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BondageBarbieX -> RE: trying to better understand female dommes (1/16/2009 2:48:35 PM)

Go to femdommesociety.com and talk to some of the Pro's on there.




lateralist1 -> RE: trying to better understand female dommes (1/16/2009 2:54:31 PM)

You will never understand us because we are all different.
I don't understand 'us'.
I'm beginning to understand me a little and I have some empathy for some of the other fem doms on this site but I sure as hell don't pretend to understand them all.
Have you thought that maybe some women dress up to attract a partner?
Perhaps it's something you have done in the past or might do in the future.
By the way not all Dommes aspire to the description given but I try to but it goes further than that for me. Yes I'm an editor, a teacher, a mother, a father, a confessor etc etc but mostly I hope I'm his lover. I want him to be the best that he can be.




curiousub88 -> RE: trying to better understand female dommes (1/16/2009 3:29:11 PM)

*rubs his temples*, i'm sorry everyone, i'm trying to understand what the point of my first post was, and am not seeing it anymore. I didn't mean to offend all the dommes who read this. One way or another i thought i had two ideas connected when they weren't. As well i wasn't talking about all dommes as being sluts/whores/prostitutes, i know many of you act in a respectable way. I'm not the guy who's very confrontational or argumentative, i must've just been braindead when i wrote this stuff.




VampiresLair -> RE: trying to better understand female dommes (1/16/2009 3:31:57 PM)

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ORIGINAL: curiousub88

i have strong opinions, yes, but i'm asking if there are flaws to my reasoning, is there something i'm missing or overlooking, do i have the wrong angle on how i look at sex and the relationship of power involved in it?


They are too numerous to eve begin to comment upon.  Your reasoning is strictly taken from your cheuvanistic interpretation of the world, and it is inherently flawed, so no matter what anyone tells you, you will argue it.
Which is why I will not try.

DV




Lockit -> RE: trying to better understand female dommes (1/16/2009 3:48:43 PM)

I have never acted in a respectable way... never will... lol  Okay, I could pass... but anyone who knew me... knew I was not respectable! lol  Kind of hard to hold to a pattern of society and their standards when you think a lot of it is simply bull shit.  Having one lover or twenty really doesn't make me a bad person... It is how I treat people that matter's most I think.

So if someone wants to think badly of me for being who I am... cool... just stay out of my way and I will stay out of your's.  But typically if I call myself a slut... it's okay... a guy with attitude calls me slut... back off, we just may have a problem! lol  Then again.. there are respectable sluts out there.




FullfigRIMAAM1 -> RE: trying to better understand female dommes (1/16/2009 3:49:36 PM)

*Expletive* *Expletive* *Expletive*

I hate to write long replies, but I did for this guy, and phucking lost it when previewing and posting. Just disappeared into clear nothing written.

Basically though, it agreed with your words, just more wordy (which isn't like me). [8D] M
















cloudboy -> RE: trying to better understand female dommes (1/16/2009 4:08:23 PM)

There's an old saying, he who pays the piper calls the tune.

Still, a great deal of BDSM or any particular sex life is illusion and fantasy. These might even be more important than "reality" or what's "real."

When put the the acid test of strict reality, there is never any "power exchange" between BDSM partners because one party is always, at all times, and in all legal respects free to walk away, say "no," change their mind, etc...

Arguably the submissive is always just allowing, permitting, tolerating, going along, or even instructing the DOM about what he or she will or will not do.

So, where is the real reality here? I'd argue its in our minds and feelings. I'd argue this is an area of radical subjectivity, creativity, and latitude.

I'd argue that the money can both determine and not determine "what the power exchange is." In sum, experiences are vast and wide out there!!




MsFlutter -> RE: trying to better understand female dommes (1/16/2009 4:15:20 PM)

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ORIGINAL: chamberqueen

Most Dommes give much more service than simply allowing a man to have sex with them - if that is allowed at all.  Being a good Dominant takes a lot of hard work, knowledge of the human body as far as health and safety go, enough care to build up a trust in their sub and get them to open up, and a willingness to seek fulfillment for both parties.  To do the job well takes a lot of effort and hard work. ...


[sm=agree.gif]    she speaks truth !! We take on a lot of responsibility!! (and no, I'm not a pro)




dreamerdreaming -> RE: trying to better understand female dommes (1/16/2009 4:16:18 PM)

Wow, yeah curiousub88, you did a spectacular job of offending everyone, even me. Although your OP apparently wasn't even directed at me since I do not have multiple partners, and am not a pro. I would not presume to accept your apology on behalf of everyone else therefore, (otter please continue to safeguard the puppies) but as for me: at least you had the balls to apologize, I like that. 'Nuff said. Now show us by your actions, that you can learn from your mistakes. Welcome to CM.




hardbodysub -> RE: trying to better understand female dommes (1/16/2009 4:38:41 PM)

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Your reasoning is strictly taken from your cheuvanistic interpretation of the world, and it is inherently flawed


Fair enough. Although it seems to me that most of the opinions people are objecting to are the same arguments that women constantly use when they decry pornography, prostitution, exotic dancing and prodomination: that women in these activities are being exploited by men.

