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Pros and cons of participating in team sports - 2/2/2009 9:09:46 AM

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Good Monday morning A/all,

The day after the Super Bowl seems appropriate for bringing up this subject. What are the pros and cons of participation in team sports? Off the top of my head a few would be -

Pros -

exercise, working together as a group, stress release, learning a positive way to deal with agression, feeling of belonging, creating and achieving goals, family orientated activities

Cons-

injuries potentially disabling, performance pressure leading to abuse of steroids, group think, becoming a bully, lack of attention to academics

Your thoughts and comments?

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RE: Pros and cons of participating in team sports - 2/2/2009 9:22:14 AM

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The uniforms, Ven, the uniforms. They're NASTY.

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RE: Pros and cons of participating in team sports - 2/2/2009 9:27:26 AM

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Good point there, kitten. "Do these shoulder pads make my ass look fat?"

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RE: Pros and cons of participating in team sports - 2/2/2009 11:40:51 AM

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Team sports may very well be one of the best grounds for teaching there has ever been.
Having played and coached for years I wouldn't trade the lessons learned there for that of my education!
I played basketball so, no shoulder pads but, had to wear those tight ass shorts of years ago, and they were not flattering to anyone!

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RE: Pros and cons of participating in team sports - 2/2/2009 12:13:10 PM

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I think team sports played a huge role in my growing-up process, the "figuring out who I am and what I can do if i set my mind to it" process. It taught me the value of hard work, and the importance of sacrificing my own short-term desires for the benefit of a group effort. It also taught me how to develop my leadership potential in group settings. From that grew a sense of self-confidence that I think it would have been difficult to learn in almost any other setting. I was a pretty shy, insecure kid growing up, but as I became more involved with basketball and hockey as a young teen, I found out I was a really good athlete. It was amazing to me how quickly I went from the kid nobody wanted to talk to to the kid who everybody wanted to get the ball or the puck to when the game was on the line, and I was fortunate enough to be able to grow into that new self-awareness and tap into a potential I probably never would have realized I had if it weren't for team sports.

But the most important thing that team sports taught me when I was younger was the value of perseverance. From competeing against other kids, i learned that most times the race is not to the swiftest or to the strongest, but to the one who just refuses to give up. That was one of the most important lessons of my life, and I learned it on a hockey rink at about age 5. I was miserable, i was cold, my ankles hurt, my feet were frozen, I'd been getting knocked down all morning, and I just wanted to be home watching cartoons. Then I happened to look into the eyes of one of the bigger, better skaters, a kid who'd been making me look like an idiot all morning. And I saw, in a flash of insight, that he didn't want to be there either. I could see that he was miserable too, and that he hated being out there in the cold. I could see that he really wanted to quit. And I knew instantly that all I had to do was outlast him, and he'd give up first.

And that's exactly what happened. By the end of the day, he and most of the other kids were just quitting, just going through the motions. And I was now controlling the play. I still wasn't as good as the bigger kids, but it didn't matter. They weren't trying anymore, and because I still was, I was able to do pretty much whatever I wanted. And I never forgot that lesson. So now, that shy and insecure kid has grown into a shy and sometimes insecure man who at least knows that no matter how much he may doubt himself, he can accomplish impossible things if he just tries as hard as he can.I have team sports to thank for that, and there's not a day goes by that I'm not thankful that my parents forced me to participate in them.

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RE: Pros and cons of participating in team sports - 2/2/2009 12:19:55 PM

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The team sport as we know it today is an English export. You omitted one of the key virtues in your list: a sense of fair play. Interestingly enough, there was a piece on the news last night about an American basketball coach who was sacked for allowing is team to win 100-0.

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RE: Pros and cons of participating in team sports - 2/2/2009 12:23:41 PM

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Vendeval: What are the pros and cons of participation in team sports?

Acceptable social outlet for homoerotic tendencies. All that butt slapping and male rutting behavior followed by communal showers. Locker rooms are getting to be the only places where like-minded boys can meet and play. Airport bathrooms are just too crowded with politicians these days.

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RE: Pros and cons of participating in team sports - 2/2/2009 12:26:32 PM

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quote:

ORIGINAL: Vendaval

Good Monday morning A/all,

The day after the Super Bowl seems appropriate for bringing up this subject. What are the pros and cons of participation in team sports? Off the top of my head a few would be -

Pros -
exercise, working together as a group, stress release, learning a positive way to deal with agression, feeling of belonging, creating and achieving goals, family orientated activities

Cons-
injuries potentially disabling, performance pressure leading to abuse of steroids, group think, becoming a bully, lack of attention to academics

Your thoughts and comments?

