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Here's an interesting editorial - 1/16/2009 7:00:18 PM

ArticMaestro

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"The beauty of democratic rotations of power is that when the opposition takes office, cheap criticism and calumny will no longer do. The Democrats now own Iraq. They own the war on al-Qaeda. And they own the panoply of anti-terror measures with which the Bush administration kept us safe these past seven years.
Which is why Obama is consciously creating a gulf between what he now dismissively calls "campaign rhetoric" and the policy choices he must make as president."

I found it very interesting. Anyone else care to comment on it.

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2009/01/15/AR2009011503149.html

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RE: Here's an interesting editorial - 1/16/2009 7:21:56 PM

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"Charles Krauthammer"

Saw that, and didn't need to read any further. Wingnut Democrat-hater who doesn't let facts get in the way of his delusional view of the world. Not even worth the time for the window to load, as I've seen plenty of his crap before, and have no need to see more of the same.

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RE: Here's an interesting editorial - 1/16/2009 8:54:34 PM

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Funny how the clock for when bush started protecting us ,started just after 9/11....

As if he gets a pass for it.

And go ask the 1800 dead Americans on the gulf coast how safe they were....

And the 4200 dead GI`s....

And the close to half million dead Iraqi civilians....

He`s the deadliest president since Nixon and makes Nixon look like a good bloke in comparison.

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RE: Here's an interesting editorial - 1/16/2009 9:05:23 PM

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I keep hearing about how there have been no attacks since 9/11. Not only is that an amazing statement of itself (that we have only had ONE horrible worst-ever attack on US soil during the Bush regime), but it's only true on a technicality - Robert Reid got clean through US security and failed to destroy a US plane only because the passengers and crew overpowered him.

Who SAYS the Bushies kept us safe? They sure didn't keep us safe from Katrina. I'm not going to say that only terrorist-induced disasters count.

That said, I have been disgusted at Reid and Pelosi, who were elected to STOP Bush and simply complained a lot while they signed off on his requests. Let them actually do sane things instead of whining about insane ones.

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RE: Here's an interesting editorial - 1/16/2009 9:17:37 PM

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<scratches head> How does a President stop a hurricane? All this hate is very unhealthy, and all this responsibility not be placed on all of the politicians that could have done something, is just the same game with different sides.

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RE: Here's an interesting editorial - 1/16/2009 9:24:06 PM

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Reid and Pelosi both campaigned on a platform of "impeachment is off the table."

Now I'm no Constitutional scholar, merely a student... But it seems to me removing officials from office through the process of impeachment and conviction is among the job descriptions of a Senator and Representative.

So they (Reid, Pelosi, et. al.) ran on a platform that basically stated "Go ahead and hire us to NOT do the job."

Were you really expecting something different? If so, please explain your reasoning behind your expectations.

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RE: Here's an interesting editorial - 1/16/2009 10:07:28 PM

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quote:

ORIGINAL: OrionTheWolf

~FR~

<scratches head> How does a President stop a hurricane? All this hate is very unhealthy, and all this responsibility not be placed on all of the politicians that could have done something, is just the same game with different sides.

It was the response to the hurricane, Orion.You know that.
I guess this is your 1st insincere post of '09'?

Day two after levees break.

Churtoff didn`t even know the levees broke till 24 hours after the fact,said he read a headline saying we dodged a bullet and didn`t even check in.

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A jet falling out of the sky also happens from time to time.

But it`s training,pro-active preparations for worst case scenarios and leadership that makes all the difference and saves lives.

Safety is no accident.

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RE: Here's an interesting editorial - 1/16/2009 10:43:40 PM

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quote:

ORIGINAL: Owner59

quote:

ORIGINAL: OrionTheWolf

~FR~

<scratches head> How does a President stop a hurricane? All this hate is very unhealthy, and all this responsibility not be placed on all of the politicians that could have done something, is just the same game with different sides.

It was the response to the hurricane, Orion.You know that.
I guess this is your 1st insincere post of '09'?

Your psychic powers are not working, it was very sincere and pointing out the same hypocricy.

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Day two after levees break.

Churtoff didn`t even know the levees broke till 24 hours after the fact,said he read a headline saying we dodged a bullet and didn`t even check in.

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A jet falling out of the sky also happens from time to time.

But it`s training,pro-active preparations for worst case scenarios and leadership that makes all the difference and saves lives.

Safety is no accident.

So if I post several times that a Democratic President has ill prepared and unqualified people in positions of power, you will not defend them, but use the same standard? That is what I was pointing out. Don't worry about answering that, you are good at not answering.

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RE: Here's an interesting editorial - 1/17/2009 7:01:00 AM

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quote:

ORIGINAL: DarkSteven
Who SAYS the Bushies kept us safe? They sure didn't keep us safe from Katrina. I'm not going to say that only terrorist-induced disasters count.

How about we throw in Just a touch of Reality here, shall we?

No president - repugnican, democrap, or pie-in-the-sky 3rd party - can put a halt to Mother Nature when she gets pissy with the planet. Not gonna happen, not now, not ever.

