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oceanwynds -> RE: A cutting question ? (1/20/2009 10:28:57 AM)

Circumcision actually began in Egypt B.C. Also at that time they believed in Gods and Goddess, or what many would label pagans. I will leave it at that, because any more goes into peoples' beliefs and I choose to not touch on that. But yes, pagans started this custom, and you can research it if you choose.





MissMorrigan -> RE: A cutting question ? (1/20/2009 1:15:29 PM)

I had no idea you were privy to my family's medical records and any professional advice we may/or may not have received/acted upon. While assumptions usually are beliefs and ideas which we deduce to be true, there is no definitive or clear information provided by me which would lead you to make such an assumption. You also do not allow for a child's own natural curiosity and quite often, it isn't just a parent that is misinformed - as is your comment regarding my perceived lack of uninformed parenting. I do not need to justify any decisions I have made, however, you can rest assured that any decision made has been undertaken solely on the advice of a healthcare profession - ie a doctor and therefore, very much informed, Rule.
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ORIGINAL: Rule
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ORIGINAL: MissMorrigan
I think it will finally stop being used as a 'norm' for non religious purposes when parents stop being lazy and teach their children how to clean themselves properly as you did with your son, as I did with my own (he still has his foreskin and never encountered a problem as he was taught to draw it back and wash thoroughly which served two purposes, one to keep him clean, and the other to ensure it didn't tighten to prevent drawing back).

Are you talking about sexually non mature boys? If so, you did the most careless, unhygienic thing imaginable. Until they become sexually mature, the foreskin has an airtight seal to the glans, making it impossible for any dirt or infection to get between the foreskin and the penis. However, when someone - likely a misinformed parent suffering from a compulsive obsessive disorder to mess with the penis of their child - pulls back the foreskin of such a boy, this airtight seal, that is meant to protect the penis from infection during his childhood, is broken and then indeed all kind of diseases and other penile porblems are rife. Fortunately my parents were not as careless. I never knew what was protected by my foreskin until I had my first erection.
 
To all parents who do not know anything about a normal non mutilated penis: DO NOT EVER TOUCH THE GENITALS OF YOUR IMMATURE CHILD!



Rule -> RE: A cutting question ? (1/20/2009 2:22:09 PM)

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ORIGINAL: MissMorrigan
there is no definitive or clear information provided by me which would lead you to make such an assumption.

Which is why I asked. Given your evasive answer, is it correct to assume that I was right?

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ORIGINAL: MissMorrigan
you can rest assured that any decision made has been undertaken solely on the advice of a healthcare profession - ie a doctor and therefore, very much informed,

Did he have a non-mutilated penis? Clearly, considering the wrong and extremely dangerous health advice that you saw fit to dish out, that health care professional did not know the first thing about a normal penis.



slaveboyforyou -> RE: A cutting question ? (1/20/2009 2:38:19 PM)

Didn't you start a thread about this very topic awhile back?  Why does it bug you so much?  I'm circumcised, and it wasn't done for religious reasons.  I wasn't brought up in a religious home.  It was just a common practice in hospitals in 1975, when I was born.  It was a common practice in hospitals here for most of the 20th Century. 

I wouldn't call it mutilation.  I assure you that my penis functions just fine, and I've enjoyed it thoroughly throughout my 33 years of living. 



Rule -> RE: A cutting question ? (1/20/2009 3:15:05 PM)

It is not christian. Saint Paul argued convincingly against circumcision of the penis.



slaveluci -> RE: A cutting question ? (1/20/2009 3:17:26 PM)

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I assure you that my penis functions just fine, and I've enjoyed it thoroughly throughout my 33 years of living. 


[image]http://www.collarchat.com/upfiles/smiley/rofl.gif[/image]You made me laugh out loud, slaveboy!  Thanks[:D].............luci



slaveboyforyou -> RE: A cutting question ? (1/20/2009 3:20:58 PM)

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[sm=rofl.gif]You made me laugh out loud, slaveboy!  Thanks[:D].............luci


I'm happy to oblige, Luci.  [8D]



oceanwynds -> RE: A cutting question ? (1/20/2009 3:51:51 PM)

[quote}I wouldn't call it mutilation.  I assure you that my penis functions just fine, and I've enjoyed it thoroughly throughout my 33 years of living.  [/quote]

I love it. Sir would say the same thing except 52 years of living.



