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Subspace - 1/30/2009 8:17:28 AM

windycitysub78

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I am curious about other people's opinion on subspace, and what puts them there. Also, I would love to hear Domme opinions about this - what is the most common way you see subs entering subspace?

For me, it is a sort of hypnosis where I forget that all of this is make-believe. A proper mindf*ck does wonders on me. With my previous Mistress, that involved starting out a play session with me simply kneeling in front of Her. We had this idea of only playing in O/our little utopia, a make-believe world that mirrored the one we live in with the only difference being slavery. In this little world society accepts slavery, and there are no rules as far as the treatment of slaves is concerned - the Domme/Dom could do whatever She or He wished with their property.

It usually started with silence, me kneeling there in front of Her. In one instance, I remember hearing a car pull up to the neighbour's house, and my Mistress quickly pointed out that the slave next door will surely get it tonight. You see, the slave was just picked up yesterday, and the neigbour was known for going through slaves fast. "That poor girl" my Mistress laughed, "she probably won't make it through the night!". Then there were two teenage girls walking on the sidewalk, giggling and laughing - they were enjoying the freedom of being Dommes. Recently selected, they were talking about the few schoolmates that did not make it, and laughing about their predicament. ...the last time they saw them, they were stripped naked and taken away in a van - frightened and shivering. Then my Mistress would call someone, actually going through the motions and dialing. She would call her "boyfriend" in utopia, and have a proper conversation with him about the slave (me) She herself just picked up not too long ago, making sure to end the conversation with "I love you". ...just to play with the emotional sadism we were both fascinated in.

She would go on like that, and I would just listen. It was a stream of consciousness play-by-play of the sounds around us, and a lot of imagination was involved. Sometimes there would be a story involved, often very brutal and depressing.

This might seem silly, but as time went on I actually entered that world, and despite knowing I could snap out of it at anytime and feeling secure in knowing the reality is different, I could not help (nor did I want to) but to experience it as Her property with absolutely no rights. Maybe I should take that back, as maybe I actually forgot there is a world outside of this utopia - I don't know myself. Often I would be overcome with emotion (fear, resentment of my role), but like a junkie I wanted to dive deeper into that world. When we started with such a mindf*ck, the resulting play was intense. The ever present subspace was simply pure bliss.

The reason I write this is because as of yet, I did not run into anyone who had a similar experience.

Any thoughs?

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RE: Subspace - 1/30/2009 9:08:38 AM

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RE: Subspace - 2/1/2009 5:42:23 PM

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What would put your sub there? ...I will never understand Domme/Dom space, but if You experienced something similar to what I wrote, how did it feel?

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RE: Subspace - 2/1/2009 8:55:51 PM

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What puts me in Domme space is knowing that the body before me is mine to do what I like with.

What puts my sub into subspace is a combination of pain and pleasure, though he also greatly enjoys subpublic norm-transgressing behavior; ie, my making him wear panties under his jeans, and ask me for permission to use the bathroom when we're out shopping for the vanilla necessities of daily life.

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RE: Subspace - 2/3/2009 6:26:47 AM

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Lots of things can take different subs to subspace. For some like you, it's largely a mind thing ... for others, it's primarily a body thing. Pain gets a lot of people there provided they can endure long enough to get through the fight-or-flight adrenalin phase into the endorphin phase. Pleasure can get some there. For the bondage freaks the mere touch of rope or chains gets them started! I've seen subs space very deeply from needle play even when that involved little or no pain ... it's the whole challenge of dealing with the fear. There's no one true way!

As a sub, i have spaced from all of these stimuli at different times, though not always entered the same space or to the same depth. The mind fuck is probably the hardest to successfully do with me, but it is possible. The main mind access for me is when my mind has thought of something naughty or inappropriate and Master demands to be told what it is (He can read my face like a book!). That makes me squirm ... i don't want to tell but i know i will have to ... it's not long before i'm giggling just as i do when being physically spanked into space ... and then i go all dreamy ... but eventually i have to fess up! That's been done to me in a restaurant LOL! (my fault for having inappropriate thoughts there).

As a Domme, I enter the alert form of Top Space when I actively begin a scene, I am hyperaware of what is happening with My sub. At the end of the scene, in the aftercare time, I relax into the intimacy of the connection formed and can get into quite a dreamy Top Space. However I am always more compos-mentis in Top Space than i am in subspace and I can ground much more rapidly from Top Space.

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RE: Subspace - 2/3/2009 9:15:38 AM

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I separate submissive headspace with subspace. Headspace for me can be simply serving my Lady, kneeling before her for collar and cuffs, etc. But it is not what I equate to subspace. Subspace is the world shrinking down to just She and I...everything else goes away...I become nearly non-verbal...and anything but that exact moment in time is just gone.

We don't do any of the make believe, but we are finding that we really don't need it. I am finding that flogging is the most effective way to get me into subspace and I have finally experienced that sensation of "flying" and being almost out of body with it.

It's awesome.

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RE: Subspace - 2/3/2009 6:00:59 PM

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For me, Topspace is the farthest point of Top headspace. I can get into Top headspace interacting directly with a submissive mentally/verbally, or even just in anticipation of a scene I am going to do later that day. The outlining in my head what my Intent will be and the tools/sequence I think will help me create that result. (Of note; in my head I generalize during planning, but become very intuitive and open to where the scene flows when we are actually creating it).

As I get near pre-Scene, I get strong opinions about how I want things to be, and I don't tend to be as laidback and 'easy going' as I am most of the time. I do a very poor job at 'compromising' when I'm in this mindset, and have gotten very annoyed, when at the last minute, another person's actions derailed the energetic connection building to that Scene start time. This doesn't translate into bitchy, just VERY confident, direct and very focused.

When we commence, it doesn't take long for me to hit Topspace when I'm in my home dungeon. Public play takes a little longer, but certainly happens often.

Topspace, for me, is similar to what has been mentioned above. My world shrinks down to My boy....his expression, body language, breathing pattern, etc. We lose time and space in the bubble we create together. It's almost the antithesis of subspace. Instead of zoning out in an altered state of consciousness, it's pinprick focus. It's like coming out of a final college exam where I've been concentrating intently for several hours. He is what I am seeing, touching, smelling, feeling, tasting, hearing, intuitively sensing. I know when he goes 'bliss', and I love to be the one who facilitates his flight. When I bring him back, he is completely open and raw energetically, and its like a feast, I can taste. Often, he is incapable of speech, or at the most, single words. His mind has literally been 'erased' in the experience. In the aftercare stage is when I relax into our connection. ( I think that was states above, too.) We curl into each other physically and just 'feel'.

Energetically the experience has been and continues to be symbiotic; like when you were a kid, in the bathtub and you'd push the water to the front on one side of you, and toward your back with your other hand. You created the momentum, and then you would stop and enjoy the continuing water motion.

Depending on the type of scene, sometimes this part is as far from sex as you can get, but as close energetically/spiritually, as is possible to be. It's like melding into each other. Even 24-48+ hours afterward, I can still 'feel' him energetically, whether we are in the same geographic location or not.

Great question, thanks for starting this topic.

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RE: Subspace - 2/5/2009 11:28:36 AM

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Thanks for the posts, enjoyed reading them. They answer a lot of questions.

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RE: Subspace - 2/7/2009 4:31:07 PM

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Hi.

I find that most subs that come to me find their subspace, state of submission, etc when I tell them to kneel, or kiss my feet, or when I command them to do something rather than asking them. They like to be told what to do and be ordered. I like seeing their reaction because they immediately get more submissive and that's the way I like them.

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RE: Subspace - 2/7/2009 5:59:38 PM

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