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In talking with a few relatives they thought we would h... - 1/19/2009 4:17:21 PM

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Black President. I was sure that Obama would win before, say Hillary. Do you think we are ready for a female President yet? Would we be ready in 8 years?

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RE: In talking with a few relatives they thought we wou... - 1/19/2009 5:06:29 PM

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If the right one happens to come along, I'll happily vote for her.

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RE: In talking with a few relatives they thought we wou... - 1/19/2009 5:47:06 PM

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Why does everyone want to celebrate the election of our "first black president"? .. everyone seems to forget he is Euro-African American birthed by a white mother and raised by a white grandmother. It seems everyone wants to negate that except him. (to his credit)

When we elect a Jessie Jackson or Al Sharpton type.. then you will truly have a "black" president.

(yup.. I said it.. don't say you haven't thought it yourself. I've never been one to ignore the dead elephant in the living room)

I could not have cared less what color he is. I voted for him because I liked him. Plain and simple.

Edited to add: Yes, I think we will have a female president..after all variations of males have their turn.

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RE: In talking with a few relatives they thought we wou... - 1/19/2009 6:30:02 PM

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Why does everyone want to celebrate the election of our "first black president"? .. everyone seems to forget he is Euro-African American birthed by a white mother and raised by a white grandmother. It seems everyone wants to negate that except him. (to his credit)

When we elect a Jessie Jackson or Al Sharpton type.. then you will truly have a "black" president.

(yup.. I said it.. don't say you haven't thought it yourself. I've never been one to ignore the dead elephant in the living room)

I could not have cared less what color he is. I voted for him because I liked him. Plain and simple.

Edited to add: Yes, I think we will have a female president..after all variations of males have their turn.

Type????? Not sure what you mean by that...and wondering what "type" i am...does type refer to something one can't see...like DNA, or a certain manner of speech and demeanor?

Consider this, due to Slavery, and the intermingling of slaves and slave owners....nearly all blacks in America are part European. Elephant in the room be damned, the only way we can move forward from these sorts of ideas is to educate ourselves, learn more, and change the way we think. To that end, i recommend you read the following:
"The Oxford History of the British Empire" by William Roger ,Vol.2 pages 467 on.
"Who is Black? One Nation's Definition" by F. James Davis
"Not of Pure Blood" by Jay Hinsbruner

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RE: In talking with a few relatives they thought we wou... - 1/19/2009 6:51:15 PM

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Consider this, due to Slavery, and the intermingling of slaves and slave owners....nearly all blacks in America are part European. Elephant in the room be damned, the only way we can move forward from these sorts of ideas is to educate ourselves, learn more, and change the way we think. To that end, i recommend you read the following:
"The Oxford History of the British Empire" by William Roger ,Vol.2 pages 467 on.
"Who is Black? One Nation's Definition" by F. James Davis
"Not of Pure Blood" by Jay Hinsbruner

I would read them.. but race isn't a big issue with me. I can answer your question about what I meant by "type" by having you relfect on those who comment that someone is "too white or not black enough". How do they make their determinations?

Back to the OP: I think a Transexual female will make president before a genetic female. The good ol' boys club will take solice in that he was once a "male".. knowwhatimean? Would the election of such be an end to genderism anymore than the elction of a Euro-African American is the end of racism? We all still have a looong way to go.

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RE: In talking with a few relatives they thought we wou... - 1/19/2009 7:17:14 PM

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Respectfully,( and trust me, i'm not trying to insinuate anything about you, personally) i was asking you what you meant by that comment because i didn't want to put you in the same boat as people that think like those you mentioned. i honestly wanted some clarification, to avoid jumping to conclusions. We all say things that "sound" different from what we actually mean, from time to time.

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I can answer your question about what I meant by "type" by having you relfect on those who comment that someone is "too white or not black enough". How do they make their determinations

Their determinations are flawed and based on a certain level of ignorance, and intolerance. i wouldn't use them as an excuse.

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I would read them.. but race isn't a big issue with me.

The books are about history, and societal issues...not just race.

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RE: In talking with a few relatives they thought we wou... - 1/19/2009 11:15:42 PM

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Race doesn't matter to me i am just asking what i was told by a relative. I wanted to get a different perspective.

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RE: In talking with a few relatives they thought we wou... - 1/20/2009 12:11:46 AM

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Hillary Clinton didn't lose because she was a woman....she lost the nomination, and probably the presidency, because her organization was too rigid in their strategy and failed to react to the Obama express. The flowering oratory of the charismatic man from Illinois dominated the early caucus States that were essentially ignored by Clinton. The media had "chills up their legs" when Obama gave speeches and fell out of love with Hillary like a sailor sobering up the morning after a fun filled evening. Other than talk radio, and a handful of TV pundits, the bulk of the media basically just swooned over the man and ignored the vetting process. The "historic" possibility of a black President, fueled by magnifcant wordsmithing ,was the driver not intelligent, well-defined programs. The man promised "change" and a majority of people wanted "change" too.. not programs. What kind of change is now the question on the table and we now have a leader still basically an unkown. That's another topic and there will be countless threads over the next four years on this topic.

If Hillary had just been herself as we saw late in the campaign we might in fact have the first woman President, in my opinion. And not because she was a woman but because she was the best of the "final three", in my opinion. I voted for McCain but my wife and daughter were for Hillary and I was leaning towards her because of her experience, her grit, and her understanding of the issues that I felt were important. Interestingly, I never made a pro or con opinion on Hillary because of gender.