And here's an answer for those who say "it's about the Responce to the Hurricane." It is hardly the fault of ANY administration when people Actively Choose to be Complete Morons and think they can actually WIN against Ma Nature by Staying when she throws a temper tantrum. Nor is it the fault of an Administration when the people they send to a disaster to Help - Get Shot At by those they're attempting to help. I wouldn't stick around to keep helping Either, if I was getting shot at by the folks I was attempting to rescue from water that covered their homes and left them stranded on rooftops.

Perhaps the Tsunami that hit in the far East during Bush's admin was somehow his fault as well? How about the ongoing eruption of the volcano that is Hawaii - oh wait, no, can't be Bush's fault - it was going on during the Clinton years as well.

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RE: Here's an interesting editorial - 1/17/2009 7:01:39 AM

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Orion, your "defense" is one of the two that the Bushies used to try to explain away their incompetence.

1. The President cannot control the weather.
2. The local authorities blew it.

The plain fact is that FEMA has as its sole charter emergency response.

It failed and failed miserably.

The fact that the Administration chose to make juvenile excuses instead of manning up and admitting fault, speaks loads about its utter disregard to serving the country that it was duty-bound to protect.

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RE: Here's an interesting editorial - 1/17/2009 7:14:39 AM

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FEMA also couldn't Force people to leave the areas where Katrina was going to hit. People got up in arms about the government Attempt to force people to leave the affected areas for someplace safe After Katrina hit.

Yeah, FEMA screwed the pooch on that one - but, FEMA isn't a Specifically Republican brainchild, and it's screwed the pooch a few times (on a lesser scale, since the disaster involved was on a lesser scale) during Democrat incumbancies as well. (Trust me on this one - FEMA's responce to the May '99 Tornado that wiped a swath across a Huge chunk of the OKC metro was nothing short of a Mongolian Clusterfuck, and it was under Clinton's folks at that point.) FEMA is filled with fuckups and incompitants Regardless of which joke of a party happens to be sitting in the big chair at the time.

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RE: Here's an interesting editorial - 1/17/2009 7:40:11 AM

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quote:

ORIGINAL: DarkSteven

Orion, your "defense" is one of the two that the Bushies used to try to explain away their incompetence.

Actually if you used just the slightest bit of perception skills and reading comprehension, you will notice no defense offered.

quote:

1. The President cannot control the weather.
2. The local authorities blew it.

Almost everyone blew it.

quote:

The plain fact is that FEMA has as its sole charter emergency response.

Yep it sure does. Have several friends that used to work for them, and they store the mobile homes for emergencies at the Army Depot I used to work at. The problem is your above statement is "sole". Want to solve more of that problem, take some of that power and money away from FEMA and give it to the state. Especially in emergency situations the more local authorities would be better able to administer aid.

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It failed and failed miserably.

Yep.

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The fact that the Administration chose to make juvenile excuses instead of manning up and admitting fault, speaks loads about its utter disregard to serving the country that it was duty-bound to protect.

Do not disagree with you here. What I was pointing towards is the fact that some believe one party always does wrong and another party never does wrong. These types of standards are called hypocricy. Not to mention that after such a debacle if no other poltician did not try and create legislation or do something to correct things for the future, then they are responsible of derilection as well. My opinion is that 95% of our politicians are guilty of derilection of duty, regardless of political party.

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RE: Here's an interesting editorial - 1/17/2009 3:05:01 PM

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Here's another interesting one, from the Weekly Standard. Pretty rational, and pretty legitimate questions that we'll start learning the answers to soon enough.

I count four separate fears. Whether he's a crypto-Marxist is not one of them. Neither is the absurd fear that he's secretly a Muslim, even a closet jihadist. Nor is the groundless claim Obama was actually born outside the United States and isn't really an American citizen. Forget all those.

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RE: Here's an interesting editorial - 1/17/2009 3:16:13 PM

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I've always maintained that we need term limits to keep corruption to a minimum....

One in office and one in prison.

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RE: Here's an interesting editorial - 1/17/2009 4:16:33 PM

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My folks lost 80% of their roof during hurricane Andrew.My dad never found the debris from it,gone,all of it.It was ten days before we spoke.

FEMA was there in about 10 hours.Blue FEMA tarps suddenly were everywhere.Food,water,meds,gas and FEMA people in boats and trucks making rounds,generators running,emergency shelter for those that needed it.My dad was impressed that things were as planned and as organized as they were.

FEMA used to work,before noe-con economic policy outsourced the services to the lowest bidder(or in many cases,FOG`s(friends of george)) who`s primary motivation was producing the largest profit margin possible and not emergency preparedness.

bush(and neo-cons) often said that government was "the problem" and didn`t work.It`s their mantra and primary talking point.bush ran on it.And they`ve been hell bent to prove that so.

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RE: Here's an interesting editorial - 1/17/2009 6:04:20 PM

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quote:

ORIGINAL: TheHeretic

Here's another interesting one, from the Weekly Standard. Pretty rational, and pretty legitimate questions that we'll start learning the answers to soon enough.

I count four separate fears. Whether he's a crypto-Marxist is not one of them. Neither is the absurd fear that he's secretly a Muslim, even a closet jihadist. Nor is the groundless claim Obama was actually born outside the United States and isn't really an American citizen. Forget all those.

