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RE: britain wants guns back - 1/23/2009 10:36:21 AM   
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The people who want them should have them.


Feel free to travel to Britain with your wonderful message and to start a referendum going.


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RE: britain wants guns back - 1/23/2009 10:50:25 AM   
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There are a lot of interesting facts about pellet guns. In early europe guns that fired bullets were banned, To get around that ban powerful air guns were invented.  In Canada you can only own a bb gun that shoots 420fps.

Kaine wall-mart quit selling guns. K mart is mostly limited to shotguns.

If America did not have guns we would be British or mabey Germans or Japanese by now. Or put it another way . If America did not have guns Britan would be speaking German.


Oh Jesus.

Firstly, you can't apply any of that civil war era stuff to our modern world.  It's totally irrelevant.

Secondly, the 2nd Ammendment had absolutely nothing to do with America's part in the WWII.

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RE: britain wants guns back - 1/23/2009 10:55:31 AM   
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And finally, to reply to the OP: Britain doesn't want guns back. Dunblane changed public perception, and I hope it remains that way. 

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RE: britain wants guns back - 1/23/2009 11:00:54 AM   
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Let's debunk a couple of things.  What do you define as effective gun control?  There are over 200000 gun control laws at the federal level here in the states now and none of those are doing anything but making it harder for law abiding citizens to exercise a protected right.  School shootings?  Schools are already "Gun Free" zones.  Not stopping the shooters very well now, is it?  Why pass another law if the ones we already have don't work?


Seung-Hui Cho, a man that suffered from severe anxiety disorder, who had been asked to recieve counseling from at least one professor, who had been accused of stalking, and had several other alarm bells about him, was able to legally purchase the fire arms which he used to kill 32 people.

Either the laws at the time concerning guns were not enough in 2007 or they were not enforced properly.

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RE: britain wants guns back - 1/23/2009 11:04:44 AM   
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Popeye, your principle is that if you want firearms, you should have them. In the U.K., the principle is that if people don't want firearms, they shouldn't have them.

See? Simplissimo. 


Not that "simplissimo".
The people who want them should have them.


Ok well i want a machete, a few bombs, a machine gun and a porsche spyder.
Should i have them just cos i want them?

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RE: britain wants guns back - 1/23/2009 11:05:20 AM   
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So why dosent your country do what Americans do. Put it up for a vote.


Because it simply isn't an issue.  It isn't even an agenda of ANY of the main political parties, as far as I know.

There just isn't any large call for a "return to arms" in the UK.

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RE: britain wants guns back - 1/23/2009 11:09:28 AM   
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Ok well i want a machete, a few bombs, a machine gun and a porsche spyder.
Should i have them just cos i want them?


I want a few bombs.

If terrorists can have them, why can't I?  Isn't it about time law abiding citizens could carry bombs?  Surely its better that way than just the criminals owning them.

After all, y'know, freedom.  I want bombs, darn it.

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RE: britain wants guns back - 1/23/2009 11:13:36 AM   
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Ok well i want a machete, a few bombs, a machine gun and a porsche spyder.
Should i have them just cos i want them?


I want a few bombs.

If terrorists can have them, why can't I?  Isn't it about time law abiding citizens could carry bombs?  Surely its better that way than just the criminals owning them.

After all, y'know, freedom.  I want bombs, darn it.


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RE: britain wants guns back - 1/23/2009 11:24:00 AM   
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Not that "simplissimo".
The people who want them should have them.


Absolutely.  Which is why you apply for a licence.
Simple no?
 
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RE: britain wants guns back - 1/23/2009 12:47:22 PM   
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If America did not have guns we would be British or mabey Germans or Japanese by now. Or put it another way . If America did not have guns Britan would be speaking German.


Bullshit Ray.  I thought you would have known better.

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RE: britain wants guns back - 1/23/2009 1:12:34 PM   
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True, if you want a gun, have good reason for having a gun, no, self protection and second amendment does'nt count here, you can apply for a firearms licence. No problem if you are a legitimate user with good standing, but before you get your grubby little mitts on a licence, you as a person are scutinised, your past is examined, past convictions or cautions are taken into consideration as is your health record. Any sniff of mental health problems, and this includes depression, forget it, your GP who is responsible for saying you are medically fit to proceed with the licence application has their own conscience to consider, not to mention the law. This I know from a friend who went through the application procedure just to own a shotgun for rabbit hunting, he had had in the past depression following a motorcycle accident, it was years ago, perhaps ten years ago, but it was there on his record, mental illness. His application did not get past the GP stage. Although he was advised that due to fact he had had police interest in the past for being caught fighting whilst drunk, that would be enough for the police to say no. Fair enough says I there is a procedure and in this case it was followed, now if that is done in every application and people get knocked back on the grounds of a history of violence or mental illness, that is far less legal firearms available to be used in society.Not to forget those who have been successful in their application and have a firearms licence and so own a gun, nothing is to say they are safe with that gun, people can go over the edge at any time, too many things can change in their life, depression is not a disease of the weak, neither is anger and unreasonable behaviour.

