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William Lynn and the anti lobbyist pledge - 1/23/2009 6:47:22 AM   
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So we get tough talk from Obama about lobbyists serving in his administration while former defense contractor lobbyist William Lynn is up for the position of Deputy Defense Secretary. White House press secretary Robert Gibbs basically waved it off since it does not violate the letter of Obama's pledge, only the spirit of it.

When I heard Obama's remarks about his position on lobbyists in his administration I was actually encouraged but it now is starting to seem like it's just business as usual.

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RE: William Lynn and the anti lobbyist pledge - 1/23/2009 8:01:29 AM   
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They can sit down at their kitchen table and write a letter to their congressmen or senators just like the rest of us.
They shouldn't have special access.
I can't remember the last time I played golf with my congressman or senators.

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RE: William Lynn and the anti lobbyist pledge - 1/23/2009 8:12:31 AM   
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I had little doubt that "O" (chior singing allalula in back round) would be nothing more then the chicago political machine gone big time. I had HOPE that he would prove me wrong. He hasn't. his sec of treasuryis a tax evaider, and the press is OK with that. But the media is SO in love with him. NOT to change the subject here , but I was listening to GMA and that twit diane sawyer was interviewing a dr. He was saying how they had made a break through in spinal cord injury. well twit , asked why is this comming out now ? then she answered her own question by actually saying " could it be , because of this week and the new change and the Obama administration?"

I wanted to puke !
FOR the love of God, Please he hasnt been in office  a week yet and they have this guy painted as some sort of vunderkid.
its going to be a LONG 4 years!

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RE: William Lynn and the anti lobbyist pledge - 1/23/2009 9:12:23 AM   
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Status: offline 		If the guy works for the interests of the public,as all public officials should do,I don`t see any problem.

What folks are getting at is that things won`t be run by corporate America/business interests,for the sole benefit of corporate America/business interests.

It would be almost impossible to find qualified folks to fill this vital positions if those who worked for corporate America/business interests were excluded.

Most people know what President Obama is talking about.

For those that don`t:

The EPA won`t be headed by someone who pushed for more pollution releases(as a lobbyist,CEO,etc.)

The Food and Drug admin. won`t be headed by guys who worked against the FDA (as a food industry rep. or lobbyist)

The labor dept won`t be run by a union busting predator capitalist.

Health and Human services won`t be headed by a health insurance industry lobbest/CEO.

Corporate interests will still get a hearing and will sill have the lion`s share of influence in DC,they just won`t be running every single agencies and dept.

In other words,the fox is getting kicked out of the head house.

Iv`e said it before and I`ll say it again.President Obama won`t please everyone.The left and right are going to be both disappointed.



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RE: William Lynn and the anti lobbyist pledge - 1/23/2009 9:40:08 AM   
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In other words,the fox is getting kicked out of the head house.


I'm going to assume that you meant to say "hen house" and add that it doesn't really appear in this case that the fox is being kicked out. He's merely being relegated to deputy status.

I know Obama is not going to please everyone all the time. No president can do this. This is not about making everybody happy. This is about saying you will do things one way and then doing something else that is in conflict with what you just said. It's an empty pledge.

I made a decision to try to find a bright side to the Obama presidency and not look at it as such a downer. I heard his remarks Friday morning on the radio and agreed wholeheartedly with them and though to myself "this guy is not playing around - he means business". Then I read about William Lynn.

I'm prepared to be disappointed but I'd rather it not include deception.




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RE: William Lynn and the anti lobbyist pledge - 1/23/2009 10:46:06 AM   
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Obama`s campaign had few to no associations with DC lobbyists.

McCain`s campaign was run by them.There wasn`t someone who wasn`t a lobbyist.The campaign manager was lobbying for the Country of Georgia during the campaign right up to just weeks before the McCain/Georgia/Russia debacle un-folded.

Same with bush`s admin.Government by of and for corporate America.Not a single decission or exc.order in favor of the consumer,worker ,soldier or the insured.

I think you`re being a little to strict.Anyone can parse,spin,tear down or find an inconsistency with anything.

Again,I think most people know what Obama`s talking about.The shift will be tidal.Thanks for the correction.I to,am flawed.


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RE: William Lynn and the anti lobbyist pledge - 1/23/2009 10:48:13 AM   
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We need to outlaw lobbyists!
They can sit down at their kitchen table and write a letter to their congressmen or senators just like the rest of us.
They shouldn't have special access.
I can't remember the last time I played golf with my congressman or senators.


