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RE: black/racial domination - 2/3/2009 12:45:19 PM   
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ORIGINAL: LunaVenus

Darling,
I actually agree with your premise in general. Which is why I usually have nothing to do with blacks at all.. 
But  there is always a sexy person that can be an exception....if he behaves himself LOL.


No, you don't agree with my "premises" because it is many Black-Americans (Latinos to boot) I feel most at home around. There can be (not always unfortunately) a loyalty and bond you will find among a family or friends in the inner-city that you'll never find in upper-class suburban areas.

Many of us are probably felons anyways - we've just never been caught for the felonies we've committed. And don't get me started on white collar criminals and their sanctuary from criminal courts found conveniently in civil courts. 

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RE: black/racial domination - 2/3/2009 12:52:10 PM   
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ORIGINAL: 4u2spoil

I don't think you intended to be offensive, but you're making a lot of assumptions which is why people are taking offense. You assume that because the OP is interested in black guys they'll all come from the inner city. Black person does not equal inner city person.

It's like me pointing to Jeffrey Dahmer or the Columbine teens and saying "watch out for those white guys from the 'burbs. Girls think it's what they see on MTV with pool parties and fun douchebags, but you'll end up in a freezer or shot between the eyes."

Exercising good judgement and common sense doesn't change depending on your racial preference.

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ORIGINAL: UPSG

Had you read and understood my original post - or at least my latter explanations of what I was intending to try and say - you would have grasped that I was partly just offering advise for Little A to be cautious because she seemed to me to not have the cynicism and hardness etched into her face like many people that spend many years in the inner-cities (or at least people that have lots of life experience that builds distrust and even hardness). And I'll point out that I have already acknowledged that I probably have misjudged Little A in that respect.




Fair enough. But as a non-hostile FYI:

Source: UW-Milwaukee Center for Economic Development.

quote:

II. Race and Joblessness in Milwaukee: A Comparative Perspective, 2002-2005

Despite modest improvements between 2002-2005, the rate of black male joblessness in the Milwaukee region remains near the highest of Northeast-Midwest metropolitan areas, and in 2005 the racial gap in male joblessness was, with the exception of metro Pittsburgh, the widest among "Frostbelt" metropolitan areas.

In 2002, Milwaukee registered the highest working-age black male jobless rate among the 15 "Frostbelt" metropolitan areas against which we benchmarked Milwaukee's performance; in 2005, Milwaukee recorded the second highest black male jobless rate among these regions. The gap in Milwaukee separating white and black rates of male joblessness, which was 27.8 percentage points in 2002, the highest in the Frostbelt in 2002, declined to 23.0 points in 2005, which nevertheless placed Milwaukee second worst among our benchmark regions.

Milwaukee's ranking on these indicators is somewhat better when comparisons are at the city level, but city-to-city comparisons are somewhat misleading, because in metro Milwaukee, unlike elsewhere in the Frostbelt, there has been virtually no suburbanization of the working-age black male population.
Table 2:
Black Male Jobless Rates in Selected Metropolitan Areas: 2002-2005
(percentage of working-age (16-64) black males either
unemployed or out of the labor force)
2002 2005
Baltimore
N/A
Boston
28.3%
Minneapolis
N/A
Baltimore
31.6%
Cincinnati
N/A
Indianapolis
34.4%
Indianapolis
30.8%
Kansas City
34.9%
Pittsburgh
31.9%
Minneapolis
35.9%
Cleveland
32.3%
Cincinnati
36.3%
Boston
36.4%
Philadelphia
39.7%
Detroit
39.0%
St. Louis
40.1%
Kansas City
39.1%
Buffalo
40.4%
Philadelphia
39.7%
Chicago
42.1%
Chicago
41.1%
Detroit
42.7%
St. Louis
42.8%
Cleveland
42.7%
Buffalo
45.7%
Milwaukee
43.1%
Milwaukee
46.5%
Pittsburgh
48.3%
Average
38.7%
Average
39.1%


III. Black Male Joblessness in Milwaukee, 1970-2005: Historical Development and Explanatory Factors

The rise in joblessness among working-age black males in Milwaukee during the past 35 years has been relentless, increasing substantially at each census measurement until reaching a staggering 51.5 percent in 2003 (before improving to 44.1 percent by 2005).

Perhaps even more striking has been the growth in joblessness among prime working-age black males in Milwaukee since 1970. Joblessness among males between the ages of 25-54 is particularly revealing of the state of the local labor market; we're much less likely to see, in this age group, potential workers voluntarily absent from the labor market because of schooling, retirement, or homemaking.

