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Gag Questions - 1/6/2006 10:50:10 AM   
Phantom1017


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In your experience, what is the most effective type of gag to:

  • completely silence a sub/slave?
  • permit a sub/slave to emit no more than a very soft, quiet "mmmph" (no intelligible speech)
  • speak, but nearly unintelligibly. (possibly, this one might be a ballgag)

How long can each of these types of gags be worn?

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RE: Gag Questions - 1/6/2006 11:19:45 AM   
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  • permit a sub/slave to emit no more than a very soft, quiet "mmmph" (no intelligible speech)
    How long can each of these types of gags be worn?


  • Only gags I use are ball gags, and I make sure they are just large enough for my slave to let out mmphs.

    Longest she's worn it so far is a about an hour

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    RE: Gag Questions - 1/6/2006 2:42:05 PM   
    GQponyboy


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    I have found that harness panel gags are THE best way to keep a slave quiet. Speaking from experience, I have not muttered anything while wearing it. It is also relatively comfortable to wear, being that there is so much support.

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    RE: Gag Questions - 1/7/2006 1:20:38 AM   
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    lol....just asked my Domme what She would use to shut me up...Her suggestion was sock/underwear in mouth, followed by stocking and then tape.....the length of time it can be worn for depending largely on how dry the mouth gets...a clean sock with some water on it could last longer than a dry sock which would dry the mouth out

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    RE: Gag Questions - 1/7/2006 6:43:44 AM   
    LadyJulieAnn


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    Oooh- nice gag. I'm a fan of layered gags as well.

    Be well,
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    RE: Gag Questions - 1/7/2006 7:06:34 AM   
    MasterLark


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    quote:

    ORIGINAL: Phantom1017

    In your experience, what is the most effective type of gag to:

    • completely silence a sub/slave?
    • permit a sub/slave to emit no more than a very soft, quiet "mmmph" (no intelligible speech)
    • speak, but nearly unintelligibly. (possibly, this one might be a ballgag)

    How long can each of these types of gags be worn?


    My preference is a panel gag, with an attached soft leather mouth-filler, with several straps that buckle the gag tight. A ballgag is a favorite but she can make too much sound. Nothing like a soft quiet "mmmph" to arouse. How long to wear this? I would not suggest more than one hour, though it very much depends on the sub/slave physical condition, past experience, and health.

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    RE: Gag Questions - 1/7/2006 2:39:23 PM   
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    quote:

    ORIGINAL: Phantom1017

    In your experience, what is the most effective type of gag to:
  • completely silence a sub/slave?


  • Is chloroform a gag?
    Excepting the use of general anaesthetics, nothing, but nothing, will completely silence a playmate, short of them keeping quiet.

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  • permit a sub/slave to emit no more than a very soft, quiet "mmmph" (no intelligible speech)


  • An idea that works...
    Requirements:
    (1) a thin polyester or silk (cheap silk) square scarf (approx 30" to 36" on a side);
    (2) cotton wool (don't know what it is called in the States, but it is white fluffy fabric, used for removing makeup and other beauty treatments) - the type made in rolls not balls or pads;
    (3) either VetWrap / EquiWrap / VetBandage or crepe bandage and some medical adhesive tape.
    Instructions:
    (1) Lay the scarf on a bed, facing you as a diamond rather than a square (i.e. a point towards, you, a point facing away, and a point both left and right).
    (2) Fold the top corner to the middle, and the bottom corner to the middle, making a squashed hexagon shape (a point still exists left and right, but a straight folded edge is now top and bottom).
    (3) Down the vertical middle of the scarf (from about 1" from the middle of the top folded edge to about 1" from the middle of the bottom folded edge) run a line of cotton wool about 1" wide. Adjust this width to suit your playmate's mouth size. The wider the width of the cotton wool, the wider in the mouth the eventual gag will be. The longer the line of cotton wool the thicker (greater diameter) the gag will be.
    (4) Roll the scarf from the bottom folded edge all the way to the top folded edge, keeping the cotton wool neat.
    (5) End result - a good-looking scarf gag ("cleave gag") that actually has some biteable substance.
    (6) However, for the effect that the original poster required, "very soft, quiet "mmmph" (no intelligible speech)", wrap your playmate's gagged mouth with five or six turns of VetWrap (medical grade cohesive bandage), from the columella-labial angle (the junction between the columella - the fleshy strip between the nostrils - and the philtrum (the gently dimpled groove in the top lip) to the point of the jaw.
    (7) After that, tease your playmate to distraction (as is your wont), and determine whether or not they are making quiet "mmmph" noises or not.
    (8) Discard cotton wool at end of game, and launder the scarf.
    (9) Repeat as necessary to get a representative sample of experimental results.
    (10) As an alternative to VetWrap, use athletic or medical crepe bandage, and apply adhesive tape over the top of it. This may be far more likely to slip off or be rubbed off. VetWrap also comes in cool colours!

