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Increasing One's Pain Tolerance - 1/10/2006 7:49:04 AM   
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Status: offline 		I know this is a question more directed at masochists and sadomasochists (of which I class myself) so I couldn't figure out if it would belong on either of the "Ask a ...." boards.

But, I am wondering, how does one go about increasing their pain tolerence?

I am interested in being able to recieve more pain than I know I can at this point in time, and perhaps wear some scars from the sessions, but how much I can take, and when I will safeword is beyond me. I do however, admit it may take a long time before I get into heavy scenes, and even longer before I dish them out (lack experience).

Any advice from anyone would be appreciated, but please note, I'm doing this for myself, not to please another. I dont know if I ever will seek out D/s, unless it is with another Switch. Yes, I am new to the scene, and like everything in life, I tend to go by the motto "Whatever happens, happens." So who knows?
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RE: Increasing One's Pain Tolerance - 1/10/2006 8:01:31 AM   
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Status: offline 		Time, patience, working up to it, little leaps of pain.

The human body can withstand a hell of a lot more than most masochists ever go through. Whether you WANT it or can process it over as pleasure or not is another story.

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RE: Increasing One's Pain Tolerance - 1/10/2006 9:09:52 AM   
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Status: offline 		In addition to what LA has said I think a good warm up really helps. Every dominant I've ever played with thought he gave a "good" warmup. Only a couple ever gave what I thought was a good warmup. One in particular had it down to a science. He knew exactly how to ramp things up at just the right speed (for me). Once you're really nicely warmed up it's amazing how much more you can take. There's a point beyond which it isn't even painful anymore. A friend once described that as "white pain" because of the non-painful pain type of quality to it (I know that probably makes no sense but it's the best way I can think to describe it right now).

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RE: Increasing One's Pain Tolerance - 1/10/2006 3:47:38 PM   
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Status: offline 		I would suggest looking for and reading MANY articles on the subject of sub space.

It is very much a chemical phenomenon, affected by your feelings, your actual mental and physical condition at the time of a scene, and HOW SKILLFUL YOUR TOP IS AT WARMUP. And also, how much recent training or pain you have had. This makes a difference in how responsive your endorphins are.

In my personal experience:

Life stress lowers my tolerance for pain. More warmup is needed, or if out of training for months, light, prolonged play may be necessary to get me tolerant.

Warmup is everything, though there are some that go for the onslaught and like that. They are usually well trained IMHO.

Weekly training over time greatly increases my tolerance and enjoyment of higher levels of play and pain.

Stay well hydrated and well fed, and sane (handle the things that cause you bad stress rather than just tolerate them), if you really want to play consistently well and make progress.

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RE: Increasing One's Pain Tolerance - 1/10/2006 4:29:00 PM   
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Status: offline 		I have, thankfully, responded well to overwhelming, at least in the case of flogging. Cause when he tops (it is usually the other way around: me dom, him sub) he is random about it, and bores easily. Plus he tends to want to be a tease *rolls eyes* and keep me wanting more.

But as far as onslaught. I dont know.

Granted again, havent been pushed as far as I could go. It's been promised and is hovering on the horizon, but still a ways off. (Yes, I have a safeword [Penguin], just no reason to use it yet.)

But thank you for the information, but, you mention training. How does one go about training, per se? Especially self training methods, cause my "top" isn't exactly local, thought moving in soon.

But yeah, Ill do what you guys suggest. Although, finding the info could be a pain. Granted I havent exactly looked for information specifically on subspace.

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RE: Increasing One's Pain Tolerance - 1/10/2006 4:33:25 PM   
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But thank you for the information, but, you mention training. How does one go about training, per se? Especially self training methods, cause my "top" isn't exactly local, thought moving in soon.

But yeah, Ill do what you guys suggest. Although, finding the info could be a pain. Granted I havent exactly looked for information specifically on subspace.


I do not like pain at all. Yet I can handle intense pain. Once walked for miles on a broken ankle. Its all about how much you can tolerate.
As other's have stated it is taking it one small step at a time. A bit further. How much you can handle. The next time taking it a small step further.
A good warm up is also nice. I know that I can handle more when I have been properly warmed up.
Really don't know how sub space plays a part on taking more and more pain. Yet, if you want a good article on it check out www.steel-door.com and go to archives or articles. Not sure what she is calling the chamber at the moment.

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RE: Increasing One's Pain Tolerance - 1/10/2006 7:02:31 PM   
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But, I am wondering, how does one go about increasing their pain tolerence?


With time, patience, and learning what works for you and what does not work for you. If something is just flat out painful with no other feelings mixed in, then it comes down to nothing more than what you can tolerate before it becomes too intense.

