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Bad news for the Internet - 1/24/2009 1:53:01 PM

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http://crooksandliars.com/susie-madrak/lawsuit-determine-fair-use-blog-links

"fair use" is on trial. it sounds like links to news stories are a "problem".   I don't get it. so under what the plaintiff is asking for even mod 11 would be ... not with in the scope of .. what they are suing for.

no other case has made it to this point. Basically print media is doing the RIAA mode.

better be careful.   even something YOU wrote- might be the "exclusive property" of someone other then you- and you could easily be a violator.

just what we need..more secrecy and less disclosure.    ...lets not forget how many unnamed sources the media uses. how can an unnamed source be intellectual property?

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RE: Bad news for the Internet - 1/24/2009 2:37:55 PM

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this is to inform you that I wrote a message just like this on another site and feel you stole my post from there.

My lawyers will be contacting you soon

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RE: Bad news for the Internet - 1/24/2009 2:48:34 PM

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Could lead to the end of the parrot news system. That is: news organisations doing their own investigative reporting rather than just repeating what has been reported elsewhere.

They may have to work harder? oh dear we can’t have that. I'm a bit tired of things being seen as fact just because everyone is reporting the same story, this could also lead to a more vibrant news selection and things that largely go unreported finally being reported. Public discussion of the news is different from reporting the news.

Me talking about Eastenders isn’t me infringing the copyright of the BBC, I’d have to relay the exact whole script from start to finish to do that.

The point is these commercial organisations just copy headlines from elsewhere and stick advertising next to it. Bad.

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RE: Bad news for the Internet - 1/24/2009 3:49:22 PM

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Could lead to the end of the parrot news system. That is: news organisations doing their own investigative reporting rather than just repeating what has been reported elsewhere.

They may have to work harder? oh dear we can’t have that. I'm a bit tired of things being seen as fact just because everyone is reporting the same story, this could also lead to a more vibrant news selection and things that largely go unreported finally being reported. Public discussion of the news is different from reporting the news.

Me talking about Eastenders isn’t me infringing the copyright of the BBC, I’d have to relay the exact whole script from start to finish to do that.

The point is these commercial organisations just copy headlines from elsewhere and stick advertising next to it. Bad.

oh man CAN OF WORMS.

so CNN is ABC is CBS is NBC, same news...

the fight is over blogs. is CM a blog? is it commercial? are you sure a judge would say so?

youtube getting stickier over copywrite. there is a faction that hates blogs.

clicks to drive people to a website usually is good and desired by the receiving website.

If I have a blog on google- then is that commercial? or yahoo. LIke I am private but they are both commercial.

there is even a group that wrongly claims copywrite ownership, the webmaster is so busy it is easier to delete content then to sort out the mess.

factor in net neutrality and Australians proposed law.

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RE: Bad news for the Internet - 1/24/2009 3:52:25 PM

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this is to inform you that I wrote a message just like this on another site and feel you stole my post from there.

My lawyers will be contacting you soon

LMAO!! I have decided not to post a few items as the required link to the source, is where...another link must be followed which may or may not be the source- and often the page is taken down fast to as to free up space.

I hate the gotcha code I have to type in all the time. I seldom get it right. after 3x I say fcck it and move on. too bad there isnt a firefox add on the fills that in

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RE: Bad news for the Internet - 1/24/2009 4:03:38 PM

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We will just have to insert the disclaimer: All rights reserved.
Before and after something has been text.

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RE: Bad news for the Internet - 1/24/2009 11:30:11 PM

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I smell conspiracy. Matt Drudge watch out! I suspect GateHouse Media Inc. is used as a front because nobody uses their publications in any significant way.

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RE: Bad news for the Internet - 1/25/2009 1:00:54 AM

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what is the definition of fair use?
Fair use itself is not even very clear..

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The distinction between “fair use” and infringement may be unclear and not easily defined. There is no specific number of words, lines, or notes that may safely be taken without permission. Acknowledging the source of the copyrighted material does not substitute for obtaining permission.

http://www.copyright.gov/fls/fl102.html

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RE: Bad news for the Internet - 1/25/2009 6:20:12 AM

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ORIGINAL: JustDarkness

what is the definition of fair use?
Fair use itself is not even very clear..