The jobless rate for prime working-age black males was 15.2 percent in 1970, relatively modest by historical standards, albeit double the rate for white city residents and almost quadruple the rate for white suburbanites. However, as has been the case for all working-age black males, joblessness among prime-working age black males has grown ceaselessly in Milwaukee since 1970, peaking at an astonishing 40.8 percent in 2003, before improving to 34.6 percent by 2005.


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RE: black/racial domination - 2/3/2009 1:29:35 PM   
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I just might be misreading the responses, someone help me out.  To me, it's interesting that a specific enquiry about race play is seemingly being treated as an opportunity to interrogate many wide-ranging aspects of race relations in general.  Interesting issues, all of them; but are they what she's talking about?  USPG's concerns - and their rebuttals - aside, the posters who are broadly positive about the OP exploring her interest seem to have side-stepped the issue, again if I'm not mistaken.  Race play and interracial bdsm relationships are not interchangeable but she's asking about the former not the latter.                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                  Also, I fully understand the frustration of those who have expressed on their profiles that they don't dig race play and yet are still inundated with requests for it.  But that's nothing to do with the play itself, it is a symptom of the ubiquitous HNG -- those one handed typists will project!                                                                                                                                                                                                                It's precisely because the issue of race is so charged that eroticising aspects of it is so difficult.  But that's all part of human sexuality.  We don't fashion our subconscious triggers - we work with them and explore them, as and when we choose.   Anyway, I don't want to pseud off here.  Maybe there'll be a sudden upsurge in race play that future sexologists will dub "The Obama Effect" !                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                             But I'm from London and mixed relationships, committed or casual, are very common here - totally unremarkable, in fact.   But don't book your ticket just yet, little annie, we're still just as screwed up about race, as a society.                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                     

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RE: black/racial domination - 2/3/2009 5:19:12 PM   
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ORIGINAL: dociggy523

most white subs who prefer black doms do so because they REALLY love the contrast.  It is a bigger physical turn on than anyone gives it credit.  But just the simple dark vs light color contrast is a HUGE turn on for most of the subs I have talked to.


Thank you.  This is what I said several posts ago.  I am a very visual person and I love the way my Master's skin looks against my own.  It's sexy to me.  I've been on CM for over 3 years and have had the picture of our hands in my profile since I joined.  I can't recall how many dozens of cmails I have received during my time here, telling me how much they like that picture.  One lady said it reminded her of the old United Colors of Benetton ad.  I think it's really cool that there are other people who like the contrast of light and dark. 

I love Him for who He is, and the fact that He's tall, dark, and handsome... well, that's just the icing on the cake. 

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RE: black/racial domination - 2/3/2009 5:31:40 PM   
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ORIGINAL: RealityLicks

Race play and interracial bdsm relationships are not interchangeable
 

Very correct.
                   
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                                                                                                                                                                                   But I'm from London and mixed relationships, committed or casual, are very common here - totally unremarkable, in fact.  


LOL... I'm from Northern VA, outside of DC, and interracial relationships aren't noteworthy here either.  Most people are just happy to find someone they're compatible with. 

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RE: black/racial domination - 2/3/2009 10:50:48 PM   
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ORIGINAL: littleannie

I'm just wondering how common this really is... the concept of being racially dominated, especially by a black male. I've talked to a couple black Doms off this site and a few that were directly into black master/white slave. But I will admit I do not know much about it in general, and am just now trying to turn thought and fantasy into reality.

im just wondering if this is a too far out concept even for this site, which seems weird. I have heard some people say that within d/s there should not be racial boundaries like that. However it is a huge turn on, and I believe I would much more eagerly serve a black master then anybody else.

Anybody have experience with this?
Eager to hear any and all thoughts on this subject.


Personally I have no negative views regarding colour or race as far as slaves I would collar goes, they are individuals and it would depend on their personality as much as anything else.   

Ideally, I have the view that all things being equal, It would be grand to have a slave from each race and colour, but sadly the world doesn't work that way. Still a bloke can dream can't he..

I have no idea how many people of African descent are in the lifestyle here in Australia. I have never met any from Africa, African-American, Pacific Islanders, Maoris, Papuan or Australian Aboriginals; but then I have met personally very few members of the BDSM Community and they have been Asian, Australian-Asian or Caucasian.


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RE: black/racial domination - 2/3/2009 10:58:39 PM   
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i've been following this thread and whoa.

i do have to agree with Daddy's redhead...i love the way my black skin looks on my Master's white skin...but would i be with him if he wasn't white? probably...because he's a wonderful human being not because of his skin color. We're all pink on the inside anyway!