Go slow, learn what you can, find out what works and what does not work.

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RE: Increasing One's Pain Tolerance - 1/10/2006 8:37:20 PM   
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Status: offline 		Like the others have said, conditioning is key. Ease into it and pick things that you like. If you have an aversion to being beaten with a crop, but love nipple clamps go with it. You're more likely to process something as less painful if it's something you enjoyed from the beginning.

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RE: Increasing One's Pain Tolerance - 1/10/2006 9:41:56 PM   
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Status: offline 		I was recently spanked by my Mistress and I wanted to be able to take more without wimping out. She likes to use wooden paddles. Needless to say they really hurt when applied. Anyway, in an effort to endure more pain, I shifted my consciouness to my breathing --- in an out --- the result turned out to be threefold. 1) I did not tense up as much, which meant I was able to better absorb the blows. 2) I shifted the pain into the second tier of my of my consciouness, so I felt it less. 3) I became somewhat detached from what my Mistress was doing.


Summation: I could take more swats, but my Mistress missed the usual feedback of how I react to pain. This detracted from her experience somewhat. Also, because of less feedback, Mistress went further inflicting pain ---- over my usual thresholds --- and on some level this scared me. I'm not sure how wise it is to deprive one's DOM of the pain cues.

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RE: Increasing One's Pain Tolerance - 1/10/2006 9:50:11 PM   
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Status: offline 		Endorphin levels from pain take some time to build up in the body. I suggest stretching the 'session' over an entire day or weekend, not trying to cram a weekend's worth of caning into an hour.

Slow, gradual build-ups in cropping, for instance, work quite well, rather than full-force blows starting from the gate. Associative tricks work wonder, too—like giving pleasure, then giving pain, giving pleasure, then, pain—though it should be noted doing this will make a PAIN SLUT, not necessarily what everyone wants...



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RE: Increasing One's Pain Tolerance - 1/10/2006 10:08:54 PM   
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like giving pleasure, then giving pain, giving pleasure, then, pain—though it should be noted doing this will make a PAIN SLUT


No worries. Tis actually what Im hoping for. Provided the sadist side of me does not get ignored.

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RE: Increasing One's Pain Tolerance - 1/10/2006 11:06:36 PM   
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But, I am wondering, how does one go about increasing their pain tolerence?


I have been giving this some thought before I responded. Pain is a very odd thing and the amount of pain that one can tolerate is influenced by many factors. The type of pain, the emotions regarding the pain and the circumstances surrounding the pain all have bearing on its tolerable level.

I can not begin to tell you how others relate to this, only how it works for myself. Now I am a complete wimp when it comes to certain kinds of pain. A stubbed toe or a finger burnt in a hot oven for example will have me miserable and whining for days. On the other hand, I am a very heavy masochist when it comes to some forms of pain associated with BDSM play.

I am a thudder, for the most part. That means I enjoy pain that is of a deep and penetrating nature, I like to feel my bones rattle. I enjoy heavy beating scenes. I say for the most part because there are some forms of surface pain that I also enjoy greatly. Needles for example are a more surface pain and I cannot honestly tell you why I enjoy them but I do...the more the better, and if you add electricity...well hey, now I'm in heaven. A singletail on the other hand, also a surfacy pain, will most likely do nothing but seriously piss me off.

I believe that, as has been said here, you really do have to find what works for you and go from there.

After you find the kind of pain that you can process well then your concerns have to turn to the other factors that influence the outcome. While I have described to you the types of pain that I most enjoy, I can also tell you that there are times when they produce nothing but displeasure. If I have not had adequate time to mentally prepare for it...if the energy in the room is wrong...the person on the other end of the tools is a new partner and I am unsure if he will be able to read me. All of these things factor in to what level I can reach.

At a recent play party I scened with a Dominant who I know very well and respect a great deal. I love his play style and have had the opportunity on several occasions over the years to scene with him. I very much looked forward to the scene and everything was just perfect...my headspace, the people, the place. We had a very long and intense scene that I came away from with more than a few "souveniers". When I regained my composure and my land legs we went upstairs so I could do a bit of grazing in a large bowl of fruit. I really was not very concious of the level that things had gotten to. Several people came by and commented on the play and how beautiful it was and that they were happy to have been there for it. After relaxing awhile the Dominant asked me if I was ready. We had yet another scene that I had previously agreed to do with him. On the way back downstairs I stopped at the restroom and as I was closing the door a young submissive came in and in a very concerned tone asked me if I was alright. I assured her that I was. With tears in her eyes she took my hand and said "Oh honey, why did you let him do that to you? Why didn't you say your safeword?. I was stunned....mostly because my own recollection of the scene did not match her reaction to it. It was not until I got a good look in the mirror did I understand her cause for alarm. Yet because everything was sooooo perfect...the scene was and is a beautiful memory for me...and the second scene that followed.