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  • speak, but nearly unintelligibly. (possibly, this one might be a ballgag)


  • As other posters have commented on, panel-assisted ballgags are ideal (see the section devoted to panel style gags at BDSM toybox - https://www.bdsmtoybox.com/index.asp?PageAction=VIEWCATS&Category=113 - which has about 20 of them. I actually have "453T Panel Gag Trainer" in my collection, and it is, fairly speaking, the most effective gag I have.

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    How long can each of these types of gags be worn?


    Difficult to answer without knowing what the playtime was like, but since you should be observing your gagged playmate contninuously while they are gagged, and shouldn't be playing if they have a potential problem (like a nose full of cold), then you should be judging that on a minute by minute basis.

    Hope this helps.

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    RE: Gag Questions - 1/8/2006 11:29:03 AM   
    MasterLark


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    Phantom--

    I wonder what experience you've had so far with keeping your sub/slave very quiet. What have you tried that so far worked best? What hasn't worked for you?

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    RE: Gag Questions - 1/11/2006 1:31:27 PM   
    hmph


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    it all depends on the desired emotional effect as well. Ball gag just looks serious- you are definitely looking gagged or crammed. Penis gag is nice if you message is one of service or forced bi for male sub. Bit gag makes one appear ready to ride. My favorite in appearance is a strong well fitting ring gagged. Can make some sounds, but more importantly gaggee is open and read to s...

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    RE: Gag Questions - 1/11/2006 2:15:40 PM   
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    the best for me is a penis or pump gag . Ball gags i can almost speak completely through

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    RE: Gag Questions - 1/12/2006 11:29:50 AM   
    Daedalus84


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    Ring gags work for me anyway, im with hmph. They look good, they cut of speech mostly, and they leave... access

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    RE: Gag Questions - 1/12/2006 12:02:44 PM   
    MistressOfGa


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    The best gag that I use is my mouth. I tell him not to speak, moan, or make any kind of noise and he doesnt. Same with restraining him. I dont have to use restraints, although I do, but simply ordering him not to move, he wont move. I tell him not to speak he wont.
    But for the fun of it, I do use a ball-gag on him.

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    RE: Gag Questions - 1/18/2006 5:45:25 PM   
    vegeta


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    All gags are good if you play safely.

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    RE: Gag Questions - 1/23/2006 9:18:39 AM   
    Phantom1017


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    That's just the problem, MasterLark... I have no experience as yet, except for the hand-over-the-mouth variety (with a folded bandana between her lips and my hand. I need the information prior to investing in a few gags — unless the gag is a homemade type.

    Further, since I no longer have access to a play partner (I'm currently trying to search for one), it's sort of hard to experiement, so I need, at this point, to rely on what experience others have until such time as I find someone.