Actually, if you put aside football and basketball at the collegiate level, the GPA of student athletes is actually higher than the general school body in most cases!

Something to be said for the discipline team sports teaches. I will say that, subsequently, I have found people who played a decent amount of team sports or engaged in some other kind of team goal activity regularly while growing up to be much easier to work with in the real world. The lone wolves just seem to have more to learn about the how and why of groups, and often turn into poor fits in the kinds of work environments I have been in (jobs too complicated to be done by a single person).

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RE: Pros and cons of participating in team sports - 2/2/2009 1:40:06 PM

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@Vendaval
Actually a majority of students that play team sports - concentrate on their basics - At least in Ohio - you have to maintain passing grades to play. Sure the grades don't have to be "A's" but sometimes any thread of motivation - even for a "C" grade is something a teacher will use....
I also hate to say it - but coaches in the building as teachers and aides - are a great motivator - crowd control for teachers. if an athlete is stepping out of line - a quick call to the coach - can settle people down.

things that I would include on your pro list: Learning to act/react in group dynamics, team work and dealing with bullies...
Better to learn it now in school than out in the real world and be a crazy with a gun in a work place.

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RE: Pros and cons of participating in team sports - 2/2/2009 3:00:25 PM

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The politics of athletes and academics vary from school to school in my experience. I witnessed quite a few atheletes over the years that barely paid attention or bothered to attend classes at one school and another school where the GPA rules were enforced.

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RE: Pros and cons of participating in team sports - 2/2/2009 3:02:33 PM

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So the concept of fair play and being polite to the opponent after a match is part of the English culture then? I have heard someone say, "That was or was not very sporting of him," in reference to another person.

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The team sport as we know it today is an English export. You omitted one of the key virtues in your list: a sense of fair play. Interestingly enough, there was a piece on the news last night about an American basketball coach who was sacked for allowing is team to win 100-0.

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RE: Pros and cons of participating in team sports - 2/2/2009 3:09:49 PM

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So the concept of fair play and being polite to the opponent after a match is part of the English culture then? I have heard someone say, "That was or was not very sporting of him," in reference to another person.

...British culture.....and it's definitely an ideal. Not always lived up to, but then what ideals are? You'll maybe have heard someone say, "It's just not cricket".......same thing.

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RE: Pros and cons of participating in team sports - 2/2/2009 3:12:04 PM

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Yes, I had wondered about that. What do grasshoppers have to do with human behavior after all....

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RE: Pros and cons of participating in team sports - 2/2/2009 3:21:10 PM

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What do grasshoppers have to do with human behavior after all....

The high jump?

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RE: Pros and cons of participating in team sports - 2/2/2009 3:30:24 PM

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I was thinking of a cartoon character who first appeared in Disney's Pinocchio.

http://www.toonopedia.com/jiminy.htm

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RE: Pros and cons of participating in team sports - 2/2/2009 7:07:22 PM

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Good Monday morning A/all,

The day after the Super Bowl seems appropriate for bringing up this subject. What are the pros and cons of participation in team sports? Off the top of my head a few would be -

Pros -
exercise, working together as a group, stress release, learning a positive way to deal with agression, feeling of belonging, creating and achieving goals, family orientated activities

Cons-
injuries potentially disabling, performance pressure leading to abuse of steroids, group think, becoming a bully, lack of attention to academics

Your thoughts and comments?

We got all that and a lot more in the military.
Plus, you get to fire automatic weapons.

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RE: Pros and cons of participating in team sports - 2/3/2009 12:54:56 AM

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But you can also become a target yourself.

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RE: Pros and cons of participating in team sports - 2/3/2009 1:01:51 AM

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my friend always mentioned "showering" as a pro for team sports..he is bisexual...and when he mentions that in the shower..it became negative for others...lol

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RE: Pros and cons of participating in team sports - 2/3/2009 1:04:03 AM

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Ha hah...we have many jokes here about towel fights between guys in the locker room.

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RE: Pros and cons of participating in team sports - 2/3/2009 5:13:41 AM

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My ums don't take steroids. They must keep their grades above a certain level or they aren't allowed to play.

The major downfall I see with team sports is that after high school it is less likely people will be playing on a team. So it is harder to keep up an exercise regimen by yourself when you are accustomed to do so with a coach checking to see if you show up for practice.

Of course from a parent's viewpoint the major downside is picking the kid up in the snow at 6:30 at night because one of the other team's had a game and his got stuck with late practice. Didn't make it home yesterday for an hour and that's a lot longer than it should have taken considering I went by the short cut.

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