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colouredin -> RE: The art of sexual arousal ? (1/27/2009 3:42:49 PM)

Yeah they are a fantastic movement.



marie2 -> RE: The art of sexual arousal ? (1/27/2009 3:57:06 PM)

I don't think it's a religious issue.  It's a matter of sexuality, which, in my opinion, is a private matter, not one to be displayed publically.  I don't want to see a statue showing a women's open cunt any more than I want to see one showing a man's hardon.  Nor would I want to have to explain it to a young child if I had one.



NorthernGent -> RE: The art of sexual arousal ? (1/27/2009 4:00:35 PM)

We empathise with other humans; as per Sartre, one human's state of being translates to all humans' state of being. It follows thus that a cock, any cock, on a billboard or such, is your own cock on show for the world to see. Now, I for one really don't want to see my cock plastered on a billboard, sandwiched between adverts for Brave Heart 2 and a Dolce and Gabbana hand bag, while I'm walking to the train station and drinking a coffee on my way to work in the morning.

Some things really should remain private. What sort of man would make such a bold statement to the world: "here you go everyone, have a look at my cock, fantastic shape isn't it".



Vendaval -> RE: The art of sexual arousal ? (1/27/2009 4:01:45 PM)

Didn't David Beckham already do that in an underwear ad for Calvin Klein? 



NorthernGent -> RE: The art of sexual arousal ? (1/27/2009 4:04:02 PM)

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ORIGINAL: Vendaval

Didn't David Beckham already do that in an underwear ad for Calvin Klein? 



My point exactly.....what sort of man.....



philosophy -> RE: The art of sexual arousal ? (1/27/2009 4:05:11 PM)

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ORIGINAL: NorthernGent

Some things really should remain private. What sort of man would make such a bold statement to the world: "here you go everyone, have a look at my cock, fantastic shape isn't it".


...reminds me of an old joke. A man goes into the Doctor and says, "It's my cock, Doc...would you have a look at it?". So the Doc gets on the old latex gloves and has a look. He notices it is thick, long, well proportioned with no apparent problems. He turns back to the man and says, "Sorry, but I can't see anything wrong with it at all". The man zips up, grins and says, "Me neither Doc, me neither".



NorthernGent -> RE: The art of sexual arousal ? (1/27/2009 4:11:50 PM)

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ORIGINAL: marie2

I don't think it's a religious issue. 



As religion is a human construct, it would be a struggle to argue that religion is at the heart of the matter.

We don't build a home with a garden and a gate with a sign on it stating: 'beware of the dog, keep out', and have curtains to shut the world out, because we want everyone in our private affairs.



Aneirin -> RE: The art of sexual arousal ? (1/27/2009 4:18:03 PM)

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ORIGINAL: colouredin

FR

Hmm I would say that its about the male gaze, men hold the positions of power and largly dont want to see other men (see fear of homosexuality in men) and looking at a nude woman is comforting to men, keeps them in control.

Just look at the contenet in public galleries, most of the artists are men, most of the nudes are of women (gurrilla girls http://www.guerrillagirls.com/)


Interesting you say about the male gaze, for art when it ceased to be wholly about religion, became mostly what a male wanted to see, whether that thing was reality or not. It might even be the case that human attitudes have been modelled on the results of the male gaze in art, as it was accepted that art depicting women went back into history, perhaps seen as a record of how things were and so must be.

But now, this modern era, we are encountering a new gaze, that of the female gaze, something which I have noticed is being met with little resistance, perhaps at last, finally the truth about males is coming out.

To indicate what I mean about the female gaze, check out this advertisement for Dolce and Gabbana

I have no problem with it, perhaps the advent of the female gaze might be the great leveller.



marie2 -> RE: The art of sexual arousal ? (1/27/2009 4:20:50 PM)

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ORIGINAL: NorthernGent

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ORIGINAL: marie2

I don't think it's a religious issue. 



As religion is a human construct, it would be a struggle to argue that religion is at the heart of the matter.

We don't build a home with a garden and a gate with a sign on it stating: 'beware of the dog, keep out', and have curtains to shut the world out, because we want everyone in our private affairs.


Ah Christ, don't tell me we agree on something, NG. 

This is going to ruin the whole fantasy.



colouredin -> RE: The art of sexual arousal ? (1/27/2009 4:21:46 PM)

I think that it is starting to change, but it certainly isnt all the way there yet. Maybe it would be better that we didnt have such rigid constructs on beauty



Vendaval -> RE: The art of sexual arousal ? (1/27/2009 4:25:26 PM)

Dolce and Gabbana are notorious for their edgy designs and advertising.  What is it that women want to see in the male form?
 
A man engaged in labor?
Wearing a 3 piece suit?
On his knees cleaning the floors?
Chained to a wall and naked?


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ORIGINAL: Aneirin
I have no problem with it, perhaps the advent of the female gaze might be the great leveller.



NorthernGent -> RE: The art of sexual arousal ? (1/27/2009 4:30:00 PM)

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ORIGINAL: marie2

This is going to ruin the whole fantasy.



Am I a priest? (I'll lend my ear for your sins, but there's no pleasure in forgiveness).



lusciouslips19 -> RE: The art of sexual arousal ? (1/27/2009 4:32:29 PM)


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ORIGINAL: MissSepphora1

I don't see how it has anything to do with religion.  It is all about men being in control.  Why else would full frontal nudity be okay for women and not men.
And if Kate Winslett has a problem being naked while men are not, perhaps she should keep her clothes on. 


She does not mind if it is a part of a story but she would like more equality which I think is understandable.



Aneirin -> RE: The art of sexual arousal ? (1/27/2009 4:36:36 PM)

Just to remember the constructs that existed have had centuries to mould, one cannot expect a complete change over night. This current era, at least there is movement in the right direction and may come to pass that males in all reality are no different to females, anatomy excluded. Males are not the stronger sex and the females the weaker, both sexes display strengths and weaknesses, something which comes out to be we are just the same, we are a perfect and equal compliment to each other.

But as to my original post, I do believe the reticence shown towards male sexuality in the public arena, has a lot to do with male insecurity.Something to notice, if a man views another man in the buff  and aroused, and finds the display visually attractive, it is not to say that they have closetted homosexual desires, it is to say they can recognise the beautry of their own sex and that sex is natural, just as natural as the female sex.

A question to the females here, if you were to see another female in the buff and aroused and you found the viewing comfortable to the eyes, would you think you have closet lesbian tendancies, or are you advanced enough to know what you are seeing is the nature of yourselves ?



Vendaval -> RE: The art of sexual arousal ? (1/27/2009 5:00:23 PM)

 
I am bi and might well be aroused or not, depending on the cirucmstances and levels of attraction. Either way, I would view her arousal as a natural state for humans.


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ORIGINAL: Aneirin
A question to the females here, if you were to see another female in the buff and aroused and you found the viewing comfortable to the eyes, would you think you have closet lesbian tendancies, or are you advanced enough to know what you are seeing is the nature of yourselves ?



RainydayNE -> RE: The art of sexual arousal ? (1/27/2009 5:51:55 PM)

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ORIGINAL: colouredin

FR

Hmm I would say that its about the male gaze, men hold the positions of power and largly dont want to see other men (see fear of homosexuality in men) and looking at a nude woman is comforting to men, keeps them in control.

Just look at the contenet in public galleries, most of the artists are men, most of the nudes are of women (gurrilla girls http://www.guerrillagirls.com/)


those are those chicks i was talking about :D very cool
and i totally agree with your post.



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