That is not to say that on a different day, with other circumstances being different, that I could have come anywhere near that level of tolerance. I have had times when I could tolerate not even half as much, times when I could tolerate more, times when it took very little to really get me flying and times when no matter how hard we worked at there seemed to be nothing that I could do to find my space.

So how did I get here? Well, I guess it has been a gradual process over time, learning how my body responds, how my mind responds and the factors that influence the outcome for me. I know that you said that you are interested in being able to tolerate more pain than you can at present...but if the pain level you are at is bringing you the results you desire to have, I would simply go with that and gradually allow things to take their course.


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RE: Increasing One's Pain Tolerance - 1/10/2006 11:20:10 PM   
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No safewording allowed, or, well, it
won't do you any good.

You will get a huge lesson in how much
pain a person can handle(although I do wonder
if a man could ever take it), if you have a
"normal"vaginal birth.

*Brightspot

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RE: Increasing One's Pain Tolerance - 1/11/2006 5:56:31 AM   
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ORIGINAL: cloudboy
I'm not sure how wise it is to deprive one's DOM of the pain cues.

It raises the risk, but as long as everyone is aware of it and takes it into consideration, can be dealt with fine.

And some doms don't let the bottom go into subsoace during the scene just for that reason- they want the sub alert, IN pain and giving direct feedback.

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RE: Increasing One's Pain Tolerance - 1/11/2006 5:58:32 AM   
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ORIGINAL: mistoferin
With tears in her eyes she took my hand and said "Oh honey, why did you let him do that to you? Why didn't you say your safeword?. I was stunned....mostly because my own recollection of the scene did not match her reaction to it. It was not until I got a good look in the mirror did I understand her cause for alarm. Yet because everything was sooooo perfect...the scene was and is a beautiful memory for me...and the second scene that followed.

*shaking head* Sterile fluffy bdsmer's will kill us all.

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RE: Increasing One's Pain Tolerance - 1/11/2006 9:02:57 AM   
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No. Babies are my biggest Hard Limit. I don't wan't any. Ever. Plain and simple. Unless they are four legged and hairy.

So no babies for me. I don't plan on reproducing.

Babies.......Eeek! *tucks tail between legs and runs off*

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RE: Increasing One's Pain Tolerance - 1/11/2006 12:11:17 PM   
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I am sure everyone's approach is different, but I will tell you that the body can endure and enjoy incredible amounts of pain. If you want to increase your pain tolerance or more importantly your enjoyment of the experience.... You need to start first and foremost before play begins.

The mind is where the play starts... how you prepare yourself for the play in large part will affect your ability to endure and enjoy the pains that come from the play. It is critical for the Top to have an appreciation of your state of mind going into the play. This appreciation is not only gained with direct comments from you, but also thru the Top's observation of you before and during play. It is also critical that you mentally prepare yourself and approach the play in a proper mindset. Now just to clairify, SM play for physical pain is a much different play than SM play that is emotional/mental pain. Such types of pain can be within a physically painful SM play and often is. But we are talking about physical pain and being mentally prepared for it.

You must be focused on the play. We are not talking about focusing on what the Top is doing or even what you are experiencing in the play. I am saying that you can't be distracted with kids at home or did you remember this or that. The better you are able to close you mind to everything else around you the better. The only thoughts and emotions are about the play.

Approaching it with confidence. One would immediately state that a newbie couldn't readily approach play to a high level, because they lack confidence that is gained from experience. Well this is very wrong. kyra and denika are prime examples of two people that had their first intense SM experiences with me and there is a couple others I have played with as well. kyra played with no one before me, after a couple of testing scenes... I played her and brought her to a level that was beyond what many experience after a few years and took days for her to wrap her mind around. denika had only one experince of SM before me. It was a good test play that allowed her to appreicate some sensations but in no way pushed her pain levels. Her second play was with me and she was quickly thrown into a high intense pain levels that cause a intense rush for both of us. Both approached the play with intense nervousness and excitement. Both had fears of not doing well... but both was mental focused in being confident in me. So, confidence is not just with one self, But also with the Top. The higher level of trust one has the greater confidence one will beable to put into their Top.