I hold some part of a firearms licence, I forget what part, but the part that enables me to service and use cartridge hammers, whether firearms certification is required or not anymore, I don't know, but I can do without those noisy smelly tools and if required will gladly give  the certification back, as I no longer deal with the things. I cannot think in my new future where I will be required to hammer a nail through a rolled steel joist.

And before you say cartridge hammers are not weapons, one was stolen from our company, sprayed black and used to hold up a post office in the next county, it's very looks making it appear to be something else. A weapon it is not despite using nitrate cartridges, the interlocks to make the thing fire cannot be overcome in normal use, and it is debatable whether it can be modified to be anything more than a thing that hammers nails. Of things that hammer nails by rapid explosive expansion there are other things on the market which do not require a licence to have or use that are capable of inflicting harm far more readily than a nitrate cartridge hammer.

Edited to add, I have been shot at before, and it bloody hurt, so what if it was salt, I was shot at by a farmer with a gun, why, well, I was on his land with my pals when I was an um. This farmer was known to patrol his land brandishing his gun and he was a special cuntstable at that. But thinking back on it, farmers and guns and land, perhaps it is they, or some of them might be considered to have a frontier mentality and many farmers are under pressure with financial problems, the problems of living detached from society by the view that farms are out of town and the possibility of crime being committed upon them. Robberies happen to farms, sometimes just for the firearms that are held there. No wonder the police in their actions regularly and sometimes without warning check up on a known licence holder and the way they store their weapons, quite rightly so.


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RE: britain wants guns back - 1/23/2009 1:25:59 PM   
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As I said earlier the only people on this thread saying that we should have the right to guns are Americans all of the Brits have been adverse to the idea


It's actually comical: "you should do as I do, not as you want to do".



Highly comical. One simple years old video on YouTube that has nothing to do with gun control and we should insist on a vote for the right to have something very few of us want?

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RE: britain wants guns back - 1/23/2009 1:28:21 PM   
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Highly comical. One simple years old video on YouTube that has nothing to do with gun control and we should insist on a vote for the right to have something very few of us want?


Well Susie now you put it like that of course we should have a vote. Lets nip down to number 10 in the morning yeah?

Joking aside I half wish we did have a vote on it so we could simply produce the results and end people telling us how to live our lives and how much they love their guns.

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RE: britain wants guns back - 1/23/2009 1:36:53 PM   
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Weird isn't it? They ban guns...and then people start killing each other with knives. Why don't we ban people who kill instead of knives and guns...just a suggestion. But, that's what you get when you turn your power over to someone else.


Really??? is that it when I turn power over to someone else??? Maybe I should have another think about if I really want to submit then...when thats the result for turning power over...

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RE: britain wants guns back - 1/23/2009 1:38:43 PM   
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Highly comical. One simple years old video on YouTube that has nothing to do with gun control and we should insist on a vote for the right to have something very few of us want?


Well Susie now you put it like that of course we should have a vote. Lets nip down to number 10 in the morning yeah?

Joking aside I half wish we did have a vote on it so we could simply produce the results and end people telling us how to live our lives and how much they love their guns.


Good Idea


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RE: britain wants guns back - 1/23/2009 1:40:38 PM   
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Aneirin, and just who decides all that, not the "government" I hope?

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RE: britain wants guns back - 1/23/2009 1:52:57 PM   
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This farmer was known to patrol his land brandishing his gun and he was a special cuntstable at that.





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RE: britain wants guns back - 1/23/2009 2:02:00 PM   
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I assume the people who are deemed responsible enough to make a judgement as to a person's suitability for firearm ownership. In this case, the GP general practitioner, the applicant's doctor, and the police, any records they have about a person's past conduct. That, is as far as I am aware, perhaps there is more involved, I don't know, but what I have quoted was the daily blow by blow account of a work colleague's saga about his application for a firearms licence.

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RE: britain wants guns back - 1/23/2009 2:04:59 PM   
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This farmer was known to patrol his land brandishing his gun and he was a special cuntstable at that.






I am glad you found it amusing, in this person's case, the cap definitely fitted, though not saying all special constables are worthy of the bastardisation of the word constable


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RE: britain wants guns back - 1/23/2009 2:07:40 PM   
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Sorry, Aneirin - I wasn't sure whether you meant to write it like that or not, but it certainly was appropriate and it made me laugh. I wasn't making fun of your experience: I apologise if it came across that way. 

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