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allthatjaz -> RE: Pro-dommes (1/12/2009 8:41:46 AM)

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ORIGINAL: ALAstella

But it's not just the time and effort spent in the e-mails, the IM chats and the phone calls, there's also the additional expense of stuff such as stockings, clothing, cosmetics, because a lot of guys expect a domme to look the part too.

Then the simple solution is to offer to dominate him in an empty field in your levis. If your not a pro you owe nothing more than you offer.

Many expect to have the scene at her place, so she's got to have the equipment, and that too is an expense, not to mention the cleaning up afterwards.. and for what? To most guys the end of the scene comes when they've shot their wad and like it or not there's an awful lot of women out there who after the scene is over and all the stuff is cleaned up, the make up comes off together with the clothing go to sleep in a cold, empty bed.

Let us not forget that one of the most crucial elements of WIITWD and BDSM is consideration for the other person, and this is essential no matter who you are and what role you assume in WIITWD. Without it you get nowhere.

I disagree. When I look for a submissive I am looking for someone who likes/wants and needs what I like/want and need. My only consideration would be that they are safe, feel safe and the same for me. I need offer nothing more than my voice and my hand

However it appears that there's a lot of people out there who are simply not prepared to show any consideration for others, and I'm sorry, but I for one am not prepared to condemn these women for trying to get a little financial compensation for their time and effort spent with self-centred male submissives who can only think of their dick and what they are into.

Some do and some don't but the majority of submissives that I have met from this and other sites have been polite, considerate, unexpecting and a lot of fun. Its pretty obvious from the pervy mail (before you meet) if its just a bit of selfish titilation they are after.

This is not to say that I agree with the underhand way of trying to exploit a genuine male submissive (which I am assuming the OP is) but I can clearly see both sides here and I can understand quite clearly why some women do seek 'tributes'.

The thing is, its easy to go out and just get sex. Most men don't have to pay for it and anyway they are not or are highly unlikely to get sex from a pro Mistress so why would the ungenuine subs ever fall for someone who was trying to charge them for domination?






BondageBarbieX -> RE: Pro-dommes (1/12/2009 1:46:40 PM)

You can block profiles on here.. I think.. so you do not see them anymore..just block the Pro's and you won't have to mess with them.




footslaveinct -> RE: Pro-dommes (1/12/2009 2:11:24 PM)

I'll have to keep that in mind going forward. The adivice here form everyone has been really great, Thanks to you all and keep it coimng!




undergroundsea -> RE: Pro-dommes (1/12/2009 8:55:58 PM)

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ORIGINAL: footslaveinct
Sometimes the simplest idea is the best, you are absolutely right!


I think it would be good to balance the objective of determining whether one is seeking a relationship versus clients with the objective of not making the conversation unnecessarily awkward.

Rather than asking a woman with whom you are speaking if she is a pro, it might be better to emphasize what you seek, preferably through your profile.

Cheers,

Sea




undergroundsea -> RE: Pro-dommes (1/12/2009 9:12:45 PM)

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ORIGINAL: ALAstella
Just for a bit of perspective, the situation you describe in your OP is certainly no worse than that of many women on this site who also build up hopes after e-mails, IM chats and phone calls only to find all that the guy wants is a quick shag and that she means nothing more to him than sex.


To the extent you say that the OP's complaint is without basis because of the reason you give, I disagree. Saying that others also face difficulty does not change that one faces a difficulty. Surely you agree that if a domme complained about being led for selfish thrills, it would be inappropriate to marginalize her complaint by saying that men also get led on for money. In my opinion the same principle applies here.

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But it's not just the time and effort spent in the e-mails, the IM chats and the phone calls, there's also the additional expense of stuff such as stockings, clothing, cosmetics, because a lot of guys expect a domme to look the part too.


I think buying clothes is a choice. I buy fetish attire because I want to wear it. I expect a vast majority of women do so because they want to wear it, and want to achieve a look or feeling. I don't subscribe to the idea that a domme is compelled to buy clothes to appease subs.

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Many expect to have the scene at her place, so she's got to have the equipment, and that too is an expense, not to mention the cleaning up afterwards.. and for what? To most guys the end of the scene comes when they've shot their wad and like it or not there's an awful lot of women out there who after the scene is over and all the stuff is cleaned up, the make up comes off together with the clothing go to sleep in a cold, empty bed.


You are making it sound like a domme is a genie;  a sub wishes and she must provide. He wishes for clothes. She must go buy stocking. He wishes for equipment, she must go set up a dungeon. Each my experience and my intuition do not subscribe to this idea.

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I'm sorry, but I for one am not prepared to condemn these women for trying to get a little financial compensation for their time and effort spent with self-centred male submissives who can only think of their dick and what they are into.

This is not to say that I agree with the underhand way of trying to exploit a genuine male submissive (which I am assuming the OP is) but I can clearly see both sides here and I can understand quite clearly why some women do seek 'tributes'.


To the extent you suggest that tribute is a necessity, I disagree. Tribute is a choice and in my opinion it stems from the convenience of receiving money, and that demand allows it.

Cheers,

Sea




undergroundsea -> RE: Pro-dommes (1/12/2009 9:18:09 PM)

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ORIGINAL: CatdeMedici
those that are not pros but have become pros in seeking or gaining tribute or worse just flat trying to con--those aren't what we would define as Pros--but they are pros in fleecing  the unsuspecting sub giving Pros a bad name


I see authentic professional domination to have its value and agree that there are many who are not as authentic and give professional domination a bad name.