This editorial has legit points. But it's based on the fact that Obama is relatively an unknown - and then worrying that the unknown quality will be for the worse.

Also, it's kinda biased. Stating that Obama has nerves of jello and that Bush was strong on foreign policy ignores the fact that Bush's strong policy got us bogged down in two wars and has engendered anti-US policy all over the globe. Being strong instead of diplomatic has its place, but so does diplomacy.

I do get concerned about checks on Reid and Pelosi. However, I don't see why they would suddenly ram a super-liberal agenda through when they never really instigated legislation while Bush was in power. I suspect that they will be stuck in perma-whine mode and, instead of complaining about Bush's policies, complain about Obama's.

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RE: Here's an interesting editorial - 1/17/2009 10:34:21 PM

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quote:

ORIGINAL: Owner59

Funny how the clock for when bush started protecting us ,started just after 9/11....

As if he gets a pass for it.

And go ask the 1800 dead Americans on the gulf coast how safe they were....

And the 4200 dead GI`s....

And the close to half million dead Iraqi civilians....

He`s the deadliest president since Nixon and makes Nixon look like a good bloke in comparison.

I wholly agree,but why single out Nixon for being made to look a good bloke by this Plonker? And whilst Bush has written his name in the pages of history ...... I wouldn't be surprised if he spelled it wrong.The man has been a plague on the US, of which it will be well rid.

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RE: Here's an interesting editorial - 1/20/2009 12:03:05 AM

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Because politicians lie to get elected!! nuff said...It's interesting how Obama is going to close Gitmo, but we are still keeping the people there in custody. Call it legal parsing...like Clinton. I mean when people say they want to close Gitmo down, don' t they mean that they want those to be free? So, aren't we just subtituting one prison for another? It was like when Clinton said, "I didn't now how sexual relations with that woman!" (but she sucked my cock...) This is interesting because alot of dommes say that they are not into having sex with their slaves, but when she straps a dildo on, and goes to town, what is doing? Btw...I'm still waiting for my middle class tax cut from Clinton...

I just hope that one of those people that Obama frees doesn't end up driving an airplane through the Capitol Building. I mean how embarrasing would that be?

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RE: Here's an interesting editorial - 1/20/2009 12:53:55 AM

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quote:

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My folks lost 80% of their roof during hurricane Andrew.My dad never found the debris from it,gone,all of it.It was ten days before we spoke.

FEMA was there in about 10 hours.Blue FEMA tarps suddenly were everywhere.Food,water,meds,gas and FEMA people in boats and trucks making rounds,generators running,emergency shelter for those that needed it.My dad was impressed that things were as planned and as organized as they were.

FEMA used to work,before noe-con economic policy outsourced the services to the lowest bidder(or in many cases,FOG`s(friends of george)) who`s primary motivation was producing the largest profit margin possible and not emergency preparedness.

bush(and neo-cons) often said that government was "the problem" and didn`t work.It`s their mantra and primary talking point.bush ran on it.And they`ve been hell bent to prove that so.

I am sorry that your family suffered the catastrophy of Andrew. However, to compare Andrew with the widespread damage of Katrina is like comparing the invasion of Grenada with Iwo Jima. Andrew was a severe storm that destroyed over 25,000 homes in it's 40 mile wide path of horror. To those who lost their homes it was every bit as bad as Katrina. However, Katrina totally devastated the gulf coast from Mississippi to Lousisiana. Certainly the destruction in Gulf Port, Miss. was every bit as bad as New Orleans. Somehow, the State of Mississippi was able to come out of it with a lot of help from government. New Orleans, however, is below sea level and it was the breaking of the levies that took out what was left in the ninth ward. It's one thing driving trucks from northern Florida, Georgia and other states with relief supplies in ten hours, but how do you bring in the tons of material needed with 1,000,000 homes (200,000 in New Orleans) destroyed, bridges down or obstructed with debris, and 30,000 people still clinging to the roof of their homes and having to be saved from death by the coast guard and others.

From my relatives living in Ft. Lauderdale and Stuart, Florida I was told that not only Fema, but Florida reacted immediately to the situation with total mobilization of the States resources. Where was the mayor of New Orleans?? What immediate actions did that nitwit governor of Lousiana take to help her people survive....nada....nothing....frozen in the hold of their own corrupt administrations and ignorance. What was the action of the New Orleans police department to the tragedy...they deserted, didn't they! First responders my ass...first deserters!

But, of course, all this was the fault of the "bushies" the "wingnuts" and other endearing words used by those who have no arguement to make in defense of a defenseless position.

http://www.usatoday.com/money/economy/housing/2005-10-05-katrina-housing-usat_x.htm

http://fpc.state.gov/documents/organization/53572.pdf

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RE: Here's an interesting editorial - 1/20/2009 2:33:22 AM

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Krauthammer....lol...He would find fault with anyone aside from his conservative style of President...before, after during their presidency...not much much of a stretch....

As for Katrina etc. one phrase sums it up for me...."Brownie you're doing a heck of a job"....

Let the apologists begin!...

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