problems arise.
The 'swab test' you mentioned, Steel, usually consists of the doctor/nurse practitioner/medical professional taking a sample of the vaginal secretions and potentially doing a couple of things: testing the pH or looking at cells under a microscope. Yeast infections and bacterial vaginosis tend to thrive in different pH levels, though they can occur simultaneously. Or, the medical practitioner may be looking at the vaginal secretions under a microscope to determine what's doing. The potential for STD's/STI's throws a totally different angle into assessment and potentials but the 2 previously mentioned issues strike me as more relevant to the topic at hand. Also, sometimes peoples' body chemistries don't function particularly well together and/or there may be irritants in a man's semen that knock off the odor and/or balance of a female's vagina.
Not bashing you, Steel. And, I agree that if someone's experiencing an issue or even if they want a medical professional's opinion, definitely great practice to seek one or several (As not all doctors are created equal).
Davan
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RE: To Silence One Voice aka The Debate On Scent - 1/14/2009 12:40:14 PM

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. Steel, you're right that there are certain very restricted instances in which a doctor might tell a woman to use a douche on a one-time basis but the idea of using one on an on-going basis, even every few months is counter-intuitive as it knocks everyting 'in there' off balance. I am just interpolating here but if someone had that issue (Ie: Bad aroma from infection) and they douched, that might clear up any odor issues for a time but the odor would return as things re-balanced which would still be an imbalance as the issue was untreated just masked,

Personal info, I used to suffer BV quite a lot (stress related) and it clears up SO quickly with antibiotics I really cant understand why anyone would do this. Granted it doesnt smell pretty but as you say the reason that it occurs is PH imbalance which means any change could and probably would make it worse not better. When I had it I wasnt even allowed to have long hot bubble baths. As you say the only way to deal with it is have it treated.

however the OP doesnt sound to me like shes talking about infection, if she was her Dom would certainly not be saying it smelled good.

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RE: To Silence One Voice aka The Debate On Scent - 1/14/2009 5:34:50 PM

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I know when my sub walks into the room by her personal sent alone..Sure there are times her scent is lighter such as in the morning after her shower..but from her monthly to just after work..I'd know her anywhere....I get a whiff..and I know she's there..and yea...she gets so embarrassed over it...she swearers my nose flairs taking in her scent..LOL....so what I know whats mine....It sure as hell doesn't bother me a bit [her scents I mean]

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RE: To Silence One Voice aka The Debate On Scent - 1/14/2009 5:43:37 PM

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How about women that just like it? I smell lovely if I say so myself, I like to douche with just vinegar and water when my period is over, every month for twenty years. It makes me feel fresh, cleansed and it is a mental thing, like I am really over my period. I have never had a yeast infection, ever, or any other type of issue there. So I will continue what makes me feel good about myelf, considering the bitching I see on the health threads about yeast infections from the anti douching crowd. The facts don't add up. My gyno doesn't recommend it nor does she disparage it, just scented ones. I'll stick with what has worked for me for two decades.

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ORIGINAL: Darcyandthedark

Find a new doctor.

For wiki lovers - http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Douche
For those douching to remove odor - http://www.medicinenet.com/vaginal_douche_douching/page3.htm
Medinet - http://www.medicinenet.com/vaginal_douche_douching/article.htm
History of Douching - http://www.mum.org/vagdouch.htm
Womens health - http://womenshealth.about.com/cs/azhealthtopics/a/vagdouching.htm
Scientific Essay - http://linkinghub.elsevier.com/retrieve/pii/S1361259X99900247
bupa - http://hcd2.bupa.co.uk/fact_sheets/html/qanda/vaginal_infections_qanda.html#3
Womens health Concern - http://www.womens-health-concern.org/help/factsheets/fs_bacterialvaginosis.html
Family Planning Association - http://www.cmmc.nhs.uk/directorates/mcsh/Thrush%20and%20bacterial%20vaginosis.pdf
My doctor - No. Douching has too many risks and washing with or introducing soap is really bad. Who told you that you should?