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    RE: Gag Questions - 1/26/2006 8:24:07 AM   
    Bristolowner


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    Well here is some food for thought from my experiences:

    1) There are few if any gags that truly silence an individual.
    2) A gagged bottom must still be able to interact with the top if there is an issue.
    3) Most gags look good but only muffle the sounds. (Which I happen to find exciting!)
    4) Most gags when worn a long time will cause the bottom to drool. (I also find this exciting!)

    Ball gags come in many styles and sizes, be sure to size the gag to the bottom, an 1/8th of an inch can make a world of difference. They look sexy as hell but really they only muffle and as said before, some bottoms can talk through them. A properly fitted ball bag with a stiff strap can not be spit out, allows a fair amount of drool to pass by the bottoms lips and after an hour will cause discomfort if not before then. After that there are other enhancements like chin straps that help to hold them in place. One thing to keep in mind, most ball gags have a leather strap that passes through the ball and that exposes the interior to dirt, be sure to keep this area clean. An alternative are the ones where the ball and strap are dipped in rubber, very easy to clean.

    Most bit gags allow for a fair amount of noise and allow a lot of drool. I have seen some that use steel horse bits that go back in the mouth a bit. These are very nasty :) and must be carefully fitted.

    The muffler type gags add some restriction to the ball bag and for the top they add a nice finish to that look of a helpless bottom. The collect the drool so be careful about cleaning.

    Penis gags are much the same as the muffler ball gags and do add a nice humiliation aspect to the bottom. Be sure the penis is secure each time and be aware of breakage as if it slips off or breaks it could be swallowed and a cause for choking.

    Butterfly gags are in my opinion the most effective gag for silence. They are easy to clean, molded as a solid piece and when inflated they fill the bottoms mouth and cheeks. The ones with the strap prevent the bottom from spitting them out.

    Be aware that there are hoods with inflateable gags that are very restrictive and be sure you don't mind destroying a $200 toy if the bottom has issues and they need out NOW! Some have mouth breathing and some use nose holes. These are not for begginers but are very hot to play with!

    Dental gags and ring gags are much alike, the restrict mouth movement and allow for breathing while gagged. While they do not silence someone they truly restrict the bottoms mouth and leave it open for sadistic pleasures. :)

    Cleave gags are so classic, they muffle to. Just be careful of what and how you fill the mouth so nothing slips down the throat. Her own wet panties in her mouth are a personal favorite of mine.

    Again, these are just my opinions and observations, your actual mileage may vary.

    Bristolowner

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    RE: Gag Questions - 2/11/2006 3:22:07 PM   
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    Air moving past the vocal cords makes sound. So you cant stop it all, but you can make the mouth completely helpless. I would reccomend something as big and deep as they can tollerate without choking. Then some way to secure it. Maybe tape, a head harness, plastic wrap, a hood, elastic bandage, etc. Try and keep the mouth covered and the jaw tightly closed. At this point they can proably make all the niose thay want and its not even significant.

    Soft gags can be a bit, leather strap, open tube, open ball, etc.

    Open or medical gags can be fun. Some types they can talk restricted with and some they cant. Nice for oral play, etc.

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    RE: Gag Questions - 2/12/2006 12:44:32 AM   
    untamespirt


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    I am a beginer on gags I would like to know the safe one to start with it I like to try the ball ags . I dont if beingers us them . Would bondage tape do the same in keeping the Sub quite ?

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    RE: Gag Questions - 2/16/2006 2:22:03 PM   
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    quote:

    ORIGINAL: Phantom1017

    In your experience, what is the most effective type of gag to:

    • completely silence a sub/slave?
    • permit a sub/slave to emit no more than a very soft, quiet "mmmph" (no intelligible speech)
    • speak, but nearly unintelligibly. (possibly, this one might be a ballgag)

    How long can each of these types of gags be worn?


    This gag here:
    HERE

    Is the most effective gag I've ever been in. It is 2"" and when the straps are pulled as tight as they can do, honestly, you can barely make a sound.

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