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The distinction between “fair use” and infringement may be unclear and not easily defined. There is no specific number of words, lines, or notes that may safely be taken without permission. Acknowledging the source of the copyrighted material does not substitute for obtaining permission.

http://www.copyright.gov/fls/fl102.html

ok then that brings us to precedent- that being footnotes in a book or college paper. that would be the standard.

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RE: Bad news for the Internet - 1/25/2009 10:00:34 AM

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oh man CAN OF WORMS.

Could be but then all laws have implications we don't see at first.

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so CNN is ABC is CBS is NBC, same news...

Funny how they often all run the same stories.

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the fight is over blogs. is CM a blog? is it commercial? are you sure a judge would say so?

The blog in question is run by a commercial news organisation which is basically putting advertising next to headlines sourced from other organisations. All web news organisations struggle making a profit, when you pick up a paper in the street you pay for it and it has advertising, this would be the equivalent of me picking up a paper copying out all the headlines and putting my advertising next to it. You have to understand the position of the plaintiff they are a David taking on a Goliath and saying “if you use our headlines make a contribution to our site money wise”.

If people don't respect the copyrights of others soon there will be no news because fewer people buy paper copies anymore, why would you buy a paper when the paper has a free version on the web funded solely through advertising? It's not free to click on that web version, you pay via the cost of inflicting their advertising on your brain. People have always made the mistake of thinking the internet means everything is free. If the report someone writes is free to view then who is paying the reporter?

People want something for nothing it annoys me, there was a debate recently about who should pay the costs of the recycling fees for the free papers circulated in London. Idiots wrote in and said the free papers should pay, when the truth of the matter is: you pick the thing up to read you are agreeing to pay the price of the recycling. If you don't want to recycle it then leave it alone and fewer copies will be printed for those that can be bothered to recycle it. The London Transport organisations shouldn't have to foot the bill either.

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youtube getting stickier over copywrite. there is a faction that hates blogs.

YouTube is full of illicit stuff no one can police that many uploaders to ensure they are all abiding by the law, the system is fundamentally flawed and it is a hog on the internet. If your material is on there you can tell them to remove it and they will do so but by then it would have been seen by all those that were going to pay for your ‘whatever’ anyway.

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clicks to drive people to a website usually is good and desired by the receiving website.
If I have a blog on google- then is that commercial? or yahoo. LIke I am private but they are both commercial.
there is even a group that wrongly claims copywrite ownership, the webmaster is so busy it is easier to delete content then to sort out the mess.

It's not for you to worry about, although Google has agreed to give a list of uploaders to YouTube that have breached the copyright of others.

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factor in net neutrality and Australians proposed law.

The internet had a golden age it is passing for a number of reasons, it will never be as free as it was but eventually people will not recognise the difference or a new generation of users will see it as it is not as it was. There was a time you could download freeware and it wouldn’t contain a virus opening your PC up to the Russian mafia.

When it was new fewer people knew how to control it but now more people are experienced with it more and more people are turning it to their advantage and learning how to control it. In short the internet was only ever free because it was the activity of the few, now all those controlling influences that exist in all other walks of life are converging on it for all kinds of reasons. This has been happening for some time.

Mind you in the distant past there were few uses for it and now you can watch TV programmes on demand etc. it’s improved in a lot of ways but services like that are unsustainable without future changes to the structure.

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RE: Bad news for the Internet - 1/25/2009 11:27:29 AM

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..tho with any format- if it is too much noise- I move on. Magazine lately- where is the article?? so they are good for firewood.

even NPR has alot of noise on these days.

...but in terms of government actions- why would I want to pay for that when it supposedly already is my government.

we are forgetting that real investigative journalism is rare. I think people would pay for the real deal.

....in theory ,many posts too would be a itel property- especially Terms.

I know the world is going to do what it does- with or without my approval. if you think about it- we double pay on so many things in life. there is always a middleman.

youtube was nothing until people en mass started using it.

I dont think it is merely a cost issue. Much of it is the lack of decent content. Really- who can we name that has great content???

I dont think I want people looking at my house when they drive by. Like it ISS my house. They cant look at it unless I give them permission. (see govt, which is "ours")

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RE: Bad news for the Internet - 1/25/2009 11:33:02 AM

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PS. dont mind me. I am pissed off because a 4x4 lumber is on my car. these fucken trashy neighbors need to go!

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