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MHOO314 -> RE: Question regarding "unment....." (1/10/2006 4:45:12 AM)

Good points--but about vanilla sex----this took things to the extreme, and we only know what the child admits to hearing---with the preponderence of programs about battered wives, abused women, etc etc---this may well develop into not a beautiful thing in his eyes--and I do have an unmentionable--I have kept My private life like that--private--boys are very protective of Mothers---a whole different dynamic---I still dont see the answer about the relationship as I get the impression this is not dad but step dad--again a whole new dynamic--unmentionables that age have sleep overs. IMHO, save those overt moments for when he or they are away--




LuckyAlbatross -> RE: Question regarding "unment....." (1/10/2006 5:57:09 AM)


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ORIGINAL: krys
However, if he has asked and you have spoken about it, and he doesn't seem to be behaving strangely, I would just let it be. Don't keep bringing it up. A child will know you are happy in the way you behave day-to-day. But if you just keep poking and proding at it, it may focus his attention on something he's already gotten over.

I think there's a difference between poking and prodding and doing a follow-up to make sure things are ok. Communication is a process. Fears don't just come and go and if they are going to continue playing while the person is around, even with masking sounds, the child will now be alert and watchful for them.

Do I think this person is traumatized for life? No. Do I think this parent is awful? No.

But it's an oops situation that needs to be handled directly. The person is pretty awesome for having the guts to come out about his feelings to his mother, and they should be respected and understood. We also have no idea of the relationship the person has with this master which make a HUGE difference either way.




EriaeMelody -> RE: Question regarding "unment....." (1/10/2006 6:21:06 AM)

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Parents are human, and sometimes they do things around their kids that they probably shouldn't. Like swearing in traffic like a sailor with tourettes. Kids survive. If you have children, and you have sex, that "Get off my Mom!" moment is always a possibility. If your kids live with you and you have a day job, restricting your sex life to moments when they aren't home is going to leave you pretty celibate. Bringing a little less silence into the house is definatly a good idea. Leave the TV on nightly, eventually he will get used to sounds in the house and sleep through them. If you don't want your child to overhear you saying "Master", translate that title into another language and use that word instead.

If your child has already had the sex talk, and is aware that you were engaged in some sort of sexual activity at the time, you may want to explain that sometimes it can be an emotionally intense experience. Sometimes people laugh, sometimes people cry. Because its so special.

However, if he has asked and you have spoken about it, and he doesn't seem to be behaving strangely, I would just let it be. Don't keep bringing it up. A child will know you are happy in the way you behave day-to-day. But if you just keep poking and proding at it, it may focus his attention on something he's already gotten over.


Along with what MercnBeth said...this is the best advice given




sweetwhisper -> RE: Question regarding "unment....." (1/10/2006 6:26:43 AM)

Is He my unmentionables dad? No.

My unmentionable went from seeing his mother take the lead with his own father and be the one pretty much incharge to seeing me very submissive to my Master.
So, i am sure that has an impact, but i really don't know how it will affect him in the long run. He DOES see me much much happier now than ever.

As far as that advice i keep reading on the threads about getting a babysitter when you're going to play - it's not like i was hanging from a cross people, we were having sex, when he heard me say Master- the crying was at another time over something i had done wrong - and i cried. My unmentionable brought it up to me along with the fact he heard me saying Master.

i just find it unrealistic to suggest to someone to get a babysitter every time you're going to have sex - cause basically that's what we do, we have sex, yes it may be considered wild & kinky sex by some, but it is sex, and we have sex pretty much on a nightly basis, so the babysitting idea won't work.










LuckyAlbatross -> RE: Question regarding "unment....." (1/10/2006 6:34:56 AM)


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ORIGINAL: sweetwhisper
Is He my unmentionables dad? No.

The relationship this person has with your master is key here, both today and how it will develop. You are the bridge between that. This COULD be an excellent position for you all to lay groundwork for communication and respect for years to come.

My unmentionable went from seeing his mother take the lead with his own father and be the one pretty much incharge to seeing me very submissive to my Master.
So, i am sure that has an impact, but i really don't know how it will affect him in the long run. He DOES see me much much happier now than ever.

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My unmentionable brought it up to me along with the fact he heard me saying Master.

i just find it unrealistic to suggest to someone to get a babysitter every time you're going to have sex - cause basically that's what we do, we have sex, yes it may be considered wild & kinky sex by some, but it is sex, and we have sex pretty much on a nightly basis, so the babysitting idea won't work.[/color]
I agree, adults should be able to have sex and do adult sex things, even loudly, with other younger persons around. Their privacy should be respected.

