JohnWarren
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ORIGINAL: TheHungryTiger
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when they found The only issue I meant to raise was when and how the information got leaked. I could drop off “those parents were just upset” and “a swinger's group was at the hotel” too for all it matters. Those are not central to the issue I was wanting to bring up of how and when the info got leaked. So I dropped one word. Whoptie-freekin-doo. So what? You would think nobody on the net has ever heard of scrolling up the page.
It was a key word. Sorta like the "not" that got lost in transmission in Tallsmanville last week, except this "maybe" was removed intentionally to make my original statement look more doctinare to lend credence to you
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Seems a much more likely situation than some some grand consparacy by a watchdog group trying to "oppress our freedoms" ..... Ya think it was some sleeper cell that was in the soccer organization? Or maybe when this theoretical watchdog group got wind of the event (Again, I ask HOW did they find out if security is as tight as folks are claiming) that the group managed to send in an undercover spy who pretended to be part of the soccer origination.
If there actualy WAS some group that monitors bdsm events tryign to disrupt them, than why didnt that group itself make the complaint to the hotel? Why did the complaint come from the soccermoms?
This was their initial approach a few years ago when the closed down Viscious Valentine, Ohio Leatherfest and disrupted Tribal Fire, but recently groups have gotten more savvy by concealing the location of the event and by making sure contracts with hotels have been steel clad.
BDSM is getting to be more sophisticated in protecting itself and the attention may be moving to swingers.
The hope may have been to get some of those boys into the event itself, as Boston attempted with my business so that more serious charges could be lodged. When that failed they tried taking pictures of "public indecency" but from what can be seen in the local papers and on local television what they got could have been seen on any public beach. Given that this is start-of-season for television, had any "juicy" pictures been available you can bet they would have been all over the news (naughty parts blurred out and a warning "this might not be suitable for children" (which translates as "turn on your vcr.) ) Instead we are left with unsubstantiated compaints which the police could not confirm.
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But na! Lets not actually address the issue of how the info got leaked. Lets just nitpick over the inclusion or exclusion of an individual word, make kneejerk insults regarding "honesty", and sprout some conspiracy theory that there is a grand highly organized group operating in secret to oppress all others.
As I've pointed out, you were the one who excluded the word with the intent of making my original post less credible. But then, to use words that may have special significance in your political world, "We're not here to play the blame game."
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Ya know, if someone claimed "there is a highly organized plot by the Jews operating in secret trying to control everyone else's behavior" the ridiculousness of the situation would be clear. But instead when claims of "there is a highly orgnized plot by the Christians operating in secret trying to control everyone else's behavior" there is instead nods of agreement.
Ya know, back a few years ago, there were a lot of claims of "a highly organized plot by the Jews operating in secret trying to control everyone else's behavior" and people nodded but laughted at the idea of "a highly organized plot by the white Christians operating in secret trying to control everyone else's behavior" and we managed to overlook the Nazis. Maybe what we need to do is just worry about anyones plot without making it a religious issue.
In any case the CWA hardly operates in secret. (http://www.cwfa.org/) In past years they have made a concerted attempt to disrupt conventions by those whose sexuality they do not approve. They area adaptable. On the second year I attended OLF, a button wearing CWA member, got in and ran about sprinking holy water on the guests. That was less successful than they might have hoped. The next year there were pickets and the group changed hotels after that. Finally, a flood of fax and phone threats to the hotel caused to tear up the contract less than three days before the event was to begin and it had to be reschduled under heavy security in a warehouse in another part of town.
CWA is the group with which I have the most contact. There is also the Pure Life Ministries, National Colition for the Protection of Children and Families, even groups like Safe Libraries. These aren't straw men.
I'll restate my thesis. I'm not saying this was a planned thing, but I am saying it could have been, and it's amazing the outrage that has been generated by a few media savvy people who don't have a single picture showing anything improper in this world of digital and cell cameras makes me wonder if intentionally or unintentionally it has been blown up out of all proportion.
< Message edited by JohnWarren -- 1/10/2006 8:18:15 AM >
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