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SentForu -> Definitions (8/11/2004 5:03:17 AM)

What's the difference between top and Dom, bottom and sub?


Thanks in advance,
Myra




NightDaughter -> RE: Definitions (8/11/2004 6:41:01 AM)

Some people say that there is no differance from a Top and Dom, however others says that a Top is a person who enjoys topping another, but who is not looking for a D/s or M/s type relationship, where as a Dominant is a person with a dominant aspect in their personality.

A sub and bottom, again some people say that there is no differance, but then again some say that a bottom is a person who will submit to another but within very strict guildlines and negociation<sp?> normaly for a play scene, a bottom may or may not have submissive feelings. Where as a sub though like a bottom will submit, might have fewer restrictions and by nauture is naturally submissive to a dominant personality or person they choose to submit to.

well not necessarly the best deffinitions, but its one view that I've come across over the years (put in my own words).

luck to you on your journey for knowledge




darkinshadows -> RE: Definitions (8/11/2004 7:09:57 AM)

Personal opinion only...

A Top and a Bottom describe the position of people within a dynamic (during specific times).

A Dominant controls the dynamic within limitations discussed beforehand and a submissive surrenders to such. However a Dominant can be a Top or bottom... and the submissive can be the bottom or the Top, depending upon their individual joint dynamics of factors/fetish/etc.

I hope my written example is clear enough.




Sylverdawn -> RE: Definitions (8/11/2004 7:39:13 AM)

Within the general context there is no difference

it becomes more difficult inside a specifc context depending on the community that you are interacting with there are no differences.

In Leather.. Top is a person who has the skills required to carry out a scene.. DOminant is a person who enjoys Dominating another through D/s ... Master is a person who has been recognized as a mentor within the community who's skills both inside the bedroom so to speak and outside are seen as worthy of that title. Daddy is a person who enjoys the moulding, tutoring guiding authoritarian role

bottom is a person who has the skills required to participate in a scene on the receiving end. Submissive is a person who identifies as being in a state of deference to another whose personality is submissive. Slave is a person in a state of willing service to another. boi/boy/gurl/girl is a person whose identity is that of a younger person in need of paternal guidance.




TallDarkAndWitty -> RE: Definitions (8/11/2004 7:54:21 AM)

quote:

ORIGINAL: SentForu
What's the difference between top and Dom, bottom and sub?


What follows are my definitions of the various roles in BDSM. They are not , in any way, shape, or form, universally accepted. You can, however, feel free to use them in this and other forums, and if you use them consistently (and with enough repetition) people will probably begin to understand what you say.

slave - one who enjoys being owned
servant - one who enjoys performing service
submissive - one who enjoys being controlled
masochist - one who enjoys physical or emotional pain
bottom - a slave, servant, submissive, or masochist

owner - one who enjoys owning another human
master - one who enjoys being serverd
dominant - one who enjoys controlling another human
sadist - one who enjoys inflicting physical or emotional pain
top - a owner, master, dominant, or sadist

All (or some (or none)) of these desires could exist in the same person to various degrees. On my website I go into these differences in some detail (http://bdsm.taggard.net).

Yours,
Taggard




afmvdp -> RE: Definitions (8/11/2004 8:02:56 AM)

I often see usage of Top/bottom terms used by switches as the roles change too often to accept a Dominant/submissive relation which has more long term implications.




January -> RE: Definitions (8/11/2004 10:02:26 AM)

Hi,

I'm not going to address the defintion of slave or Dominant here because whole huge, long threads (which go around the world eighteen times) have already been devoted to arguing about these definitions.

But I will give my definition of bottom, as that's what I consider myself. A bottom is happily involved in the SM side of bdsm. A bottom is a masochist, usually uninterested in D/s rituals.

There are some real kick-ass bottoms who post on the board, so I guess I should refer to myself as a bottomlet.

But I won't. I'm saving the bottomlet definitionlet for my new website. <--- this is a joke.

January




LadyShoshin -> RE: Definitions (8/11/2004 10:07:04 AM)

My opinion only, garnered from 5 years in real life BDSM community.

This will be very simplified and general, but please bear with me.

Top(may be time limited activity)Into the physical play, not into ownership or long term domination --------------------------Dominant Into both physical, mental domination and possibly ownership (the dotted lines represent a continuum, a person may fit anywhere along that continuum) There is no better than or more "twue" than.