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RE: In talking with a few relatives they thought we wou... - 1/20/2009 12:27:09 AM

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I believe that we desperately need a competent President and if the person happens to be female that is wonderful, if not that is alright with me too. I do not look at the gender, color, religion as factors, I look at their stand on the issues.

But I also believe it is time for the United States to evolve into a modern nation and throw off the gender bias and realize that yes we do have intelligent women here who could run this country as well, if not better, than many of the males.

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RE: In talking with a few relatives they thought we wou... - 1/20/2009 2:09:58 AM

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Even after the Iowa caucuses I thought Hillary would still walk away with the election....I thought that Obama couldn't beat her....I was SO far off the mark!
If after all the years of segregation, out right slavery etc. electing a black man means we could elect a woman, an Asian American etc. etc. The color of Obama's skin, or the sex of Hillary Clinton held no bearing for me on a personal basis but whether we like it or not, either one would have been historic in scope for a country that has since it's inception been ran by Old White Guys! I am proud we as a country have been able to see past the color or sex of another to elect someone aside from all those people who resemble me....It may not be right that it is an issue at this time in our history but, it is! Way to go America!

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RE: In talking with a few relatives they thought we wou... - 1/20/2009 4:21:55 AM

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I don't think or want a woman president, i don't think the world is ready for a woman to be president of the Main Super Power -- and yes, i am a woman saying this. Its indepth why i feel like this and hard to explain.

As to Obama, i do understand what Lotus was saying. And i think most people do without it being explained or nitpicked or called ignorant.

I am more focused that his legacy becomes more in the positive direction of success than a legacy of he was the first black president. This day is not the success -- this day is the beginning of his proving himself not based on his skin color but based upon all the stuff he promised and stated he was going to do and accomplish if he were elected. The color of his skin won't accomplish that for him -- so sure he is the first black president in skin color, let's see what he does in the office people elected him too. THAT to me is what will become significant in history.

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RE: In talking with a few relatives they thought we wou... - 1/20/2009 4:23:49 AM

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If the right one happens to come along, I'll happily vote for her.

i strongly agree

i am above dismissing someone based on their race or sex

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RE: In talking with a few relatives they thought we wou... - 1/20/2009 5:20:26 AM

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If the right one happens to come along, I'll happily vote for her.

i strongly agree

i am above dismissing someone based on their race or sex

I think in an ideal world this is how it would work, people vote for the best person for the job but that doesnt happen because people generally dont remove their personal bias when making a decision.

We had a female PM in the 80's and she was in no way the best person for the job.

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RE: In talking with a few relatives they thought we wou... - 1/20/2009 5:26:10 AM

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I don't think or want a woman president, i don't think the world is ready for a woman to be president of the Main Super Power -- and yes, i am a woman saying this. Its indepth why i feel like this and hard to explain.

It sounds like you are projecting your personal feelings about this. And feelings should have nothing to do with it, since it is a fact that a woman is as worthy as man.

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RE: In talking with a few relatives they thought we wou... - 1/20/2009 5:37:52 AM

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we could be ready in 4 or 8 years,,, particularly if we lose superpower status.

Gerald Celente predicts a 3rd party WILL take off some. As my guess is that Obama can not fix the grip the bankers have on us. Until that is solved- no other policy can be fixed.

They was talk of getting rid of the 2 term limits.

Shocking statement Ann Coulter made recently. Her pick for 2012.... "Ron Paul". A female Ron Paul would work. Paul was actually MORE popular then Obama.

When unemployment funds dry up- the entire gist of the argument changes.

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RE: In talking with a few relatives they thought we wou... - 1/20/2009 5:43:01 AM

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I don't think or want a woman president, i don't think the world is ready for a woman to be president of the Main Super Power -- and yes, i am a woman saying this. Its indepth why i feel like this and hard to explain.

It sounds like you are projecting your personal feelings about this. And feelings should have nothing to do with it, since it is a fact that a woman is as worthy as man.

..umm, think on that. Woman can not drive in some parts. They cant go out in public alone. Then you have world players with lots of testosterone

woman thru out the globe are not as equal as in the west. you might even consider the wage diff between ladies and men in the US.

...this you wont like,. if a woman tells me to do something vs a man telling me to do something- well there is a subtle difference. check out how kids are, mom can scream her head off. dad walks in and points at the kid and the kid behaves. so the "she is just saying that" would carry over to adulthood. I am not saying it is right..

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RE: In talking with a few relatives they thought we wou... - 1/20/2009 5:44:11 AM

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My grandaughter is going to become the first woman president. I have worked with tons of children and have never come across one as smart or headstrong as her. She is 22 months and what ever age group you put her in she becomes its leader. To bad she has 40 more years to go.

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RE: In talking with a few relatives they thought we wou... - 1/20/2009 5:45:00 AM

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...this you wont like,. if a woman tells me to do something vs a man telling me to do something- well there is a subtle difference. check out how kids are, mom can scream her head off. dad walks in and points at the kid and the kid behaves. so the "she is just saying that" would carry over to adulthood. I am not saying it is right..

Rubbish, the teachers at school who could make a room go silent mearly on entering were women, including our head teacher.

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RE: In talking with a few relatives they thought we wou... - 1/20/2009 5:45:32 AM

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Remember that six months ago, nay sayers were arguing that the country wasn't ready for a black president. Today, they are arguing it isn't ready for a woman, even though it came pretty close to it, as the inauguration of the black president is taking place . The forces of reaction are strong, but they always get beaten, eventually. But I am adamant that Clinton probably came against stronger prejudice than Barack: sexism is still a value many respect (see barelyangel's post).

Hunky? Please don't listen to Coulter: she's off her trolley. Crazy broad