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subtee -> RE: Just words or something sinister (1/13/2009 2:46:20 PM)

You're right constitutionally and linguistically. However, I don't think you can decide for another whether they should or should not be offended. If the objection is the "shoulds" of PC, isn't it hypocritical to decide what others should think and feel?



NorthernGent -> RE: Just words or something sinister (1/13/2009 2:52:15 PM)

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ORIGINAL: hizgeorgiapeach

to incite people to indignation or rage.



I'd estimate there are very few people offended by his comments.

The issue is one of utility. Surely the highest position in the land comes complete with an obligation toward tolerance for all groups residing in the land. If not, I'd suggest we've reverted to a society ordered by religious and political preference, i.e. the 16th century.



Aneirin -> RE: Just words or something sinister (1/13/2009 4:59:48 PM)

I don't support the Royal family, they are not my vision of how Britain should be, but the Royal family exist for now, and that is that. But, those that are the Royal family, those that are born into it, do you not think that perhaps it has crossed their mind, 'why me'. The young royals, are they free, I think not, they may have so much at their disposal, such wealth and privlidge, but it means absolutely nothing, if it hinders the spirit, they can't be themselves and develop as themselves, then royalty is a prison.and the royals, prisoners to the press and all others that seek to document their lives. I for one would not accept their position for all the gold in the world, if it meant my life was on show to all and sundry to comment or ridicule and live my life suspecting those who are not royal but closest of what wealth they may make for a snippet of information concerning myself.

Disband the royals, a desire of so many, hey tax payers money saved, but will we see any of that saving, I think not, as once taxes are pillaged, they are gone for good and where they go, we seem unable to say, we have elected those to speak in our name, they not willing to jeopardise their position will say 'yay' to where saved money goes, they do not speak for those that put them there.

So why is Harry getting all the shit, when William seems so golden, is it that whoever decides, has decided William is the boy most golden and Harry the poor relation of. He is doing his thing as far as he is allowed, many mistakes he has made, but show me another who is devoid of the learning curve. As to his comments on a video marked private, he has no blame for comments made and recognised by his friends, including those about whom the comments were made.

Whoever leaked this private video to the press should be found and their motives examined, and then may comments be made.

What a person calls another in endearment, if that name is accepted in the right manner, who is anyone else to comment.



Arpig -> RE: Just words or something sinister (1/13/2009 5:04:01 PM)

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What does offend you?

Surprisingly little



hizgeorgiapeach -> RE: Just words or something sinister (1/13/2009 5:10:41 PM)

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ORIGINAL: subtee

You're right constitutionally and linguistically. However, I don't think you can decide for another whether they should or should not be offended. If the objection is the "shoulds" of PC, isn't it hypocritical to decide what others should think and feel?


Yes - which is one of the reasons why I so detest the whole Political Correctness thing - it's based on someone else telling me I "should" be offended by this or that, and getting snotty if I Don't find the Same things offensive that they do.  I honestly don't Care if they get Offended by something.  Word, deed, whatthehell ever.  I consider them stupid - in an amusing Homer Simpson not quite smart enough to actually think for themselves sort of way - but I'm not about to let it raise some word raise my blood pressure.  Nor am I going to let their sense of indignation over my snickering at them for letting Their blood pressure rise going to do so.  I guess I've simply gotten to the point of tit for tat - if those who are on the political correctness bandwagon feel they have the Right to tell me what I "should" feel or be offended by, they open themselves up to the rest of us having the Right to tell them what they should Not feel or be offended by.  Taste of their own medicine, so to speak.



Aneirin -> RE: Just words or something sinister (1/13/2009 5:16:44 PM)

Woe the day kink ever becomes pc.



came4U -> RE: Just words or something sinister (1/13/2009 5:40:02 PM)

This is not the first time that unroyal punk has put his foot into it.

Harry says sorry for Nazi costume


Prince Harry was photographed at a friend's fancy dress partyPrince Harry has apologised for wearing a swastika armband to a friend's fancy dress party.
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/uk_news/4170083.stm

This apology is just as insincere since he apologizes for calling his buddy a 'paki' and that he didn't mean to insult 'him'.  It isn't an insult to the guy because:
"The Princes and other royalty have called him that since I first met him. He's never been upset about that. It's an affectionate nickname, after all."  of course he didn't say anything, anyone who wants to be pals with this type of person allows themselves to be humiliated, his loss of self worth and up to him.

As far as the military episode....He insults all Pakistani people (some of which are members of the British military) by refering to them as some lesser form of being.

I tire of them all, these royals and their distinct foul behaviour against anyone who isn't within their ideals of their 'elite' society of floating pondscum.  Anyone who has been trained to be at public best at all times knows better, slip of the tongue my a$$.  This brat-boy is disgusting beyond words.

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GimpinDenial -> RE: Just words or something sinister (1/13/2009 5:51:17 PM)

I often refer to my Cracker friends as Honkeys.......
Mainly because I am from Detroit..... even though I am whiter than antarctic snow





soul2share -> RE: Just words or something sinister (1/13/2009 6:01:28 PM)

The British media are even better at the "make a mountain out of a molehill" issue than the US press is, but quite frankly, yeah, that's my thought.....I've done time in uniform, and we had some of the strangest nicknames for our buddies....based upon race, gender, geographical location, physical features, even from boneheaded stunts they've done in the past........in my current job, I'm reffered to often, and behind my back (damn cowards!) as a Bitch......funnier than hell when I've actually caught them using the term, mainly because the only thing I tell them is that  they'd better be smiling when they say that!