Bottom(may be time limited activity)Into the physical aspect of play, may serve as part of scene, but the scene is on their terms in that what happens has been previously negotiated and approved by the bottom -----------------------Submissive Into service and submission to another person, after negotiations, gives up control, in a relationship may find limits being pushed. Again each person may fit anywhere along the continuum and there is no better than or more "twue" than.

I wrote an article for an e-zine and as the author am free to reproduce it here.

Because I am a switch, I am able to access two facets of my personality, the Dominant and the submissive. I was asked to consider writing about why, for now, I have chosen to set aside my submissiveness and look for a stable of part time male subs.

My reason for the change can be summed up in one word, CONTROL. While bottoming I offer up my control to someone I trust to have my best interests at heart. There are very few I have ever given full control to.

I am writing this in my journal, sitting on a hospital bed as my roommate spins tales about her past. I sit waiting for a doctor to come back and grant me a pass, waiting for an insurance company to deem me worthy of coverage for my illness.

Last year an employer took away my control of my life by drastically changing my job, since then I have felt my personal control slipping away like sand through my fingers.

Losing my choices in vanilla life, I turn to my kink life to reestablish a sense of empowerment. The awareness that male subs expect someone strong and in control make me reach deep within myself for the resources I know are there.

Being vulnerable to outside forces in my vanilla life has made me put a protective wall around the vulnerability I feel when submitting. I have bottomed to a trusted Dom friend, but the sub is tucked away. For me, submission means voluntarily giving over control to another human being, putting myself body, heart, mind and soul into the hands of another. Bottoming for me is a physical release, a catharsis, early on in my BDSM journey, I discovered that physical pain can help me to access emotional pain and let go of it. Bottoming still allows me to reach deep within myself for that dark place where I can fly. Fortunately I have been in the lifestyle long enough that I have taken note of who is trustworthy to help me reach that place.

Interviewing men for positions as part time submissives allows me to practice a range of play from soft and sensual to harsh and demanding. It also helps me avoid deep emotional attachments before I have worked through my current issues and regained a sense of autonomy in my life. Because I am taking on several part time submissives, I am not focusing all of my attention and feelings on one person, it helps me keep an arm’s length attitude to the relationship. I find in interviewing male submissives that I am the one in control; I listen to their conversation and take note of anything that stands out as something they crave or something they want to avoid. If they are interested in activities that I don’t care for I have the freedom to say no and have it stick as opposed to being interviewed by a Dom who would suggest that in time we will push that limit. I have become the limit pusher. Bottoming gives me the chance to go to a Dom with a certain skill I want to experience and ask if they would be willing to Top me, we negotiate my limits and because it is not an ongoing play relationship, there is no talk of gradually pushing my boundaries. Even as bottom, I still maintain the control.

I meet submissives in a public place and talk one to one on a human basis, not as Domme/sub, but I caution them, that should I decide to take them on, they will not find me as accommodating and polite. I also warn them to be careful what they ask me to help them improve in their lives, like punctuality or manners as that is what I will become very strict about and be meticulous in demanding improvement. As a submissive, I would be the one bowing to a Dom’s wishes and striving for improvement according to their timetable. As it is now, I am undergoing self improvement at my own rate under my own conditions.

I am entering a time of introspection and study, finding a path that will carry me into retirement and beyond. Whether I will ever submit to anyone ever again is something I cannot predict, how my path will impact my BDSM lifestyle is also an unknown for now.

But in the here and now I am focusing on my spirituality and my domination, both of which are returning to me a sense of the personal control that has been taken from me.

Strangely enough, in my vanilla life, I am declaring bankruptcy and rather than feeling out of control, as I have been, the process is returning my feeling of getting a handle on my life. This is reflected in my increasing empowerment in my BDSM life.




Leonidas -> RE: Definitions (8/11/2004 10:13:36 AM)

A top spins around and around. A sub goes under water. Bottoms help you stand upright, and are useful for sitting on, but have other recreational uses that provide hours of fun and enjoyment. Nobody is really sure what a Dom is. It seems that those who have the strongest opinions about it claim not to be one, so it's somewhat mysterious.

Hope this helps.




Sylverdawn -> RE: Definitions (8/11/2004 10:18:37 AM)

Isnt Dom the french Monk who invented bubbly wine??? Peringeon something or other???