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RE: To Silence One Voice aka The Debate On Scent - 1/14/2009 5:45:31 PM

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Davan to be fair I did ask, if he had the problems he was having because my scent, and I told him he could be honest, and I could handle it. For a while he did try to tiptoe around the issue and finally I just said come right out and say what's on your mind. And I said, so not even right after a bath? And he said no, not even after a bath.

While it sounds kind of cruel, I did say he could be honest. And at least I'm not putting either of us in an awkward situation by continuing to ask could he lick ms kitty, * which is what we call oral*

He doesn't drink any water at all to my knowledge. All he drinks is soda's. He started trying to get on a water kick instead of soda all the time once , but quickly went back to nothing but soda. I think he found it to much of a hassle to carry a thing of water around all the time, and to remember to fill it and always carry it, when Soda, since he works in a restaurant, is so prevalent, plus he's a huge soda junky, has been for all his adult life So I also don't think the caffeine withdrawals was worth it to him to fight through..

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YHMA: I am mortified at what you stated your partner says to you. I don't care if 'down there' smells like (Insert really offensive odor of your choice), there is a more loving, caring way to convey such things. I don't know your partner but based on what you quoted him as saying, he has an abysmal lack of basic courtesy!
Oh, and I suspect that one of the other poster's suggestions about drinking more water would be on the basis of being optimally hydrated which should affect all bodily secretions/excretions.
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RE: To Silence One Voice aka The Debate On Scent - 1/14/2009 10:46:55 PM

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Aynne -
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RE: To Silence One Voice aka The Debate On Scent - 1/14/2009 11:24:51 PM

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I'll be honest: I've had every conceivable reaction ranging from "Hate it!" to "Can live with or without it" to "Love it!" I've known some women with odor that I found simply revolting (and I ran). I've known some women who smelled delicious.

What I love most is unexpectedly smelling a woman's scent on my body a few hours after I've fucked her.

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So I am asking here, what are your thoughts on a woman's scent? Do you enjoy it? Do you hate it?

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RE: To Silence One Voice aka The Debate On Scent - 1/15/2009 7:13:40 PM

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EMMMMMaster I love when you call me to tell me my scent is still with you !!

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RE: To Silence One Voice aka The Debate On Scent - 1/15/2009 7:28:44 PM

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You were honest, so I'll be honest too.
I don't "enjoy" the smell of pussy and tend to be much happier when my girl(s) is(are) fresh and clean. My little girl ended up being one of those lucky ones, with no scent at all (unless she's gone a couple days without a shower), so that pleases me.

To get even more detailed (possibly too much), it's not the wetness that really has any scent (it tends to be velvety smooth, slightly sweet, and odourless) but the actual pussy itself that can smell. How could it not? It's basically a cross between an armpit (sweaty, enclosed folds) plus a mouth (mucus membrane, leads to internal organs). If you cross an armpit and a mouth, and never put deodorant on it, never brush it with minty paste, and never floss it, it's going to have a smell.

That may not help the OP at all, but I was asked for my opinion and I gave it honestly. :p

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RE: To Silence One Voice aka The Debate On Scent - 1/15/2009 10:21:17 PM

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ORIGINAL: SteelofUtah

Okay, Since this has gone on for awhile.

Yes Doctors worn on what Douching can cause. In Most cases they will also say it is due to the fact that is has been done improperly. Douching CAN cause everything that was said HOWEVER the most common Douches that cause Yeast Infections and PID are associates with Vinigar and Perfumed Douching.

Mild Soaps and Natural Soaps may cause Irritation and can make the Vaginal Canal Dry and Irritated. And using Water if flushing too vigoriously can cause water to enter the womb.

YES THERE ARE DANGERS, HOWEVER if the Odor is interfering with your personal life, if it is becomeing a problem with your relationship and if is simply SMELL BASED, then often if asked what can be done even a Gynocologist will Suggest a Douche but not regular use of it.

As I said in MANY cases it is an Infection that is CASUING The smell and there is a simple pill that can be taken to stop the infection in which the Vagina should return to itnatural smell with in the next few menstration periods meaning up to 4 months.

If someone is not willing to wait that long or if Hygene has been mentioned at work and it is affecting thier lifes then YES Gynocologists will suggest douching.