As for releasing the video...I hope the person got exactly what was coming...a good ass beating.....and not in the good way!  Betrayal by "friends" sucks no matter who you are!



pahunkboy -> RE: Just words or something sinister (1/13/2009 8:06:40 PM)

..he did apologize.

many of us at age 20 were not the example.  the media is all about distraction.

the royal family ... is over rated.       I would make a horrible subject.  I think they all are full of BS and a front for the big banking families of Europe the past 500 years.



Huntertn -> RE: Just words or something sinister (1/13/2009 8:39:20 PM)

I guess when I was called yank while station in Scottland for 2 years was bad too? hell, I thought it was kool even if I am from the Southern USA



MissSepphora1 -> RE: Just words or something sinister (1/13/2009 9:21:57 PM)

I was called Mayberry by the non-whites I worked with when I lived in California.  I was very much the minority.  Coming from a lily white state like WV, I didn't realize I should be offended.  Perhaps I should have sued for harrassment.



suhlut -> RE: Just words or something sinister (1/13/2009 9:34:32 PM)

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ORIGINAL: MissSepphora1

Just as a side note, hasn't Harry gotten 100 times hotter than William as they've gotten older?  Or is that just my perverted old mind?


Yick no... William has and always will be the hotter of the two..at least in my opinion. He is a male clone of his mother. And she was beautiful. William possesses the same beauty, but in all male form.. mmm hmm



beargonewild -> RE: Just words or something sinister (1/13/2009 9:55:15 PM)

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ORIGINAL: Aneirin


What a person calls another in endearment, if that name is accepted in the right manner, who is anyone else to comment.



And this seems to be the the whole point to the apparent controversy. I fail to see how a word can be considered being racist when it is use between two people and neither finds the term offensive. It only becomes offensive when one or the other does object to said terminology. Both know and understand that the context of how that nickname is used isn't done to be degrading or spiteful.



MadAxeman -> RE: Just words or something sinister (1/14/2009 1:07:26 AM)

It's all about context.
The word in question is not inherently offensive, he called an Asian officer a 'Paki' which is short for 'Pakistani' however in Britain the meaning has changed and in the 70s-90s meant 'get out of my country you unwelcome piece of s***' and was rightly considered a brutal remark. Nowadays many of the younger Pakistani community use it as an abbreviation for theirselves. I doubt the prince was too aware of that though. Many of the older asian community still find this offensive as they recall it's previous nastier use.
What the clip does illustrate is the way those of the patrician officer class and royalty in particular are out of touch with what may cause offence among the wider populace. Surely part of his life long training would be how to address and refer to people of all types?
He is destined to meet a huge variety of people while performing his royal duties. As has been said before, he may have inherited his grandfather's propensity for gormless natural arseholiness.



GreedyTop -> RE: Just words or something sinister (1/14/2009 1:30:42 AM)

MA.. but the quote was apprently taken from a PRIVATE video, and the allegedly racist comments werent seen as such by the people that he was supposedly offending (Sooty and Paki).

What bugs me is that the PRIVATE stuff was released and now the press is pouncing on it. Despite of the fact that, in the case of  MR. Dhillon, it wasnt considered offensive.



MissMorrigan -> RE: Just words or something sinister (1/14/2009 1:47:23 AM)

Unfortunately, when you are in the public eye there is no such thing as privacy.

I agree that context is everything and the alarming fact is that should my Indian friend and I be overheard hurling racial insults at one another (we have done from day one of our friendship which has spanned over ten years and initiated by my friend originally) the situation would be deemed as my racially abusing him, yet he would be 'defending' himself in turn.

Political Correctness, while introduced to minimise prejudice against minority groups (these also include prejudice against gender and disabilities), has been taken to the extreme, it's intention abused by those plying their own agendas, and is now seen in a highly negative aspect.

What draws us together as human beings are our cultures, our varying ethnicities, our thoughts, insights, experiences and relationship and as a result, there will always be those who will see racial terms as acceptable descriptors, and those who want to remove this perceived offensive language from our societies regardless of context.



MsTrees -> RE: Just words or something sinister (1/14/2009 2:09:23 AM)

I'm rarely comfortable using racist words even as terms of endearment because if overheard by someone who doesn't know me and the relationship I have with the other person, it might give them the go-ahead to use that kind of language around me or have them thinking I am disrespectful at best.
But I do enjoy private conversations and inside jokes among friends and it is a shame that people will rush to judge. That is what I took this story to be someone stirring things up in someone else's business. So who's the hater??



MissMorrigan -> RE: Just words or something sinister (1/14/2009 2:29:28 AM)

When my friend and I engage in such playful banter there's just the two of us but I am ever mindful of the fact that when this occurs via the telephone (he lives in California now) only my side of the conversation can be overheard and that no walls are without ears.

Jealousy is such an ugly trait and my bets are on someone who has the 'he should be with his own kind' mentality and is highly resentful of the camaraderie Harry shares with his fellow comrades. The same can be said of the informant who has revealed some of Charles' private conversations to the public - he harbours resentment serving a person who is deemed 'privileged' but will ass-kiss for monetary gain - says more about him than it does Charles.

I urge anyone, who hasn't already done so, to see Gran Torino.



MadAxeman -> RE: Just words or something sinister (1/14/2009 2:45:43 AM)

I have black relatives by marriage and mixed race ones from the second generation. The younger ones call me nword (I'm so white you could read by my skin) and it's funny to them. I still am uncomfortable with repeating it back. Am not easily offended or ardently PC. Have been in various groups where brutal humour was commonplace, and would be devastated if remarks had escaped to the outside world.
On radio5live the day after the prince furore there were vox pops from military types saying it was OK, young asians saying they didn't care and older asians who were offended.
I think it's healthy that people are in the main relaxed about the lack of power of words from a foolish tit and have been more outraged at the betrayal by a so called friend of Harry's.
It doesn't shield the fact that he is a complete berk.



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