But the younger persons feelings need to be respected as well, not to mention their need for sleep. Crying and being scared during "happy adult time" is not something easily reconciled for a young person. If all you're doing is fun laughing sexy stuff, then it's just a matter of having sex "adult private times only knock when it's an emergency and we'll keep it to a dull roar" sort of thing.

But if you go into darker things, things that will be processed as not cool by the younger person- save it for when the person isn't around. And I remain firm on my advice to continue talking with him, help him understand that you ARE happy explicitly, that you ARE there to make sure his life is stable and secure, and hopefully get your master involved as well. One can assume that you want this to develop into a lifelong commitment together, so beginning to blend the new family together makes sense.










MrDiscipline44 -> RE: Question regarding "unment....." (1/10/2006 7:29:16 AM)

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ORIGINAL: sweetwhisper

ok, my "unmentionable" over heard me the other night as Master and i were at play, he later asked why i was saying "Master", and says he heard me cry and it scared him... i said that we were only playing around - but i don't think he bought it, and i don't blame him. Have any of you been through something like this, and if so, what can you say ?


Ok, here you only said he over heard you and your Master "playing". Here you say something totally different:

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ORIGINAL: sweetwhisper


As far as that advice i keep reading on the threads about getting a babysitter when you're going to play - it's not like i was hanging from a cross people, we were having sex, when he heard me say Master- the crying was at another time over something i had done wrong - and i cried. My unmentionable brought it up to me along with the fact he heard me saying Master.


It seems your getting pissy about the advise when you didn't come out with all the information.

So here's the dealio, you tell the squirt that "Master" is a pet name you have for your man. That is, after all, part of the truth. You also tell little man that your crying is because you had done something wrong and was sorry for it. Being a child, I'm sure he's done the samething. It is also the truth.




sweetwhisper -> RE: Question regarding "unment....." (1/10/2006 7:53:57 AM)

play, sex, scene, session, etc etc etc... it's all the same for us since for us D/s is an all the time 24/7 365 days a year thing, so when we have sex we are having sex as Master and slave ~ So, when i said we were 'playing' i meant 'sex' since for me it's the same thing - it's not like we have vanilla sex every night and then "play" on some nights...so, i wasn't changing my story, just clarifying what i meant by "play", however, like i said, it wasn't as if i was hanging from a cross or shackled to the ceiling or anything, i mean it wasn't to that intensity, just regular BDSM hot monkey sex. : )

Thanks for the advice tho
[;)]




KnightofMists -> RE: Question regarding "unment....." (1/11/2006 2:43:04 PM)

As a person with 4 little lifestyler’s in my house, I believe I can provide some thoughts out of experience. Mine are from teen to the age in question and not treated as some lesser person because of they are not adults. They are treated appropriately to their Intellectual and emotional maturity at any given time. My eldest is fast learning the facts of life and it wasn’t to recently that she said “I going to be just like Daddy, But the female version”. Now exactly, what she meant with that, I am not so sure. But, it reflects to myself what I always felt and known for some time. These little ones are quick to see what is going around them and they will take an interest in there environment. I would actually be very concerned if I saw no signs from them that indicate they see differences in their parents as compared to others.

So, I disagree with Lucky, and the OP. . “it is none their Business!” Their Business being the environment they are in and all that they are exposed too!. They live in your house and that is their environment, you are an important part of their life and care about you and love you, but they are also concerned for their own happiness as well. If they perceive a threat to those they love and/or their own security/happiness, they will make it their business and rightly so. I think this is a healthy indication of a little person seeking to be responsible for their own world of happiness. Do not just look from your perspective…. Look at from their’s… they don’t want or even need to understand what is happening… they just want to know it is OK that they are safe and life is good for them.. Now of course as for little ones that are older or are younger, their awareness of things are around them will be more or less. Therefore, I agree with Lucky, in that your Behaviors of play “Made it His Business” Now you have to deal with it!

How to deal with it?

I am very much against the Idea of “Because, I told you so!”. That smacks more of , I don’t know what to say than actually than actually dealing with the issue and generally speaking is a lazy way to approach a hard issue. Sooner or later, this approach will fail to be an acceptable answer. I could go on great length on the reasons why this approach is actually less effective in the long term, but if those people wish to use this approach so be it. Providing and being open to intellectual and emotional appropriate reasoning for those little ones with their issues and questions is harder and more challenging, but it truly is not for everyone. I will also state that, I at one time been in the mindset to do “Because, I told you so!” I also have to say that my desire to learn and grow beyond this approach as been enlightening and fortunately, I learned to practice a different approach before my relationship with my little ones was forever affected because of it.