Yes, ban lobbyists, because the idiots we send to Congress are subject matter experts on *everything* that goes on in this country. The legitimate purpose of lobbying is education of those that represent us.

Since Congress now has way too much power over commerce in this country lobbying is used to:
1). Attempt to keep Congress off the back of a specific company or industry.
2). Create unfair market advantage for specific companies or industries.

Lobbyists aren't the problem *our government* is. Blaming lobbyists is blaming the bank teller for the bank robbery.

And good luck getting your congressman to ban lobbying, are you going to insist on term limits too ? hahahaha


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RE: William Lynn and the anti lobbyist pledge - 1/23/2009 10:54:30 AM   
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Regulate/limit lobbying.

An equal hearing and equal consideration without having the most money deciding who gets heard.

In this,the winner`s will be the little guy and the losers with be the moneyed.But they both have a right to get heard.

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RE: William Lynn and the anti lobbyist pledge - 1/23/2009 10:59:23 AM   
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Again,I think most people know what Obama`s talking about.The shift will be tidal.Thanks for the correction.I to,am flawed.



You actually think Obama will bring *change*. He's bringing exactly the same thing any Democrat would bring, more government power, higher taxes, less individual liberty. The only difference with Obama is his critics are going to be called racists regardless of the merits of their criticism.

Do you actually believe the fantasy land propaganda that comes out of your mouth or are you just flame baiting ?

And let me clue you in, McCain is a fucking idiot. He won the primary because the conservative vote was split between 4 or so ho-hum candidates. McCain got the pre-Reagan liberal Republican vote which in addition to the Democrats that crossed the isle to vote in the our primary was enough for him to win. A flaming pile of dog-shit would of gotten the same amount of votes as McCain did this past November.


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RE: William Lynn and the anti lobbyist pledge - 1/23/2009 11:03:01 AM   
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Status: offline 		It`s been one day and you have it all nailed down and it`s all bad.

I`ll give him a little more time.

A honeymoon.

If you define government power by regulating Wallstreet,Banks,polluters,corporate thieves and predatory capitalist scalawags,then I say bring it on!

The crash/recession,it`s real and not just meaningless boiler-plate rhetoric,like government is bad or liberty is being taken.

Talk to someone elderly who`s whole retirement has been taken, about liberty.

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RE: William Lynn and the anti lobbyist pledge - 1/23/2009 11:07:52 AM   
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I wanted to puke !
FOR the love of God, Please he hasnt been in office  a week yet and they have this guy painted as some sort of vunderkid.
its going to be a LONG 4 years!



Dude, it's going to be several long decades. With the help of Senator Benedict Arnold from Arizona "comprehensive immigration reform" is going to be high on the agenda for the new Congress. That's going to provide 20-40 million new Democrat voters. And i'm willing to bet they are going to base their naturalization date on the date they entered the country illegally not the date the bill passes.

After all, how else are the incumbents that are going to preside over the next depression going to manage to get re-elected.

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RE: William Lynn and the anti lobbyist pledge - 1/23/2009 11:27:41 AM   
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It`s been one day and you have it all nailed down and it`s all bad.

I`ll give him a little more time.

A honeymoon.



Please, you'll support whatever he does as long as he spews the proper rich vs poor rhetoric.

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If you define government power by regulating Wallstreet,Banks,polluters,corporate thieves and predatory capitalist scalawags,then I say bring it on!

The crash/recession,it`s real and not just meaningless boiler-plate rhetoric,like government is bad or liberty is being taken.


The credit crash was caused by government and being used by government to grab even more power over commerce and individual liberty. But, hey, doing even *more* of the same will create different results, right ?

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Talk to someone elderly who`s whole retirement has been taken, about liberty.


Of course, there's always the exception to the rule. If the voting block is big enough, elderly in this case, the Democrats will overlook their core principle (stealing from the rich to make the poor dependent). The elderly are the richest segment of our society and there was far more economic opportunity in this country when they were young than there is now.

If you manage to live your entire life in this country and end up with nothing when you retire, it's *your* problem, not the problem of younger people trying to trying to buy their first house or start a family.

Or in other words, be nice to your family, they're the ones that will decide whether to ship you off to a nursing home, invite you to live with them, or leave you as a ward of the state when the time comes.


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RE: William Lynn and the anti lobbyist pledge - 1/23/2009 2:39:38 PM   
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Status: offline 		I was pretty happy when I heard Obama's position on lobbyists. I thought: well, maybe he is going to do some good.
I guess I was wrong on that one.
I'm giving him a " honeymoon" too. But so far I'm on the bed in my negligee and he is in the bathroom brushing his teeth.

