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Dastan -> RE: Opinions on Shoe Worship (1/18/2009 6:44:24 AM)

I may have a question regarding the subject of foot fetish vs shoe/boot fetish and it's context or meaning/goal.....

I once heard that a kink doesn't take sides. Meaning, a fetisk or kink (fetish = kink, right???!!!) can be the same without making the person sub or dom except when it's added to the game ina  certain manner. I'll give you an example....

At a very large web group on yahoo, a "Dom" man who has been with 2 of the people on the group and many munches, with years of experience, said that although NOT a must for him to get aroused, it would be in his "Dirty Dozen" (the 12 things he found a trigger for excitement sexually) to see a woman wear boots. He said that his Sub Lady resisted and often teased him by caressing his body with her boots and sort of pushign him back, the same way you'd use a shield to defelct a blow, when he tried to kiss her belly or her thighs, and she taunetd him, teased and provocked him with them to make them lick them as he was about to tie her up or so. It was a "qui pro quo" situation as I once read, "If you do mine, I'll do yours" and it worked for him. He loved to wrestle, struggle for the power and control so his play sessions were very physical and flowing.

Just after that, a Sub Male said his Domme often denied him the sensual pleasure of kissing her feet and legs by pushing him back, kicking him and trampling him, stomp him down and pin his hands under her weight in boots and make him worship them by force (even though he liked it) before his plays started and she started her routine and the use of canes and whips. He also said she allowed him, teasing and taunting him like offering a cookie to a dog and make him beg and jump for it holding it out of his reach, to lick her boots out of the blue, in an impromptu way and in the meanwhile, in another "quid pro quo" whip him as he laid on the floor devoted to her boots. The boots were his carrot, so she could give him the stick, so in order not to spare the rod and spoil the child, she gave him the candy first, during or after, in another flowing manner of power exchange.

Now, the forum thread agreed that the behavior was literally the same. They both were on the receiving end, one as Dom and one as Sub and boots were just one more fetish, like wearing leather pants and suits to heighten the sensation play and the power exchange sensuality and the BDSM sex.

There are people who do the boots and shoe thing as a sensual play thing, or as a game without any BDSM in it. A guy can get an order or request from his girlfriend, or ask it himself, as a dare or a test, to lick or kiss her shoes in rpivate or public settings under the right context for him to not get harmed by the consequences of it as an act seen by others. Some men enjoy the feeling of their lovers wearing gloves and caressing them with them, but never delve into the BDSM aspects. I guess that deep down, these are the real or pure kinksters/fetishists (please ayone correct me if this paragraph is wrong as it is my definition of what "just" a kinkster/fetishist is vs the concepts of Subs and/or Slave in BDSM) outside the lifestyle of BDSM and also outside Vanilla, or on its edge or extreme of the grey tones scale or spectrum, sort of the last color of the rainbow before black....

Perhaps defining the Shoe Worship as a kink would help more than to define it as a "Sub/Slave" trait?





Dastan -> RE: Opinions on Shoe Worship (1/18/2009 6:45:56 AM)

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ORIGINAL: MistressRouge

I have a leather fetish, but it does not make me a submissive, so I agree with posts prior.

Fetishism is a totally different dynamic, not necessarily in a D/s situations, fetishists are triggered by their fetish.

Some subs are fetishistic, and some are not, as some Dominants are, and switches.

I actually enjoy fetishists in session, I do attract many rubber/latex & leather fetishists, maybe I just have too much stuff lol.

I would not be phased by a Dominant licking my leather shoes, or boots, I session with quite a few switches anyway, so not a problem for me [:)]

I indulge in many scenes, not only D/s orientated.


Mistress Rouge.....I just posted a small reply with my definition of what a kinkster or fetishist is (to me it's the same kinster=fetishist) and I'd like to get your opinion on my working example of it.

Thank you very much for your attention and answers...




beeble -> RE: Opinions on Shoe Worship (1/18/2009 7:10:05 AM)

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Dastan wrote: ... fetisk or kink (fetish = kink, right???!!!)...

