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RE: Female Genital Mutilation (FGM) - 1/20/2009 8:48:18 PM

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Oh OK. So you asked the question already knowing the answer, to try to make a derogatory remark against the OP. Got it.

No, I don't think you do get it.

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RE: Female Genital Mutilation (FGM) - 1/20/2009 8:56:13 PM

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She looks pretty Native American to me slaveboy, and her comments were directed at somebody bitching about immigration, and therefore cogent.

Regardless of how one feels about immigration, calling those who don't share your view "white assholes" is hardly conducive to civilized debate.

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RE: Female Genital Mutilation (FGM) - 1/21/2009 12:12:41 AM

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I am not forgetting my European heritage being both Irish/Welsh on my mother's side which goes back to the first prime minister of Canada or my father's heritage which is Metis (Grand Prairie-French)/Vlach-Rroma (Moldavian Gypsy), both of which believe that if you even have just a little bit native or a little bit rroma in your blood then you are still native and still rroma, no matter how diluted your bloodline tends to be.
It was not too long ago that natives in this country had very little rights and were probably victims of much worse brutality and mutilation. I doubt we will ever know just how many have suffered at the hands of europeans. Wonder how many of those victims now lay in unmarked graves.
That is not the point of this thread to discuss bloodline, but there is not shortage of similar mutilations of women throughout history. FGM is certainly a type that has become more exposed since the practice of throwing acid at women's faces, stoning woment accused of adultery and hanged for having survived being raped.
The simple fact is that their right to choose is deinied to them and really do feel that nay man that actually thinks that we should turn away and ignore the practice, in my own opinion supports the practice. Perhaps as I suggested, maybe I should ready two bricks and have a couple of girls hold him down.
The other interesting factor that needs to be considered is the fact that many of the people convinced that FGM is a worthy practice, either do it out of superstition or are conditioned to think a certain way by their peers. What needs to be done is to educate about the repercussions of such a practice.
Certainly sense that if we went from one country to the next, we could probably find similar practices of mutilating women just so that men with low self-esteems could attain superiority and render women subordinate. Afterall, is that not what FGM is all about, pleasing the men even at the cost of an individual's health?

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RE: Female Genital Mutilation (FGM) - 1/21/2009 12:23:54 AM

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So should we launch a military invasion of these 3rd world backwaters? Do we forcefully compel countries to apprehend, prosecute, and imprison these clit cutting witch doctors? If so, how do you propose going about that? I don't agree with the practice, and no sensible Westerner would agree with it. The fact is that it's illegal here and I would guess illegal in most industrialized countries. As for the rest of the world, I sypathize with their plight. But there isn't much we can do about it.

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RE: Female Genital Mutilation (FGM) - 1/21/2009 1:20:46 AM

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We can do something.
We can educate.
Which is, in my opinion, the only thing that will truly lead to a change, even if it will take time.
Education is the key, not only where FGM is concerned.

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RE: Female Genital Mutilation (FGM) - 1/21/2009 4:47:28 AM

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i think it's a cultural rite as much as male circumcision is over here.
BUT i don't believe either of them is right.
FGM comes in all sorts of types as you know since you're researching, and the emotional scars it leaves these women with... eeeeech
male circumcision is heinous but atleast it's done when the boys are babies and don't remember.
i can't imagine having my clitoris chopped off and then being expected to DANCE

i dunno, i think when the effect on people IN the culture is as horrible as it is for alot of those women, then an outside force does have the right to interfere. lots of women say they wish it had never happened, and they wish they hadn't done it to their own daughters, but in alot of these places, women have virtually no say in anything.
it can interfere with urination, menstruation, EVERYTHING. and i suppose what... it's meant to control female sexuality by making it virtually pleasureless for her? so she, in essence, is reduced to nothing but an object for the pleasure of her husband.

blargh

i don't believe either FGM or male circumcision should happen anywhere, though.
if i have any boys, they're going to be left alone, dang it.

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RE: Female Genital Mutilation (FGM) - 1/21/2009 6:27:20 AM

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She looks pretty Native American to me slaveboy, and her comments were directed at somebody bitching about immigration, and therefore cogent.

Regardless of how one feels about immigration, calling those who don't share your view "white assholes" is hardly conducive to civilized debate.

Agreed, it's a tarbaby, we're all here now, the past can't be changed, and we have to move foreward, but attitudes don't always change.

After listening to conservatives telling everybody who disagrees with them to leave the country for Eight - no, scratch that, my whole life, people who would obviously be more at home in theocratic fascist government like Iran, it's refreshing to hear it from somebody else for a change - who do you think they learned it from?

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RE: Female Genital Mutilation (FGM) - 1/21/2009 8:24:41 AM

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Oh OK. So you asked the question already knowing the answer, to try to make a derogatory remark against the OP. Got it.

No, I don't think you do get it.

You're right. I re-read some stuff. I get where you're coming from now. My apologies for the rocks in my head.

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RE: Female Genital Mutilation (FGM) - 1/21/2009 3:03:03 PM

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You know, a lot of people claim Oirish ancestry for that very reason. And you can't do much more European than that.

Oh dear Kittin, I am aware of this. We call them "Plastic Paddies." My family is from Appalachia. We are mostly Scots-Irish (Ulster-Scots). We are Protestants. The majority of people rooted in Appalachia are protestants. During the Irish famine of the 1840's, Ulster-Scots started calling themselves., "Scots-Irish" in order to seperate themselves from Catholic Irish. I am not Irish, and I laugh when people assume that from my last name. I am a Ulster-Scot. My family were Scots that moved to Ulster and left later. I am not a person that cares that much about it. I am a human ultimately. But I do love history, so I do know my backround. I get annoyed all the time when folks around me try to latch on to discrimination practices against the Irish during the Potato Famine. Really, they just don't understand the difference between , Catholic Irish and Scots-Irish (Ulster-Scots).

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