Discard Mindlessness thoughts! The belief in limitations of your abilities and what you can endure can have an incredible underminding value in what you will endure. I don't advocate that you consider yourself as being able to take anything with time and effort. But, I am advocating that you not focus or concern yourself with what is limiting to you or what could limit you. Be Mindful! that you can endure and enjoy!... this is more than positive thinking. This is more accepting the challenges of what will come no matter the emotions or thoughts. I would also be mindful that every play is different that complaceny within play will actually inhibit your ability to reach new levels. Accept variety and differences will occur in you play in your reactions in your ability to endure and enjoy from one scene to another. See the trend and not the individual scene. I would also be mindful of not holding on and trying to re-live a past incredible scene. Accept them as the individual achievements and pleasures they are.. not to be compared and lessen or glorified with other experiences. Finally, focus on the process of play and not the goal of play. Great play is not focused on a goal to be achieved at the end of play... it is focused on making the play at the moment it is occuring fun. If you focused on throwing yourself into the moment of the play... well the goal of great play will come on it's own. Constant focus on having Good or Great play will only cause disappointment when it doesn't occur and will ripple into future plays if that is your focus. Enjoy the journey First! and then savor the destination. But always focus on the journey!

Change the Mindset of Pain to Sensation! at the end of it SM is all about sensations... sensations of different degrees. pain is put a measure of sensation. By focusing on the mindset that pain is but a sensation, you begin to mentally bring down the fears that pain has been caused thru your years of growth. We grow up to view pain is bad, the touching of the hot stove to the emotional pain of loss of a loved one. They different sensations, intense sensations, the key to understand is your learning to manage and cope with an every increasing degree and variety of sensations! physically, emotional and mentally!


In the play itself!

I know people talk of warm ups and taking it slow. I personally think this is an approach is very subjective to the individuals in the play. What you consider as a Warm-up could likely be different than another and the same can be said of taking it slow and steady. I do very little warm up ! I do not need to do much warm-up because those I play with tend to be very mentally focused and prepared for the play in the first place. Some wish to start with a soft flogger and move up the spectrum, this in of self to me is a complacency in Repetition that actually makes it harder to increase pain tolerance than it needs to be. Flexiblity and open-minded approaches that are creative are very using in broadening the body and minds ability to cope to every change sensations in the play. It is akin to building the pyramid. the larger the base, the higher one is able to build the pyramid. It is not just the specific toy but, the force of a the toy and the manner it strikes. There is different types of basic sensations.. thud, sting and bite to name a few. The power of each type of sensation will have a different affect on the bottom. soft thud is much different than a heavy thud. starting soft in different sensations in different scenes builds a base to work from, increasing the intensities build upon the base. Bringing different combination of sensations will build the base even higher.


After play!

Aftercare is not just about making sure that the bottom is physically, emotional and mentally ok, and the Dom for that matter. It is also an opportunity to savor the experience. Aftercare and be not just a few hours, but can go into days of discussing and savoring the experience with each other. The talented Top will make note of the aspects that the bottom comments on. What cause them to get excited in the play, what is it they remember and what is it they do not remember. At the higher levels, The Top themself becomes lost in memory of some things. memory after all is but fragments and is never a exact. Aftercare gone well can be a time not only to ressure that all is ok from the scene, but it can be an opportunity set expectations and excitement for the next one. It helps to build the mindsets towards greater play.


Play is a process of fun... increasing ones pain tolerance can be the natural byproduct of having this fun. focus on the process and you will have fun... if you having fun... each time you will go higher, save the limits for those that want to restrict themselves. focus on the challenges at the moment of play that will build your pleasure and experience.


just a few thoughts

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RE: Increasing One's Pain Tolerance - 1/11/2006 1:44:22 PM   
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ORIGINAL: brightspot

Ummmm...Have a baby or two

No safewording allowed, or, well, it
won't do you any good.

You will get a huge lesson in how much
pain a person can handle(although I do wonder
if a man could ever take it), if you have a
"normal"vaginal birth.

*Brightspot



I've heard it said that in general females have a higher pain tolerance than males. That would make sense, given the above example.

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RE: Increasing One's Pain Tolerance - 1/20/2006 8:03:14 AM   
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Status: offline 		Not trying to start an argument here but in the scenes I have witnessed in real time not talking about giving birth I am specifically talking about SM play canes paddles singletails crops quirts and other forms of heavy impact play it is usally the male bottoms that can take more of a beating than a female but there it could be the part of the country I am in too or my limeted expierience
Sir Steve

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RE: Increasing One's Pain Tolerance - 1/20/2006 8:13:14 AM   
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ORIGINAL: simplySnm

Not trying to start an argument here but in the scenes I have witnessed in real time not talking about giving birth I am specifically talking about SM play canes paddles singletails crops quirts and other forms of heavy impact play it is usally the male bottoms that can take more of a beating than a female but there it could be the part of the country I am in too or my limeted expierience
Sir Steve


a common opinion.... But not an accurate one in my opinion. The sex of the person is not a defining factor in determining if a person can enjoy and/or endure more pain than the other sex.

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