How do I know this? Because I ask questions and I ask then to those who know. When andi was seeing the OB-GYN I asked her ALL Sorts of things. Our Doctor is also a Family Doctor and he gave me literature on the subject.

I am not advocating Douching as a Regular Practice for Anyone, however in the situation that the OP brought up and how it related to seriously pungent odors then Yes I stand by the advice that I gave but will also add, IN ALL SITUATIONS Consult your private Doctor as they will know your body much better that anyone on this board.

As for the PH Balance of the Vaginal Canal (HERE) Although this is not from a Doctors Office this is something to keep in mind. Yes Douching can alter the PH Balance of the Vagina and Vulva but it is something that many companies including this one take into account.

Ultimatly Douching is not the ONLY way, however to simply get rid of an over powering odor for a rare occasion or to remain in a more hygenically keen atmosphere, Don't believe me ask your own Gynocologist, but be sure to inform them that it is due to an Overwhelming odor that is not going away on it's own.

Now for all those jumping on the Down With Douche Wagon, andi doesn't use it, I have only been with one woman who did, when I say Douching is Fine, It was ment as the lesser of the two alternatives the wash cloth is the prefered method perhaps I should have added that but I thought it was implied.

Steel

Well not to rag on you more, but that's not what I've been told.
If a woman smells, really smells, she needs to get her ass into the doctor ASAP. Usually it's vaginitis caused by bacteria, yes, she'll need antibiotics, but it won't be 4 months before things are right. Just like the vaginal yeast medication, usually a 7 day suppository.

Any douching is the absolute worse thing you could do for that unless you make your own with a mixture of distilled water and a few tablespoons of hydrogen peroxide, and even then, you need to be taking acidolpholous to replenish the healthy bacteria. The peroxide kills yeast and bacteria. Distilled water and peroxide, that's pretty much it.

Seriously women, google douching and the natural ways to treat yourself and never for the love of pete put soap up your vagina. Drying is not a good thing. Ever. Irritation, which leads to yeast production.

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RE: To Silence One Voice aka The Debate On Scent - 1/15/2009 11:51:35 PM

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What, you haven't seen a dental floss sized thong?

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If you cross an armpit and a mouth, and never put deodorant on it, never brush it with minty paste, and never floss it, it's going to have a smell.

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RE: To Silence One Voice aka The Debate On Scent - 1/16/2009 12:05:12 PM

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Your scent, like that of every woman is unique. Personally I can honestly say that I love the scent of a woman. Listen to your Dom he no doubt is close enough to you to tell you the truth about the aroma, if any, coming from you

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RE: To Silence One Voice aka The Debate On Scent - 1/16/2009 12:18:33 PM

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To get even more detailed (possibly too much), it's not the wetness that really has any scent (it tends to be velvety smooth, slightly sweet, and odourless) but the actual pussy itself that can smell. How could it not? It's basically a cross between an armpit (sweaty, enclosed folds) plus a mouth (mucus membrane, leads to internal organs). If you cross an armpit and a mouth, and never put deodorant on it, never brush it with minty paste, and never floss it, it's going to have a smell.

Yes, but maybe not an unpleasant one. I personally love the natural smell of my partners of both genders. I love the way Masters breath smells first thing in the morning. I bury my face in his armpit, and in his ass, on a regular basis.

I have had partners my size in the past, and have licked and carressed them beneath overhanging skin. (TMI, yes...) I love to kiss Masters feet, although, they don't have a smell. I love the smell of a man who has been sweating, before he showers (this is asuming there is a short time to enjoy this. Three days is too long....)

OTOH, I understand where the OP is coming from. For all MY enjoyment of scent, I expect my parterns to be more 'Normal on the Outside', LOL, I mean, more like NormalOutside, and so I always hound them to tell me if I smell girlygirl, instead of, uhm, more earthy. I want to smell like a girl, flowers and powder, you know.
But, if you if you cross a mouth with an armpit (if you bury your mouth in someones armpit) and they are wearing deoderont, - you are going to wish they weren't. trust me on this. (YUCK!

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