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RE: black/racial domination - 2/4/2009 1:21:50 AM   
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What is "funny" about this thread is..that saying "I prefer coloured people" causes as many emotions as saying "i don't prefer coloured people" in other threads.Didn't expect that.

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RE: black/racial domination - 2/4/2009 1:46:44 AM   
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ORIGINAL: JustDarkness

What is "funny" about this thread is..that saying "I prefer coloured people" causes as many emotions as saying "i don't prefer coloured people" in other threads.Didn't expect that.


What is absolutely fucking hilarious about this thread is that you cannot have a preference of any type when it comes to race without someone jumping your ass. The same people hand-petting the OP will strangle the one who doesn't prefer, even though it is all about "kink" and "turn-ons". Visiting these message boards is often an exercise in discovering how inconsistent people can be about any topic, not just race.

The girl asked a simple question. The simple answer is, it is 2009. Do whatever the hell you want to do. Just don't be an idiot about it. And you are being an idiot if you think you have to come to a message board to ask anyone if  it is ok to see whoever you want to see, thug or not.

What you get out here are opinions that run the gamut from reasonably intelligent to incredibly dense from people who in many cases have enough failed relationships to fill few office buildings. Posting this kind of question is either a tongue-in-cheek way of starting a debate of this nature or comes from someone who forgot to take their blinders off. A woman married a cobra in India last year and you think its too far out to have a black Dom on a message board where people beat, whip, piss on and enslave each other? It is not.

There. Go writhe in racial play all you like. It is quite acceptable as long as both sides are comfortable with it no matter what anyone here says.

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RE: black/racial domination - 2/4/2009 1:54:34 AM   
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you can calm down againthe last line was enough   
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It is quite acceptable as long as both sides are comfortable with it no matter what anyone here says.

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RE: black/racial domination - 2/4/2009 6:29:20 AM   
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quote:

ORIGINAL: littleannie

I'm just wondering how common this really is... the concept of being racially dominated, especially by a black male. I've talked to a couple black Doms off this site and a few that were directly into black master/white slave. But I will admit I do not know much about it in general, and am just now trying to turn thought and fantasy into reality.

im just wondering if this is a too far out concept even for this site, which seems weird. I have heard some people say that within d/s there should not be racial boundaries like that. However it is a huge turn on, and I believe I would much more eagerly serve a black master then anybody else.

Anybody have experience with this?
Eager to hear any and all thoughts on this subject.


Wow littleannie sorry your post got minced because its an interesting one.
As far as it being a too far out concept for this site well going by the pages of vitriol maybe for a couple of people it is. :)
Doesn't sound like any one is eager to come forward with similar experience with enjoying race play.(as opposed to being in an interracial relationship.) So I guess it isn't a common kink?
Can I throw a question out here? What is it that makes race play a turn on? What is the underlying thought process that just flat out does it for you or anybody else?
I'm Australian and I don't feel any taboo about dating someone of a different race  but I'm not sure if thats why you feel a extra turn on for a black Master.
Is it the fun of role play?
I know it isn't politically correct but a few people are turned on by reading historical accounts of slavery (not necessarily American history).
People might intellectually and emotionally abhor true nonconsenual slavery and its abuses, and yet somewhere deep down the concept in fantasy form just turns their crank.
Maybe its the tapping into a subconscious stereotype, black guy = Alpha alpha male?
I know part of my sexuality to some extend objectifies my dominant.
I still see them as a person and an individual but in play there is this concept of "the dominant", "the slave" still threading itself through it all.  So is objectifying your dominant in role play a bad thing?

I think its human nature to embrace stereotypes, its so easy and its alot quicker than thinking! 
I have lots, intellectually I know they are ridiculous and I don't treat people differently because popular culture has wedged a whole lot of easy to access racist, sexist everythingelse-ist symbols into my consciousness, but they are still there lurking.

Example -
Asian = good at math, geeky and cultured, will have a mum that will cry when she finds out his dating a white chick.
Black American = Sidney Poiter with a really big willy,
Jewish guy = going to dominant me intellectually and shred any of my arguments with crystal logic.
Yes I know they are stupid but if I have ridiculous stereotype that fuels a kink Ill shamelessly use it..well..because I'm a perv. :)
(hmm can you tell smart guys make me puddle?)

OK so maybe a race play would be like a historical bodice ripper?
Black slave comes in and seduces white mistress because in the end no matter what the labels may say his natural dominance makes her desert social mores and taboos and beg to submit to him? By his nature he is a natural dominant and she has found her natural place, pathetically licking his feet and begging to be fucked? Triumph over enforced slavery and the discovery of a driving need to submit. You know I'd so go there ESPECIALLY if I got to wear a girlie period frock. See I didn't even think I had race play as a kink but I could talk myself into this no prob!  Except maybe this is historical play and not race play?