I believe that not only you but also your Master have to be equal in dealing with the issue. I would also raise a huge flag if the Master is not the father, and the Dad is still in his life. This clearly increases the dynamics of the problem, particularly if the father is not aware of your lifestyle. I would also add that, you need to consider the little ones emotional and intellectual maturity. He will know and see things are different from you and your Master and other adult relationships. He stays at a friend’s house etc, he will see them and compare them. If you don’t instill in him that Individuality and uniqueness is strength to be admired, then your distinct differences could very much have a wrong impact. As a not, “Because, I told you so” will teaching conformist ideals and opinions to authority. As he grows older and begins to hold on to the conformist ideas to have relationships, then how is going to function in society that sees your relationship as Wrong! You put him is a quandary.

You need to appreciate if this situation is an isolated incident or is there other incidents that reflect this concern. It is not likely that this was the only time, so passing of the incident is being only a one time deal… well that will make you a liar in his eyes. Not good to lose integrity from your little one.

I think the idea of using “Master”: as a term of endearment is an excellent one… and it works… of course in my house alandra and kyra will acknowledge me as “My Lord”… but the question was asked… and the approach was used. It’s apart of their home life now… not something that is different or weird for them.

I also think teaching them about Privacy is a very good idea. My two oldest don’t have doors on their rooms, they are going to appreciate privacy all the more when they get it. They are also learning that life isn’t fair… because the two younger have doors on there rooms. They are learning privacy is a privilege as well as learning that not all privileges are earned by others. They are learning not to covet what others have, even if it something they want. If the want it, they must earn it. They are also learning that sometimes they will get things without actually earning them, but they need to appreciative of it none the less. Privacy is very important, but so is respect of others space. My two eldest are learning that they affect those around them. The open door cause all types of sounds to come from there room. If privacy is to be kept, one must protect that privacy by taking appropriate actions. They play their music and TV at the same time… but yet you can’t hear them from the other room. What we do, teaches them privacy. Your actions are not private… Once you affected his environment you not only show him a lack of importance or respect to privacy. Remember, your sounds and noise invaded his privacy, not the other way around!

Largely, you need to assess what he has been exposed to… and change your behaviors! Make different choices to play in privacy! If the issue doesn’t come up for him… it will be likely that he will buy it. But if this problem becomes a reoccurring issue… then you are going to have a lot of explaining to do. Kids talk to each other…. Sooner or later it could be heard by the wrong person. It’s a risk are you prepared to take that risk? Risk Aware Consensual Kink! Some how I don’t think he is consenting! The best way to deal the issue Is likely what you already done and now you need to change the behaviors of your own.




swtnsparkling -> RE: Question regarding "unment....." (1/11/2006 3:31:20 PM)

Wonderful Post




MHOO314 -> RE: Question regarding "unment....." (1/11/2006 3:51:39 PM)

This story now is taking on a completely different aspect, it now happens in two different time frames and unrelated--that isnt what the OP led us to believe.




denika -> RE: Question regarding "unment....." (1/11/2006 3:56:35 PM)

Well said!

I grew up in a very loving enviroment with four older brothers and one sister it wasn't until just recently and after a coversation with Knight that I really looked at the arrangment we had in our home. My parents had a live in Nanny,with six of us monsters in the house my Mum needed and deserved the sanity break! *s* Aunt Alice was a beautiful woman the same age as my Mum and I never thought anything of it, fifty one years later they are still friends and after our conversation I really did start to wonder, where did Aunt Alice sleep *s* I remember the floor plans of the house well, she didn't have a room. When I asked my Mum about it she just smiled and blushed, her responce was a crisp 'Ladies do not discuss these things' I got my answer. *ss* My parents were poly in the fifties and on through to the late sixties. Alice had moved on to her own life and I only remember her being around when I was younger in the seventies (there is a 17 year age diffrence between myself and older brother)
The fact there was the three of them made no diffrence to us as children as long as we knew we were loved and safe. I am privliaged to say my childhood, for the most part was filled with creativity, laughter and the knowledge that I was loved by those I looked up to.

I was never once told "because I said so" when I asked questions, my parents felt that sentence was a cop out, good thing too. As a teenager I was a bit...peculiar shall we say *ss* and they handled with the same creativity, if I had heard "Because I said so" I probably would have done worse things just to make a point, instead I spent many a long hour talking with my Mum and forging a friendship and deep respect.