SentForu -> RE: Definitions (8/11/2004 12:41:34 PM)

Thanks to all who responded. I think I somewhat understand it a little better now. The comedy is always a nice touch.....[;)]




MistressDREAD -> RE: Definitions (8/11/2004 12:52:51 PM)

Is it just Me or are all the kind of newbies but not really newbies cause they got like a 100 posts asking repetitive questions again? HEY MEMBERS every single solitary thing You want to know about is allready posted on the Boards sum where, so get to get to reading!!! All this repetiveness is getting down right yukkie..................... wonders what happened to the Mods whom use to move posts next to ones that they matched or were similar in context............[:o]THINKS it might be time for Me to make a ruckus again~~~~[8|]




SentForu -> RE: Definitions (8/11/2004 1:09:59 PM)

MistressDREAD,
If that was a reference to my asking a simple question, I am NOT offended. Now, one thing though, if I had read it before, and knew the difference, I WOULD NOT have asked. I have not seen this asked before, and will not be detoured from asking anything I happen to be wondering about here. This is a forum, open for discussion. Yes, I am about as new as a person can get, though not completely ignorant. Now, take care of yourself.




SentForu -> RE: Definitions (8/11/2004 1:11:44 PM)

Besides, if it were me getting tired of the same questions over and over by the newbies, I would not respond.....[:D]




MistressDREAD -> RE: Definitions (8/11/2004 3:34:16 PM)


actually I wasent responding to you
the post just fell in that order after U.
but it can include you if Ya want
~smiles~ of course you can ask
any thing you want but sooner
or later after those of Us whom
have repeated Our self a gazzillion
times get tired everyone will leave
and then everyone whom does
come to the board will actually
have to read it first befor asking
questions. Ive been on boards
online for 16 years and have seen
where many of them go and actually
this was kind of put in place here to
wake up the Mods a bit........... dont
worry Sent youll get use to Me in time.
Theres always a method to My madness.




SentForu -> RE: Definitions (8/11/2004 4:12:39 PM)

MistressDREAD,
Noted, and thanks.

New people to this site,
Please, read back as far as you can before asking ANY questions. We wouldn't wanna upset anyone...lol. Sorry, had to make a smartass remark. Actually, I just did something I posted about earlier. Disrespecting diversity. You have your opinion, I have mine...[:D]
I guess I see it like this, if it was just posted recently, I can understand getting all annoyed. However, if it was somewhere "way back when", I see it differently.

Ya'll take care,
Myra




MistressDREAD -> RE: Definitions (8/11/2004 4:20:58 PM)

oHHH WHERES proud sub when Ya need her?
Im sure proudsub knows where ALLLL the
definition posts are from today, yesterday,
this week, last week, this month, last month...
the beginning of the year ect ect ect .....
its nice to know that sumone
can make a comment about diversity and
in the same day go against the same comment.
LOL
now who looks just a bit whack?
We all have Our definitions posted is the point
and they are all just as diverse as day is to night.
All of them Right, None of them wrong!




afmvdp -> RE: Definitions (8/11/2004 4:24:24 PM)

Actually a Dom is a title for male members of Portuguese and Brazilian royalty, aristocracy, and hierarchy or the Benedictine and Carthusian monks in major or minor orders in the Roman Catholic church. Also the slang term for a resident of the Dominican Republic despite their inferiority with cigars to it's black sheep brother Cuba.




SentForu -> RE: Definitions (8/11/2004 4:39:46 PM)

MistressDREAD,
Of course !!!!!! After reading your post, now I know the secret to world peace. (Yet, another smartass remark) As for my making a comment about diversity and going against it. Not necessarily, I started out kinda mean, then thought better. Am I "whack"???? Now, I don't think you are in any position to judge that in the first place. You don't personally know me.

True, all of ya'll seem to have different definitions. That's what I was trying to get out in the first place. It's the variety. That's how you learn. At any rate, I'm not one for arguments anymore. I grew out of that when I hit mid-teen years.

Just to keep it civil, and to let ya know I'm not a bad person, I totally respect your thoughts and issues. The way you present them are just fine with me.

LOL, I thoroughly end this before anything is said that might be taken wrongly.

Ya'll have a great day,
Myra....[;)]




iwillserveu -> RE: Definitions (8/11/2004 5:22:56 PM)

I asume you want "to me" definitions. I can be wrong by a book, but can't be wrong about what I think.[:)]

Top-Bottom describes BDSM play activity that will not leave the bedroom. If she gets tied up and spanked by her "Master" then watches TV while he does the dishes she was being a bottom and he was being a top.

If he watches the game while she does the dishes naked, she is a sub and he is a Dom.




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