One thing I have come to know is: No matter what Obama does, doesn't do or renigs on... his supporters will have excuses and reasons and name call those who call him out on it.
Obama farts and they call it Beethovan.
If he fails at something, it will be Bush's fault. < and I am not a Bush supporter >

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RE: William Lynn and the anti lobbyist pledge - 1/23/2009 4:40:46 PM   
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Status: offline 		too early in the day for you folks to get more news. seems Lynn is one of about 10 people in the whole country with specific knowledge and real world experience required for the position. and yes.. the O team apologized for backtracking on the pledge. as for A.S.S. ( apropos acronym) i've lived in Arizona and your posts are infused with that particular odor.

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RE: William Lynn and the anti lobbyist pledge - 1/23/2009 5:08:17 PM   
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too early in the day for you folks to get more news. seems Lynn is one of about 10 people in the whole country with specific knowledge and real world experience required for the position. and yes.. the O team apologized for backtracking on the pledge. as for A.S.S. ( apropos acronym) i've lived in Arizona and your posts are infused with that particular odor.


Nope,way to reasonable.

No,we must suffer a lesser nominee and weaker performer b/c Obama`s critics won`t be satisfied otherwise.

He must be perfect or he`s just another version of bush,lol (one of the most ridiculous things I`ve heard in '09').



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RE: William Lynn and the anti lobbyist pledge - 1/23/2009 5:53:21 PM   
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RE: William Lynn and the anti lobbyist pledge - 1/23/2009 7:47:18 PM   
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the O team apologized for backtracking on the pledge.


Well shucks. As long as they apologized.

What was that old saying my Mamma used to have ?
Ohh yea. Do as I say, not as I do.
Got it !

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RE: William Lynn and the anti lobbyist pledge - 1/24/2009 6:11:50 AM   
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You actually think Obama will bring *change*.


I saw a funny acronym for CHANGE yesterday:

C   Come
H   Help
A   A
N   Narcissist
G   Get
E   Elected



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RE: William Lynn and the anti lobbyist pledge - 1/24/2009 7:16:53 AM   
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Obama farts and they call it Beethovan.



Perhaps I missed my calling. I fart a lovely condensed version of Bachs Two Part Invention, #4, in d Minor. Farting Bach requires more precise rectal control.

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RE: William Lynn and the anti lobbyist pledge - 1/24/2009 7:51:37 AM   
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ORIGINAL: Owner59

It`s been one day and you have it all nailed down and it`s all bad.

I`ll give him a little more time.

A honeymoon.



Please, you'll support whatever he does as long as he spews the proper rich vs poor rhetoric.

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If you define government power by regulating Wallstreet,Banks,polluters,corporate thieves and predatory capitalist scalawags,then I say bring it on!

The crash/recession,it`s real and not just meaningless boiler-plate rhetoric,like government is bad or liberty is being taken.


The credit crash was caused by government and being used by government to grab even more power over commerce and individual liberty. But, hey, doing even *more* of the same will create different results, right ?

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Talk to someone elderly who`s whole retirement has been taken, about liberty.







Not true ,the credit cruch was caused be erasing the line between Wallstreet and Banks.

By removing the rule that said banks couldn`t speculate/gamble.It was the lack of oversight and greedy financial industry types,who lobbied for less and less rules/regulation.

Like your good`ol buddy Phil"Americans are whiners" Grammy/McCain adviser got a law passed that allowed banks to make high risk speculative investments.

He wasn`t in government at the time he screwed us.He was a lobbyist working against the consumer`s interest.

And bush`s SEC or lack of it, allowed financial insts. to leverage money 30 to 1!

Again,that`s 30 to 1.

Unbelievable and a great example of how markets do not regulate themselves.

Let them take advantage and they will.Let them make their own rules and the consumer gets shafted and the taxpayer gets the bill and ruined economy.

bush presided over the biggest ponzy scheme in history and let it happen b/c of neo-con anti-regulation policy.

"Markets regulate and correct themselves","Get the government out of it" and the rest of that nonsense that defines neo-conservatism, is now dead.

It`s real to.The commercial credit markets are frozen.Commercial paper is the financial life blood of business and it`s not there.

This is why we`re losing a half million jobs a month.B/c businesses can no longer operate from payday to payday without commercial paper,ie.short term credit.

Are you gonna call those Americans who lost their incomes whiners?!

You gonna call those Americans who are losing their homes,whiners?!

And all of the seniors who`ve lost all their retirements and must go back to work or go on welfare..........

Are they whiners too?!

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