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shibari- what's the best way to learn?? - 1/12/2009 9:14:29 AM   
cubletMS


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Status: offline 		Hello E/everyone- Master Stephen and i are fascinated by shibari. W/we would very much like to learn. Does A/anyone have any good info or experience on this? There seem to be plenty of books but is that really the best way? Are there classes available? Or would one on one teaching be more effective? Any replies would be great.
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RE: shibari- what's the best way to learn?? - 1/12/2009 9:18:51 AM   
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Status: offline 		Of course there are many books on the subject. There are also classes taught and one on one training. A combination of a little from all those different sources would be optimal.

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RE: shibari- what's the best way to learn?? - 1/12/2009 9:29:29 AM   
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Status: offline 		To really learn shibari, you need to move to Japan, live there and find a shibari sensei who will teach you. It has much to do with Japanese life and history in other words Japanese culture which can not be taught away from Japan unless you can find such a Japanese teacher outside the country...

However, I suspect you are interested in what may be refered to as Japanese style rope bondage based upon shibari forms. There are many excelent teachers in the USA, Canada, Australia, UK and Europe, of whom a number have ledarned in Japan..

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RE: shibari- what's the best way to learn?? - 1/12/2009 10:13:35 AM   
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Status: offline 		If you just want to play around like we do, pull up some videos on youtube on the laptop, and start tying up your S/O like the guy on the vid... done!

C just learned some basic ties, and the gist of how everything works, and then makes up his own stuff as he goes along.


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RE: shibari- what's the best way to learn?? - 1/12/2009 10:57:41 AM   
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Status: offline 		You tube has some really good videos.  Just start off slow, read as much as possible, and keep EMT sheers handy in case you have to cut the rope.

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RE: shibari- what's the best way to learn?? - 1/12/2009 11:01:00 AM   
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RE: shibari- what's the best way to learn?? - 1/14/2009 3:19:42 AM   
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Status: offline 		Look up knot tying.  The trick is in the knot.  Anybody can wrap rope.  I use to keep a rope by my chair and pratice knots, until I could tie the knot with my eyes closed.

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RE: shibari- what's the best way to learn?? - 1/14/2009 3:57:06 AM   
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Status: offline 		I have the 'Midori' book in my collection which i liked, personally, i tend to read this kind of thing for ideas and then inprovise my own technique using familiar knots and stuff. As has already been mentioned, Shibari is a much bigger subject than tying rope.

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RE: shibari- what's the best way to learn?? - 1/14/2009 8:01:38 AM   
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ORIGINAL: SailingBum

Look up knot tying.  The trick is in the knot.  Anybody can wrap rope.


Good advice. And there are plenty of websites for boy scouts, sailors and other knot tying types with good instructions on how to tie them and situations for using different knots.

edited to add: there are so many knots to chose from you might want want to start with a square knot for tying two ends together, and a bowline which can be used to tie around an arm or leg and then to something else. After that, well, knock yourself out trying others.


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RE: shibari- what's the best way to learn?? - 1/14/2009 8:03:13 AM   
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RE: shibari- what's the best way to learn?? - 2/8/2009 4:35:18 PM   
Esinem


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Status: offline 		As a purist, it is quite hard finding sites with genuine shibari, but plenty with 'shambari', i.e. that which is incorrectly passed of as shibari, or blends of East and West in neobari or fusion bondage, e.g. TKB. This is not to denigrate 'shambari', merely to point out misnaming. Give me good shambari over crap shibari any day Virtually all books in English depict a Westernised version, not real kinbaku. The differences are quite specific but hard for the untrained eye to identify. To see the real deal, check out Airsue Go's Five Rings series (www.jogoya.com), in Japanese but copiously illustrated. Video's by Randa Mai and Nureki Chimuo. You can also see good work at www.tokyobound.com and www.suguiranorio.jp

I hear Zamil of Art Sensual, Berlin, is going to the US. I strongly recommend seeking him out as I reckon he's the best in the West when it comes to kinbaku. Over your side of The Pond, Master K certainly knows his stuff.

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RE: shibari- what's the best way to learn?? - 2/8/2009 5:36:00 PM   
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Status: offline 		Living in SF, I have been lucky enough to take classes from almost all of the people who have books out.  First time I saw JD of two knotty boys it was in a casket showroom, swear to god!

I like The Two Knotty Boys book, on amazon it is like $10 bucks and covers plenty.  Don't buy Jay Wiseman's book.  I like Lee Harrington's book although I haven't bought a copy yet.  Midori's book is expensive but wonderful although I wouldn't buy it for your first or your only book.

And for once, I agree with Sailbum, get a cheap book on knots and practice,practice, practice.

First time I did it, I held Screw The Roses in one hand and tied with the other and fell in love with both the woman and rope, loved rope ever since.

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RE: shibari- what's the best way to learn?? - 2/8/2009 5:58:04 PM   
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Status: offline 		The Knotty Boys are wonderful, and one of them used me as a demo in their rope suspension class once, but they don't bill their ropework as shibari, per se, even though it is influenced by it. Midori is more of a shibari specialist. Classes or co-topping with someone who is familiar with a particular technique is probably the easiest way to learn new techniques, but experimenting on your own with books/video works, too!

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RE: shibari- what's the best way to learn?? - 2/8/2009 6:04:54 PM   
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Status: offline 		I subscribe to a very strict definition of Shibari, you must be binding prisoners you captured in mortal combat using swords...anything less is for pussies...

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RE: shibari- what's the best way to learn?? - 2/8/2009 7:36:38 PM   
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Status: offline 		Unless you're planning on doing something potentially dangerous like suspension, books and videos and practice will do you just fine.

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RE: shibari- what's the best way to learn?? - 2/8/2009 7:54:18 PM   
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Status: offline 		Hey, I'm not nitpicky about it, SimplyMichael, just that they don't claim to be doing shibari, and that was what the OP was looking for, rather than decorative ropework in general.

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RE: shibari- what's the best way to learn?? - 2/8/2009 8:22:06 PM   
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Status: offline 		Has anyone read Shibari You Can Use: Japanese Rope Bondage and Erotic Macramé by Lee, "Bridgett" Harrington? Is it comparable/a companion to Two Knotty Boys?

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RE: shibari- what's the best way to learn?? - 2/9/2009 2:57:20 AM   
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for those who want to practice on a human form that won't get tired, cranky, hungry (or demand to be untied),  consider a full body dress form with arms & legs such as those used by clothing designers. 

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RE: shibari- what's the best way to learn?? - 2/9/2009 5:14:31 AM   
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RE: shibari- what's the best way to learn?? - 2/9/2009 5:47:32 AM   
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Status: offline 		Lee's book is great for folk who want to be spoken to in a voice that is fun and encourages you to enjoy being an artist with rope. Lee comes from the philosophy of make rope available to every one and follow your own personal erotic authenticity.

Jd is also someone I love dearly, and his voice is about the joy of rope itself, the joy of keeping it simple and his deep love for the technicality of ropework comes through in his many pictures and intricate explanations.

They are both great books. I have had the chance to see the book two naughty boys are coming out with next and WOW it will blow folks minds with the sheer versatility of rope.




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