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ORIGINAL: Termyn8or

This was a long time ago.

He said that Americans make the mistake of voting for who they want rather than thinking about the people who are going to be appointed to various positions. That those people have a more direct impact on your life.

Sometimes I wonder if he was at least partly right.

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He said that Americans make the mistake of voting for who they want

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ORIGINAL: corysub

Americans, like every other voter in a democracy, vote on the basis of "what have you done for me lately". 

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The fact that Bush had his agenda totally sidetracked by 9/11

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and yet was able to get us out of the Clinton recession

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and the loss to the economy after the Towers fell is amazing.

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People soon after that horrible day clamored for action, and the President did what he gets paid to do...protect the homeland.

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  We have not had an attack since and it certainly is not because the Islamic extremists have not tried.

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  We will never know just how many attacks, such as the planned bombing of nine airliners over the Atlantic

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If we are seeing a failure of his pork laden stimulus package which, unfortunately, is my bet, in two years time Pelosi will be sipping latte's in San Fransciso. 

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So Bush is the British People's or Canadian People's leader?

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ORIGINAL: Cagey18

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ORIGINAL: corysub

Americans, like every other voter in a democracy, vote on the basis of "what have you done for me lately". 

Speak for yourself.  You certainly do not speak for me, or hordes of other Americans.

I see...I guess you are not part of the crowd in Washington D.C. that governs based on "Polls".
In case you might not be aware...a "poll" is the measurement of how people feel on a particular issue
and how it is affecting their vote......in other words..."what have you done for me lately"...Maybe se should start an educational thread on the meaning and use of polls.

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The fact that Bush had his agenda totally sidetracked by 9/11

And what 'agenda' was that, exactly?  The failed attempt to privatize Social Security?  The dogged determination to ignore intelligence and advice re bin Laden from members of the Clinton adminstration?  That 'agenda'?
That "failed attempt to privatize Social Security" will do more harm to the future retirement of young people who were sold a bill of goods by the democrats that this legislation was proposed only to help Wall Street.  Who among us here does not think they could do a better job of running their money than the government?  Gimme a break...Government knows only how to SPEND money not MAKE money. Even now as we have a distinct possibility of a global recession turning deeper, the people you are happy with are planning carbon cap taxes so they could build windmills!  Do you actually think that Social Security will be there in 20-30 years?  I guess it depends on your time horizon, huh!  Fuck the kids...as long as we get ours now!
As far as ignoring member of the Clinton administration...you have a convenient memory lapse here.  It was Bill Clinton who did not go after Bin Laden when Yemen offered him on a plate
Bill Clinton was up to his knees in the Lewinsky scandal and did a "wag the dog" routine that was laughable.  (Correction: Lewinsky was up to her knees in Clinton)

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and yet was able to get us out of the Clinton recession

Amazing you wingnuts keep repeating this lie.  I guess you've conveniently forgotten that Clinton left Bush with a considerable surplus, which spendthrift Bush quickly turned into a massive deficit.

Another memory lapse, I guess.  There was a downturn in the economy in 2001 that began in the Clinton final quarter.  BTW..:"wingnuts"....LOL..I kinda like that..

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and the loss to the economy after the Towers fell is amazing.

Yeah, what a fantastic job Bush has done with the economy in those 7 1/2 years, huh?

You can look up the affects of 9/11 on the economy.  I'm tired or doing your research.  As far
as the recession we are in now, sure Bush is a contributor, but he also is the guy that was warning about the problems coming from the sub-prime area, along with McCain I might add, but the democrat party focus on housing for everyone and forcing the banks to make loans to people who had no income checks or if they even had an income...and than Barney Frank et al changed the rules governing FannieMae and Freddie Mac to allow them to buy this crap from banks....There is more than enough blame to go around on this one.  Just look at the proposed pork laden democrat stimulus bill and you can see where we are heading...DOWN!

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People soon after that horrible day clamored for action, and the President did what he gets paid to do...protect the homeland.