A `fetish' is a specific object or material, not necessarily inherently sexual, that causes sexual arousal: boots or rubber, for example.  A `kink' is any sexual (or closely related) behaviour outside societal norms, such as D/s, bondage and so on.  I would say that a fetish is a kind of a kink but a kink isn't necessarily a fetish but I don't think the distinction is especially important.

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At a very large web group on yahoo, a "Dom" man who has been with 2 of the people on the group and many munches, with years of experience, said that although NOT a must for him to get aroused, it would be in his "Dirty Dozen" (the 12 things he found a trigger for excitement sexually) to see a woman wear boots. He said that his Sub Lady resisted and often teased him by caressing his body with her boots and sort of pushign him back, the same way you'd use a shield to defelct a blow, when he tried to kiss her belly or her thighs, and she taunetd him, teased and provocked him with them to make them lick them as he was about to tie her up or so.

From your description, I'd say that he is making an act of submission by licking her boots in that way: he is allowing her to control that part of their play until he re-asserts his dominance.  It's not the fact that he's licking her boots that makes it submissive; rather, it's the circumstances under which he's doing it.  For example, it wouldn't be submissive for him to lick her boots to tease her when she wanted her thighs or belly kissed.

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Perhaps defining the Shoe Worship as a kink would help more than to define it as a "Sub/Slave" trait?

I think that calling it worship makes it inherently submissive: worship implies giving oneself to someting.  But, yes, I agree that wanting to lick shoes or boots is a kink or fetish: it's not inherently submissive, though it's most often expressed in a submissive way.

beeble.




MsFlutter -> RE: Opinions on Shoe Worship (1/18/2009 8:15:12 AM)

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ORIGINAL: frz411

What is black booting?


best I can figure out so far, its a shoe/boot shine




MsFlutter -> RE: Opinions on Shoe Worship (1/18/2009 8:20:01 AM)

foot worship = not so much
shoe worship = kisses, yes. Slobbering all over my lovely shooz/bootz is a hard limit
 
an earlier poster mentioned not having that mouth licking her shooz that she would later be kissing. I'm in agreement with this.




MsStarlett -> RE: Opinions on Shoe Worship (1/18/2009 9:47:26 AM)

Boot*black
–noun
a person who shines shoes and boots for a living.




darchChylde -> RE: Opinions on Shoe Worship (1/18/2009 9:56:47 AM)

I don't worship women, why would I worship their shoes?

To clarify, I'm adding a post I previously put up on the idea of worship in a D/s relationship:

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ORIGINAL: darchChylde

I don't worship Ma'am, online or in person.  Sure, i work my ass off for Her when She needs or simply asks me to; but i don't see how that has anything to do with "worship".

wor·ship  1chiefly British : a person of importance —used as a title for various officials (as magistrates and some mayors)

2: reverence offered a divine being or supernatural power; also : an act of expressing such reverence


3: a form of religious practice with its creed and ritual


4
: extravagant respect or admiration for or devotion to an object of esteem <worship of the dollar>
http://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/worship


Now, it looks to me that to worship somebody i would have to either deify (from definitions 2 and 3) them or objectify (definition 4) them.  I believe we can eliminate the latter as objectification of one's dominant is probably looked upon with disfavor in the majority of your acredited bdsm or Ds texts.

This leaves us deification of the dominant, which is particularly popular in many circles.  We see it all the time.  While I'm not going to say that another's expression of Ds is wrong (ok, i know i have before; but i'm trying to be more open-minded), i can confidently say that it is wrong for me.  I believe that when you treat somebody as something other than human, whether more than or less than, you run the risk of losing focus on the real person involved and that real person's real desires and needs.  Now I love Ma'am realistically, all of Her many great traits and qualities; and even Her faults and imperfections.  She isn't a goddess/ She is a real living, breathing wonderful woman. 

I wouldn't have Her any other way.





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