Cheers,

Sea




footslaveinct -> RE: Pro-dommes (1/13/2009 7:54:45 AM)

I can see from a lot of the discussion here that there may be several lifestyle dommes that are not pros, but many want to be paid for thier time. I don't know if this stems from bad encounters with insincere subs who were simply looking for kniky sex or what, but unfortunately the sincere subs will suffer for the insincere ones. Anyone can become a little jaded over time.




FullfigRIMAAM1 -> RE: Pro-dommes (1/13/2009 8:04:39 AM)

If, once you find a lady who has similar kinks as yourself, you approach her as simply a man who is interested in her, you will likely be more successful in finding someone with whom you can have a real connection or relationship. M




MistressDolly -> RE: Pro-dommes (1/13/2009 8:21:28 AM)

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ORIGINAL: footslaveinct

I can see from a lot of the discussion here that there may be several lifestyle dommes that are not pros, but many want to be paid for thier time. I don't know if this stems from bad encounters with insincere subs who were simply looking for kniky sex or what, but unfortunately the sincere subs will suffer for the insincere ones. Anyone can become a little jaded over time.


The reason she charges isn't always because she's had bad experiences with insincere subs; it is possible she's not that into you and doesn't want to get close with you in that way. It's often a matter of attraction and relational context.




BondageBarbieX -> RE: Pro-dommes (1/13/2009 10:56:00 AM)

I agree..this is not the site if you a re a pro Domme..seems the clientele is a bit low end ..I agree they should build a website.I am glad he fixed his profile..generous is equal to money in  the cyber world .I have dated pro Dommes and they have never taken  a dime from me and I am being courted by one now.Pro's do give freebies..at least I get them...




lobodomslavery -> RE: Pro-dommes (1/13/2009 11:04:42 AM)

for me servants are taken for granted misunderstood and exploited by manipulative dommes. dont get me wrong , some servants are silly and allow themselves to be exploited , they consent to it , they want it, but sometimes Mistress goes too far
like a woman ive been talking to recently, she keeps on asking me for money and wont let up, i keep telling her i dont have it, she keeps on saying , there are ways , there are ways, its as if she is trying to devise every conceivable way of getting money out of me, now i know she s kinda pro, but to me thats a bit tough
kevin




Lynnxz -> RE: Pro-dommes (1/13/2009 11:06:18 AM)

And why lobo, if she is a pro domme, should you get it for free? [>:]




lobodomslavery -> RE: Pro-dommes (1/13/2009 11:20:56 AM)

i just think She is being really hard on me. i gave her money a week ago . She knows my position yet She wants more. i think She is being too controlling. not unlike a lot of women out there i have to say.  even in the work place i ve come across plenty of control freaks much to my regret. i just wish She were a little more maternal and sympathetic, women are supposed to be kind and soft not harsh and demanding
kevin




OttersSwim -> RE: Pro-dommes (1/13/2009 11:26:14 AM)

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ORIGINAL: lobodomslavery

i just think She is being really hard on me. i gave her money a week ago . She knows my position yet She wants more. i think She is being too controlling. not unlike a lot of women out there i have to say.  even in the work place i ve come across plenty of control freaks much to my regret. i just wish She were a little more maternal and sympathetic, women are supposed to be kind and soft not harsh and demanding
kevin



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Lynnxz -> RE: Pro-dommes (1/13/2009 11:27:43 AM)

She's a pro domme, her current method of employment is dominating for money, not to cater to every broke dude out there.

As for "women are supposed to be...."

She can be whatever she wants dude, stop trying to force people to coddle you.




lobodomslavery -> RE: Pro-dommes (1/13/2009 11:28:15 AM)

and i have to say i agree with the OP, if it were sex , i could understand because nobody should sleep with a stranger for nothing but if its just friendship over the internet there should not be a charge. i mean a lot of Mistresses are making more than the subbies. Why would they want to take the little the sub has.  Classic example my Mistress wants tribute even tho i explained to her that i couldnt a week ago and explained the reasons why and i may add did not text her since then or email her or pm her told her i wanted to break it off actually yet She wont let it go, She was back to the tribute issue again today, She wont let me go either, Why cant a sub not walk away of his own accord, Does Mistress have the entitlement to fire her sub as well. Must sub stay with Mistress until She decides he can leave. its not very democratic
kevin




sirsholly -> RE: Pro-dommes (1/13/2009 11:29:48 AM)

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i just wish She were a little more maternal and sympathetic, women are supposed to be kind and soft not harsh and demanding
kevin

Kevin...if this is the case then she is not meeting your needs. Stop paying her and move on.




Lynnxz -> RE: Pro-dommes (1/13/2009 11:31:23 AM)

She 'Won't let you go" but then in the same breath you complain about dommes 'firing' their submissives.

Lobo, you'll never be happy with anything if you continue like this. You're going to keep aggravating everyone around you, because you insist on wallowing in self pity. Put on your big boy pants, and take responsibility for your own actions.




lobodomslavery -> RE: Pro-dommes (1/13/2009 11:32:41 AM)

im not asking for much just a bit of slack.  She also knows about my condition. She knows me for four years. She did not charge me til this year. Why start now. She was doing ok up to now, She was not penniless. 
kevin




lobodomslavery -> RE: Pro-dommes (1/13/2009 11:33:50 AM)

Should a sub be charged for just talking with a Mistress. Is that fair
kevin




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