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Gwynvyd -> RE: How come Hannity doesn't get fired? (2/3/2009 11:31:46 AM)

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ORIGINAL: MasterShake69

Lets get to some facts.
Where did Bush spend most of his life?  TEXAS??  I don't think he has a fake Texas accent ;)
His foreign policy was viewed as being a cowboy.  The cowboy reference typically was used as an INSULT against Bush and not a complement.
Bush believes in Jesus while Obama believes in himself

Bush unlike Nike or Pepsi never had a logo.  While Mr Obama has his symbol.   He had become a product for the masses. Obamas campaign mirrored that of the old pepsi campaign a choice for a new generation.



Really? *you* know what is in Obamas heart then? wow just wow... with powers like these what are you doing wasting time on the internet. Hell you could be the next Solomon!

You nor anyone outside of Obama himself knows what is in his heart... or if he believes in Jesus. You can try to marginalize him.. by saying he doesnt.. but a lot of people will call bullshit on that one.

hell even if he didnt.... does that make him less capable of a leader?

Other world leaders out there are different religions ya know. Jesus isnt the only game in town. Funny how Americans think it is.

Well now that we have a Black, Democrat prez in place how can we defame him in a way that wont set off sensors of prejudice? I know! Say he doesnt love Jesus!

What a load of crap.

Obama could be a better Christian in the whole scheme of things then W was.... we will never know because it isnt for us top judge. But I can say he is upholding some of the Christian values that W pissed on durring his time in.

Charity, community, hope, the list goes on.

But people who are ignorant will damn him for his upbringing, and having lived outside of the US.
*just shakes her head*

Gwyn




DomKen -> RE: How come Hannity doesn't get fired? (2/3/2009 11:49:29 AM)

I read the koran and the bible and the talmud in school in the US. Does that make me a chrstojudeomuslim?




DedicatedDom40 -> RE: How come Hannity doesn't get fired? (2/3/2009 11:58:25 AM)

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ORIGINAL: DomKen

I read the koran and the bible and the talmud in school in the US. Does that make me a chrstojudeomuslim?




No, but I bet you have one hell of a blast at the RamadHanukkaXmas party!




WomenDontRule -> RE: How come Hannity doesn't get fired? (2/3/2009 12:16:37 PM)

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ORIGINAL: KaineD

Honestly.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nvtZUNAzD68&feature=related

Surely Fox must have got a lot of phone calls and letters of complaint after that.

I don't get how he can pull crap like this and still have a job.  There should be people at the doors of Fox News demanding Hannity gets fired.


"The 1800 election was a rematch of the 1796 election. The campaign was bitter and characterized by slander and personal attacks on both sides. However, Jefferson lost the first election and won the second. Federalists spread rumors that the Democratic-Republicans were radicals who would murder their opponents, burn churches, and destroy the country (based on the Democratic-Republican preference for France over Britain. At the time, the rather violent French revolution was in full swing). In 1798, George Washington (who had no political party) had complained "that you could as soon scrub the blackamoor white, as to change the principles of a profest [sic] Democrat; and that he will leave nothing unattempted to overturn the Government of this Country.” Meanwhile, the Democratic-Republicans accused Federalists of destroying republican values, not to mention political support from immigrants, with the Alien and Sedition Acts, some of which were later called unconstitutional after their expiration by the Supreme Court; they also accused Federalists of favoring Britain in order to promote aristocratic, anti-republican values.
Adams was attacked by both the opposition Democratic-Republicans and by "High Federalists" in his own Federalist Party who were aligned with Hamilton. The Democratic-Republicans felt that Adams' foreign policy was too favorable toward Britain, feared that the new army called up for the Quasi-War would oppress the people, opposed Adams' new taxes, and attacked his Alien and Sedition Acts as violations of states' rights and the Constitution. A faction of “High Federalists” considered Adams too moderate; it would seem natural that Federalist leader Alexander Hamilton, in his third sabotage attempt towards Adams, schemed to elect Vice Presidential candidate Charles Cotesworth Pinckney to the Presidency. One of Hamilton's letters, providing a scathing criticism of Adams and spanning fifty-four pages[5], became public when it came into the hands of a Republican, embarrassing Adams and damaging Hamilton's efforts on behalf of Pinckney, not to mention speeding Hamilton's own political decline.
Hamilton had apparently grown impatient with Adams and wanted a new president who was more amenable to his pro-federal goals. During Washington's presidency Hamilton had been able to influence the federal response to the Whiskey Rebellion (which threatened the government's authority to tax citizens). Hamilton suggested to Washington that he lead the New York State militia to quash the rebellion in Pennsylvania. The Whiskey Rebellion infuriated Secretary of State Thomas Jefferson who felt the government was abusing its power against the rights of the citizens." (From Wikipedia)
 
Change the names to Bush, Obama, Franken, Pelosi, Palin.....and you could almost copy it all verbatim and assign a role to each. Ditto Hannity (sp?) or Limbaugh, or Streisand, or Clinton......