Also, from the wording of your statement I wonder if you, like many other people, think incorrectly that something about the word "chauvinistic" refers specifically to males. The word has been bastardized to the extent that most people don't know what it really means.

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so no matter what anyone tells you, you will argue it.


Not so fair. Presumptuous.

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Which is why I will not try.


Your choice, but based on your assumption, not on any fact you know for sure.




Loliita -> RE: trying to better understand female dommes (1/16/2009 5:49:09 PM)

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OP: but i want to understand this better, i want to hear your opinions. Convince me otherwise!


You've already made up your mind little man and no one here will be able to convince you of anything.





RedMagic1 -> RE: trying to better understand female dommes (1/16/2009 5:55:47 PM)

For what it's worth, I have a different take from a lot of people.  I think the OP has no experience talking to women, period.  Guy-to-guy talk sometimes falls into the, "I think X," ... "Oh, yeah?  Well, I think Y."  It's less than an argument, but more than playful banter.  Given his confused and sheepish followup post, I think he's just clueless about how to demonstrate respect, inclusion, and give-and-take in a conversation.

OP, do you have any female friends?  Or, a sister, or a female cousin about your age?  I'd suggest you ask her, "How can I have a relaxed conversation with a woman?"  Treat it like learning how to speak Spanish.  You have to learn a different vocabulary and intonation from what you are currently using.




ALAstella -> RE: trying to better understand female dommes (1/16/2009 6:18:09 PM)

Wow. I don't even know where to start here... Should I start with a simple explanation of the birds and bees, or rather jiggy jiggy? Or should I start with an explanation of understanding the female gender?

It all depends how you perceive BDSM or rather WIITWD. Sure, if you see WIITWD as sex, dirty sex, kinky sex, whatever then I guess you can see a domme - whether a lifestyle domme or a pro-domme - as a prostitute.

The thing is WIITWD isn't about sex, but about interaction and relationships between humans based on various ideologies, behaviours, rituals and activities. No matter however which way you look at it, even if you have the most basic understanding of WIITWD you will understand that a domme is as much a prostitute as a gorilla is a fish.

The OP has managed to gather enough intelligence to be able to operate a computer, set up a CM account, and find his way onto these Message Boards, and I have faith that he may have sufficient intelligence therefore to work out what WIITWD is really about.




DelilahDeb -> RE: trying to better understand female dommes (1/16/2009 7:04:15 PM)

Fast Reply!

OP—you're not going to find the answers to your women's studies class here. Not even by trying to provoke a discussion when each one of the individual topics that you raise in your original post has miles of cumulative thread here or elsewhere online. Start by applying your brain and a dash of actual logic (you know, fact A, fact B, hypothesis C, conclusion D). But I will say that it's interesting to see that the theoretical adults on CM have so much in common with the UMs of yore who paralyzed so many AOL chats in the dim and misty, when the world was young and we all used 1200 baud acoustic modems.

Topics…

  • sexual biology aspects of "normal" sexual psychology
  • gender roles in history
  • gender roles by culture
  • definitions of the words matrilineal, matriarchal, feminism, and suffrage
  • history of treatment of lesbian women in

    • 1—the past decade in the city where you live
    • 2—the city of London in 1890
    • 3—the Roman Catholic church according to the Confessor Buchardi



Lady Delilah Deb




chezzy71 -> RE: trying to better understand female dommes (1/16/2009 9:55:21 PM)

it is true,there are many respectable sluts out there..i happen to be one...albeit taken but one just the same.




Lynnxz -> RE: trying to better understand female dommes (1/16/2009 11:16:28 PM)

Poor lil dude... trying to understand women...

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or maybe even cleavage?


This, however, made me laugh my ass off... quite a feat for 2am.... O NOES!! NOT THE CLEAVAGE!! *gasp*  *scandalous!!*




FullfigRIMAAM1 -> RE: trying to better understand female dommes (1/17/2009 1:01:45 AM)

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ORIGINAL: curiousub88
What i've been wondering is: are women ever in charge when it comes to sex?
Yes.  Actually women are in control of sex most of the time.    They control when and if there is going to be any even in vanilla settings.

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 I know (or assume) that domme's think this way because they are controlling their environment. Yet, i feel that sex is a man's domain, he is the one constantly looking for it, asking for it and it is usually the woman that holds them back and lets them wait and its generally the woman who gives the go-ahead to have sex
First you assume wrongly that being dominant is about sex.    Just because a man has more of the aggressive hormone, and maybe even if some primitive instincts make him seek sex out more often, does not mean it's his domain to control, unless you are suggesting he can by committing an illegal act by forcing it upon unwilling fems.
Domination is about authority or power over another, and each domina decides whether the relationship is going to involve sex or not.

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With that said, i'm wondering, are female pro-dommes or really any domme that has multiple partners (or clients) anything different from a prostitute?
First of all, you say prostitute like it's a bad thing.    This delineation that says women who give away their bodies without expectation of anything in return are more honorable than the ones who take money in return is slightly misguided.