Aneirin -> RE: A cutting question ? (1/20/2009 5:12:34 PM)

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ORIGINAL: slaveboyforyou

Didn't you start a thread about this very topic awhile back?  Why does it bug you so much?  I'm circumcised, and it wasn't done for religious reasons.  I wasn't brought up in a religious home.  It was just a common practice in hospitals in 1975, when I was born.  It was a common practice in hospitals here for most of the 20th Century. 

I wouldn't call it mutilation.  I assure you that my penis functions just fine, and I've enjoyed it thoroughly throughout my 33 years of living. 


I think some people here have got the complete wrong end of the stick with what I asked, first of all it seems to be assumed that I am ribbing at religion, and then it seems I am ribbing at the act of circumcision, let me assure you all, my intent was neither of these. My question, the thing I was seeking, was from where did it originate, my understanding was from Judaism, but it seems according to some here, it goes back further than that. I was looking for speculation or fact as to where it all started, what possibly could be a reason.

So, to the use of the word ' mutilation ', well according to 'Wiki', the online encyclopedia, mutilation is defined as  ;

Mutilation or maiming is an act or physical injury that degrades the appearance or function of the (human) body, usually without causing death.

To me, mutilation describes circumcision adequately, and it certainly does with FGM, Female genital mutilation, which has also been called circumcision. Maybe I have got it wrong, but if circumcision in women is called mutilation, why then cannot the word be applied to male circumcision ?

But yes, I have brought up this subject before, then it was fact finding which lead me to research quite deeply to a level of understanding I am content with. What lead me to this question that seems to have caused much controversy, is the fact that I was talking with a female friend, who pondered if an intact foreskin had any action on the stimulation of the clitoris, yes, it is drawn back in intercouse, but where it ends up, loose skin, does that help in the stimulation of the clit.

But what are my feelings, well, I have been done, the reason why, well that is elusive, but I am ok with it, and to be honest, I think a cut cock looks quite handsome.




slaveboyforyou -> RE: A cutting question ? (1/20/2009 5:39:55 PM)

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Mutilation or maiming is an act or physical injury that degrades the appearance or function of the (human) body, usually without causing death.


Sex change procedures and body modification (piercing, tattooing, branding) would fall under this definition.  I'm not trying to be defensive.  But I resent the idea that my parents "mutilated" me at birth.  Honestly, the lack of a foreskin is never on my mind when I prepare, proceed, and complete masturbation or copulation.  I don't resent it, and I don't want to be encouraged to resent it nor do I feel inadequate. 




OrionTheWolf -> RE: A cutting question ? (1/20/2009 5:50:26 PM)

~FR~

Did anyone even bother to read that link I posted? It explains how far back, and mentions some of the theories (that are supported with data and not oujia boards) as to the whys.



SAAHAAK -> RE: A cutting question ? (1/20/2009 5:57:33 PM)

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Mutilation on the aspect that if a maker provided one with a perfectly designed vessel for living on this planet, (every part of us has a reason for being there and though we may be a compromise, we are perfectly adapted for living in our enviroment), what maker would demand or the believers feel that they should cut a bit off themselves, a bit that has a use. If a maker demanded it, then surely it is a mistake and over time that bit would have evolved out of us, if it is by the will of man to remove an item, thus leaving open to infection a part which is most useful in the furthering of our species, is he not insulting a maker in giving that bit back ?

What is the real reason, it smells perhaps, it looks ugly even, surely if it is a man proked action, then it must be due to vanity.

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Man, what planet do you live on?  The human body was designed by a committee of monkees having a bad day.  Child birth is painful and absent modern medicine, frequently fatal to mother, child, or both.  Again absent modern medicine, surviving childhood is so unlikely that people had to churn out babies as fast as they could in hopes that at least one or two would survive to adulthood.  Our tonsils are prone to infection, as are our alimentary canals and sinuses.  Our feet are not designed to support the weight of an upright body.  Our spines aren't designed to walk upright, period.  Shall I go on?  We may indeed have a divine spark within us, but if God designed these bodies, then as soon as I gain access, He and I are going to have a discussion about structural engineering.



aravain -> RE: A cutting question ? (1/20/2009 6:27:58 PM)

Interesting, MissMorrigan ^_^ Thanks. I was just really confused when you brought that up[:D]



blacksword404 -> RE: A cutting question ? (1/20/2009 10:34:34 PM)

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ORIGINAL: Aneirin

Mutilation or maiming is an act or physical injury that degrades the appearance or function of the (human) body, usually without causing death.



Give me a definition of degrading? Say if i were to say circumcision is not degrading for me at all. Who are you to tell me it is? It's my dick. 



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