What ever relationship they had with Alice is theirs and not mine to dig into but it must have been something beatiful for all of us to turn out the way we have.


denika




acadia -> RE: Question regarding "unment....." (1/11/2006 4:05:56 PM)

Just an aside... why are we calling them "unmentionables"?




MHOO314 -> RE: Question regarding "unment....." (1/11/2006 4:08:44 PM)


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ORIGINAL: acadia

Just an aside... why are we calling them "unmentionables"?


because to use the actual word in the boards will get one punished for a period of time.




acadia -> RE: Question regarding "unment....." (1/11/2006 4:43:47 PM)

Why is that?

(And don't say, "Because I said so"... LOL)




Sensualips -> RE: Question regarding "unment....." (1/11/2006 5:18:59 PM)

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we were having sex, when he heard me say Master- the crying was at another time over something i had done wrong - and i cried. My unmentionable brought it up to me along with the fact he heard me saying Master.


This paints a different picture, though I am not sure a "better" one from a child development perspective. The short person has connected these things in his mind, and brought them to you. It is important to remember little ones see, hear, sense, and intuitively understand (at their level) much more than we typically credit them with.

I would agree it is not practical to refrain from having sex EVER when your children are present in a live in situation. I certainly had a few "oops" situations with my short people when their father and I were married and lived together. We dealt with them on a case by case basis, discussed privacy, and changed patterns to avoid them in the future. The bottom line is it doesn't matter exactly what kind of sex you were having -- what he overheard was distressing enough to him that he brought it to you.





IrishMist -> RE: Question regarding "unment....." (1/11/2006 5:31:39 PM)

I was originally going to stay out of this conversation, mainly because it's such an emotional one ( any time unmentionables are involved, its emotional ) but, being me, I can't keep my mouth shut [:)]

quote:

Have any of you been through something like this, and if so, what can you say ?


Yep, but not in the same context of you. Two years ago, my daughter saw me covered in bruises ( I had forgotten about them, so they were not covered ). When she asked me about it, I told her basically the truth...that I had gone on a date, this was the result, but that it was something that I liked. She asked a couple more questions, and then that was it. Every once in awhile she brings it up, but it's more along the lines of curiosity than fear for me.

With that said, I have to let it be known that I agree totally with what MercnBeth had to say. I have always held with the truth that I don't have to EXPLAIN my actions to my children. I am an adult, I make decisions, I live with them, but I do not have to explain them to a child, nor will I. Your son overheard something that was private. There is no reason why you can not just say to him 'sometimes adults do and say things that you are not going to understand. This is one of those times" and leave it at that.

I am not discounting the fact that maybe your son is feeling insecure, but I would still handle it that way. What happens behind a closed door, stays behind a closed door. You are the parent, hes the child...there is no reason why you should be explaining your relationship to him.




Wolfie648 -> RE: Question regarding "unment....." (1/11/2006 11:48:51 PM)

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ok, my "unmentionable" over heard me the other night as Master and i were at play, he later asked why i was saying "Master", and says he heard me cry and it scared him... i said that we were only playing around - but i don't think he bought it, and i don't blame him. Have any of you been through something like this, and if so, what can you say ?


I'm assuming from other posts that your 'unmentionable' is a child not another sub or slave. I'm really not sure why you would call him an unmentionable however. Moving right along:

_From what you describe_. You did not acknowledge his fear. You did not address his concern for safety for you - in a serious manner. You treated him like a child - not someone (a person old enough to discern) asking a question concerning your well being. I don't know how old he is - and don't want to. Maybe he's too young - that's your call.

You don't have to be explicit to get the point across that you enjoy the activities that made you say master and that you are a willing participant _and_ that you can completely understand his concern for your wellbeing but you chose and want to be in that situation. You could also tell him that you didn't want to worry him and that you thought he would be asleep (I hope) at that time so he wouldn't have to worry.

D (owner of j)




fldrkhorse -> RE: Question regarding "unment....." (1/12/2006 4:06:00 AM)

You could be over reacting for the moment. I agree with term of endearment response, it's easy for a youngun to understand pet names. Honey, baby, sweetie, etc.

It's also absolutely imperative, a hard limit, and no compromise, that Master understand and respect the fact that the walls have ears.




MHOO314 -> RE: Question regarding "unment....." (1/12/2006 6:27:56 AM)


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ORIGINAL: Wolfie648


I'm assuming from other posts that your 'unmentionable' is a child not another sub or slave. I'm really not sure why you would call him an unmentionable however. Moving right along:

TOS do not allow us to use the terms mentioned above in BDSM postings.




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