I'm guessing you are from a very puritanical mother who married the first man she had sex with, because you certainly couldn't be suggesting that someone who behaved like her, could otherwise be considered a whore.   Who are you to call women out of their names, because you disapprove of how they live, perhaps for having chosen to have multiple partners?

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Prostitutes go after mainstream men while dommes go after the underground and less common kind of man.
Where did you get this from?   Submissive men are not underground or uncommon at all.
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 I understand that a lot of domme's don't engage in sexual activity with clients or partners, yet are you not still giving sexual satisfaction to the guy who gets to see you parade around in lingerie or leather that shows off your figure, or maybe even cleavage?
If my dressing as I enjoy, or walking with flat shoes makes someone hot, I'm perfectly kool with it.    Some women enjoy dressing in a sexy fashion, and like the way they look in heels.    A woman is not more powerful because she dresses poorly, refuses to wear lingerie or heels.   A woman is powerful when she is bad enough to be herself, whether men are around to watch or not.    Being a dominant woman is not about busting men's balls (necessarily), and refusing men enjoyment.   If a lady is doing what she wants to do, and someone else enjoys it, more power to her.

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the guys coming are looking for some sort of pleasure, and for the masochist, they are getting a kind of sexual pleasure.
So are most women who know their bodies, especially dominant ones.

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Comparing Prostitutes to dommes with multiple partners/clients, they seem very much alike, they are getting paid by the guy and the guy is getting sexually aroused (unless someone wants to dispute this?)
Where do you get this?      There are dominas who have multiple partners who serve them, and that is totally hot, if they can handle it.    Again, you say prostitutes like it's the ultimate sin.

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I'm going to guess that some people will reply that who is in power makes all the difference. What i say to that is this: strippers are in the same position. They are in power when it comes to the men who walk into the strip club, they use techniques to get the cash from their wallets and have the men in their power by dancing around in their skimpy outfits. But at what cost? Yes, the women have power, but at the cost of objectifying theirselves, and not to mention that when we look at the greater scale, men are supporting these women, they somehow or another got into this job (be it desperately needing money or just easy money) which was created by men. So women may have some power, but men have a much greater power because they created this industry
Most of us have to work for our money; and most of us didn't invent the wheel, so we work for other people for money.    If a lady can get her business taken care of financially by dancing or exchanging her skills/appearance for money better than she could as a medium income worker, it is entirely her prerogative to do so, without fear of judgement from some jerk off who doesn't give her a thing except attitude and condescension.
Feminism to me, is about controlling one's own destiny, not allowing oneself to be dictated by men or other women.   No one is going to tell me that in order to be a feminist, I need to become unattractive, and hate men.   


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do the dommes think of themselves as an alternative slut/whore/prostitute
No, only you think this way, no domina thinks of herself this way, unless she feels like it for play's sake.

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I love women
You could have fooled me.    And with friends like you....
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What makes it ok/not ok to act this way?
Being sufficiently self aware to know who I am, what works for me in a relationship/sexually, and because I can (be myself as a dominant person in a relationship, not a prostitute).   M

P.S.   I'm going to give you some free advice, since you are young, and clearly haven't much of a clue when it comes to women...    Firstly, don't presume to know us, and jump to conclusions, when it's much easier to pay attention closely, and learn that way.   Secondly, NEVER, EVER, EVER, call a woman out of her name, unless she explicitly says to you "I'm turned on when you call me.... "   M




thetammyjo -> RE: trying to better understand female dommes (1/17/2009 5:41:43 AM)

You need to ask why you embrace one standard of interpretation for men who have lots of sex and another for women who do.

Why is that an empowering thing for men but not for women?

What is biasing your opinion?




MISTRESSKUMA -> RE: trying to better understand female dommes (1/17/2009 7:03:05 AM)

Women SCARE him and he's frightened of Women.[sm=couch.gif] He feels powerless. [sm=banghead.gif] Confused over Women.[sm=confused.gif] And inferior in every way. [sm=club.gif]Women are a big mystery [sm=hissyfit.gif]and he cant handle it [sm=help.gif] so he has to put Women down [sm=boxer.gif]to feel better. [sm=axe.gif]

That's all. [sm=mistress.gif]






LadyMedusa -> RE: trying to better understand female dommes (1/17/2009 7:07:48 AM)

Like many others, I think I will toss in the penny it is clearly not even worth.
Does anyone else see that all this poor boy wants to do is serve, he is just looking for a reason to get punished and writing this drivel, is what he thinks will do it! He thinks that by calling us basically "paid whores" will get him some punishment. Who says he is shy? He can write this BS really well for a so called shy guy. I think he is just some little worm who wants to get Dominated and has no idea how to ask.... clearly he is just a newbie trying to get his little cock off by thinking that Dommes are going to give him sex...lol, if he only knew!
Oh and to the writer of this thread....  and this comes from a Domme who prefers girls over little mealy mouthed hide in the closet males who can not come right out and beg to be used.





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