I've probably completely got the wrong end of the crop on raceplay but I would love to hear some comments on it.
Littleannie you are so so cute and if you get any pictures of your play I think you should send them to me to further my education.

Cheers

Sea

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RE: black/racial domination - 2/4/2009 7:21:59 AM   
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ORIGINAL: dociggy523

OMG.  I love the fact that this little post from a sub eager to learn and explore something that appeals to her turns into some blown out discussion of racism.  I am a black dom.  I have been a black dom all of my life.  was raised into by my black dom father who took a white sub wife after my mother died.  I grew up in an inner city and now I own my own consulting firm and travel the world doing my work.  I have seen both sides.  I have asked the very question she is asking to MANY subs I have been with.  Its not some deep inner conflict rooted in how or where they were raised.  It isnt an economic boundry line where the sub can feel like she is slumming with a black guy.  The truth that I have learned is two fold. 

First  most white subs who prefer black doms do so because they REALLY love the contrast.  It is a bigger physical turn on than anyone gives it credit.  But just the simple dark vs light color contrast is a HUGE turn on for most of the subs I have talked to.
Second, and this is a bit of a sociological statement, but most black men have a chip on their shoulder.  Honestly its something that most all of us seem to pick up some time in our angry teen years.  In fact most all males of any color get that chip at that time of our lives.  However black men are constantly fed this pc bull.  We constantly have to deal with those people who go out of their way NOT to seem racist so they watch every word they say and yes unfortunatly we also have to deal with some racist bigots out there.  Truth be told there are plenty of black racist bigots against whites too.  But because (even though its getting better) there is still a large part of the everyday public that cant just treat us like normal folk, we get a bit of an attitude.  That attitude tends to lead us to more dominant and aggressive personalities.  And that extra dominance is something that most of the subs I have been with were attracted to. 

The fact that she is into black is nothing more than just that.  what she wants.  Is she more likely to run into pimps and thugs?  YES.  unfortunatly  that is the way a lot of black men go.  But she doesnt want a pimp  she wants an owner.  and from her posts and talking to her she strikes me as smart enough to know the difference between someone who can own her and some dumb punk who wants to pimp her.


Hehe... I see you defended me. Plus I agree with your post, cause it makes sense and it explains things that I can't easily/don't feel comfortable trying to elaborate on.
I knew there was a reason I liked talking to you... ummm yeah....took me that long to find one. ;)

P.S. to the poster who called me an idiot for coming on here and asking if it was ok (Horne)... oh please. not everybody on this earth is as well versed in the world of kinky sexplay as some people are. I realize now it's fine to like whatever you want. But if you reread my original post, although I did ask if it was too far-out, which I can obviously see it is not, I was more asking what people thought of it and if anybody had any experience in the matter. I didn't know it would start such a huge debate, I certainly didn't mean it that way. Forgive me for being a beginner at something, dang. I know there is such thing as googling, but sometimes it's much better to actual hear peoples ideas and stuff in relation to your own, ya know?

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RE: black/racial domination - 2/4/2009 9:16:30 AM   
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littleannie,

I don't think you started a racial debate at all. I think you asked a simple and sincere question that some others have turned into something else. You seem to have plenty of sincere responses to your actual question to help you find confidence in your interest. Please do not take offense to other people's misconceptions or exagerated opinions. They have the right to their opinions just as well as you do, although some may have overstepped the bounds of 'having' an opinion.

Best of luck in finding what you seek...

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RE: black/racial domination - 2/4/2009 9:46:42 AM   
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No matter how many times the police find the remains of half-eaten corpses in the basements of middle classed white men, black people are still the scariest people on the planet.


Well, yeah. The corpses were only HALF-eaten. Black people eat the whole thing. Duh.

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RE: black/racial domination - 2/4/2009 9:53:20 AM   
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To get back to the OP, from a male sub/bottom perspective, I don't have any racial preference or specifically racial fantasy. Any attractive female has the potential to entice me, and attractiveness for me is not dependent on race. On the other hand, there is a certain "extra" attached to the exotic appearance of races different from my own - the exotic appeal of "otherness", something that is a little different from what I'm used to.

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RE: black/racial domination - 2/4/2009 9:55:42 AM   
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LOL, that's the funniest thing you've ever posted hardbody.

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JustDarkness  
you can calm down again
the last line was enough 
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It is quite acceptable as long as both sides are comfortable with it no matter what anyone here says.
I agree JD.    M

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