Yeah, that would explain why he attacked the country (Iraq) where bin Laden wasn't, instead of going after him as he'd promised, the country that had nothing to do with 9/11, and in doing so created more members of al-Qaeda.  Heckuva job, Bushie!

Another expert on jihad...the fact that al-Quida recruits went to Iraq is true.  However, radical Islam has been growing for decades and first really gained notoriety with the assassination of Sadat.  In the Phillippeans, Pacific Islands, Indonesia, Pakistan, and Afganistan militants have been active and growing.  Iran is the pinicale of such power and until Bush threw them out the Taliban had it in Afganistan.  One thing no one can discuss, surprisingly since the left is so full of theory, what would the world be like if Bush had not rid the planet of Sadaam?   Maybe two nuclear powers in the Mideast...?? , well three if you count Israel.

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  We have not had an attack since and it certainly is not because the Islamic extremists have not tried.

And of course you have proof of these attempts, right?
You can't be that naieve!  Again, a memory lapse possibly?  The foiling of the plot in 2006, fairly recent, to blow up U.S. bound planes with thousands of people, resulting in the arrest of a couple of dozen muslim terrorists. 
(you can't count airline shoe-bomber guy, BTW--he slipped through Bush's tight security net and was caught by an alert passenger, not anyone in Bush's adminstration)
There were a number of attempts to wreck havoc in the U.S. that were broken up...that we are aware of ...and I guess you would not believe that there are not operations that you and I are not privalged to know about, yet. Again...please use google if memory does not serve you.
http://wcbstv.com/local/Terrorism.New.York.2.244858.html

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  We will never know just how many attacks, such as the planned bombing of nine airliners over the Atlantic

And of course you have proof of these nine planned airliner bombings, right? 
You are joking ...right?   Are you over 18 or is this a trap by "Catch a Predator"???

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If we are seeing a failure of his pork laden stimulus package which, unfortunately, is my bet, in two years time Pelosi will be sipping latte's in San Fransciso. 

Breaking news:  Noted political pundit corysub predicts Nancy Pelosi, who has won 11, count 'em, eleven straight victories, will be defeated in 2010.
Errrr...sorry about that confusion... I should have been more clear.  I should have said voted out as Speaker of The House!  High five to the historian.  And thanks for the commendation..well said.

You heard it here first, folks.

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ORIGINAL: corysub

Americans, like every other voter in a democracy, vote on the basis of "what have you done for me lately". 

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The fact that Bush had his agenda totally sidetracked by 9/11

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and yet was able to get us out of the Clinton recession

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and the loss to the economy after the Towers fell is amazing.

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People soon after that horrible day clamored for action, and the President did what he gets paid to do...protect the homeland.

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  We have not had an attack since and it certainly is not because the Islamic extremists have not tried.

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  We will never know just how many attacks, such as the planned bombing of nine airliners over the Atlantic

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If we are seeing a failure of his pork laden stimulus package which, unfortunately, is my bet, in two years time Pelosi will be sipping latte's in San Fransciso. 

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ORIGINAL: Termyn8or

"The fact that Bush had his agenda totally sidetracked by 9/11 "

Sidetracked my ass, it was all part of the plan, like pearl harbor was years ago, the tarrif of abomination and so many other things.

If you get a small Cesna into commercial airspace you had better have a flight plan or a working radio and the right answers. If you are flying a commercial airliner and you go even slightly off course they know it immediately and you had better have some good answers when the call you on the radio.

There is no doubt that the government let 9/11 happen, just as they let pearl harbor happen.  With 9/11 they actually have a better excuse though, if they had shot down the planes the wreckage would be scattered. When I read all the conspirscy theories on this shit I was like oh bullshit, but when I saw the list of people who were suposed to be at work at the Twin Towers that day who had an unexpected day off, I changed my tune. Also when I heard of certain stock market trades or shorts that made people millions I changed my tune. Also when I heard that certain companies had really good insurance and collected double after 9/11 I changed my tune. They are no longer conspiracy theorists, they are cooperation analysers.

You people may think we are playing with fucking kids here, but nothing could be farther from the truth. And what better way to keep winning than to cause your opponent to underestimate you ?

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