I did not vote for Obama, but the man is now my President and I accept that. I'm not going to secede from the union because my man did not win. Mr. Obama was lawfully elected by a majority of the sentient beings of voting age and so now I owe him my loyalty, just as the Kerry people owed it to George Bush and the Adams people owed it to Jefferson.  He has a hard enough job.....but loyalty is not acquiescence and the difficulty of his mission should not make him immune to criticism. The problem is that manufactured drama is replacing journalism, sound bites and cleverly edited quotes are replacing substantive discussion - in a way very curiously reminiscent of 1800. There is a difference between constructive if not vehement criticism, and child-like tantrums.  I'm a registered Independent - I vote purely on issues and candidates.

By the way I do on occasion watch Hannity and there are times when he is correct in his assessment of some issues - just as the Kennedys, Pelosis, and Clintons of the world are.  I'm not simple minded. I have an IQ of 159, and am a highly accomplished individual. Your painting people with the same tarred brush you accuse Hannity of using, is not exactly a stellar example to follow.

WDL

"........do us all a favor and READ my profile before you get all lathered up...."





slaveboyforyou -> RE: How come Hannity doesn't get fired? (2/3/2009 12:42:44 PM)

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Free speech applies when Hannity stands on his own property and talks.  But when he enters the private property of others, his speech can be limited.  Its no different than Walmart refusing people who want to hand out leaflets to shoppers as they exit the stores. "Free speech" would not apply. In this case, Fox allows him to speak on their property and use their conduit over the airwaves.

The airwaves were always considered government property, and in exchange for private enterprise using those airwaves to make money, they were OBLIGATED to do nonpartisan news.  Historically, news bureaus never were profit centers, instead, they were a 30-minute "public service announcement".  It was always considered a financial loss for TV stations to do the news, but they accepted that loss as a requirement for the right to broadcast over public-owned airwaves. 


You do realize that FOX is a cable news network, like CNN and MSNBC?  It isn't shown over the public airwaves.  Your assertions are bogus.  I'm not a fan of Sean Hannity; he's a loudmouth blowhard.  But he isn't any different from Keith Obermann. 




DedicatedDom40 -> RE: How come Hannity doesn't get fired? (2/3/2009 2:33:24 PM)

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ORIGINAL: slaveboyforyou

You do realize that FOX is a cable news network, like CNN and MSNBC?  It isn't shown over the public airwaves.  Your assertions are bogus.  I'm not a fan of Sean Hannity; he's a loudmouth blowhard.  But he isn't any different from Keith Obermann. 



Fox and MSNBC also broadcast over public airwaves "the old fashoned way".

As for Cable, the industry will be gone in 15 years.  As broadcast technology goes digital, it will advance at a fast pace, and it will exceed the infrastructure capabilities of all those cable wires strung all around the country. Already, dish (airwaves) can deliver 1080p HDTV signals, which cable cannot do. As technology improves, dish can deliver the upgrade alot cheaper than a cable outfit that has to go around stringing new wire everywhere.  Cable companies are struggling now from competition and the debt load from previously stringing the wires they have now.  They won't exist in 15 years.




ModeratorEleven -> RE: How come Hannity doesn't get fired? (2/3/2009 2:59:58 PM)

Derailing, personal attacks and general stupidity removed.  As you were, people.

XI





philosophy -> RE: How come Hannity doesn't get fired? (2/3/2009 3:11:33 PM)

Hannity reminds me of the crusades..... (bear with me ModXI, i'm going somewhere with this).....the crusades are an example of how horrible things get when religion and politics mix. The worst of both worlds is magnified. Hannity, especially in the link in the OP, opens the door to that same terrible comingling of societal institutions.
Essentially, in the same way we talk of someone playing the race card, Hannity is playing the religion card. Dangerous, irresponsible....but, immensely sadly, profitable. Just like the crusades.




slaveboyforyou -> RE: How come Hannity doesn't get fired? (2/3/2009 3:34:34 PM)

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Fox and MSNBC also broadcast over public airwaves "the old fashoned way".


Fox broadcasts on it's affiliates, which are generally UHF stations.  FNC is not the same entity as Fox affiliate broadcast channels.  It's newscasts like you'd see on any broadcast network.  It's not Hannity, O'Reilly, or any other commentator.  NBC is not MSNBC. 

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As for Cable, the industry will be gone in 15 years.  As broadcast technology goes digital, it will advance at a fast pace, and it will exceed the infrastructure capabilities of all those cable wires strung all around the country. Already, dish (airwaves) can deliver 1080p HDTV signals, which cable cannot do. As technology improves, dish can deliver the upgrade alot cheaper than a cable outfit that has to go around stringing new wire everywhere.  Cable companies are struggling now from competition and the debt load from previously stringing the wires they have now.  They won't exist in 15 years. 


You're making an assumption that may or may not come to pass.  I don't see cable dying out in the next 15 years, but that's not the discussion here.  FNC isn't broadcast over the public airwaves, and FNC has no obligation to tempor Hannity's program or offer an opposing viewpoint. 




SilverMark -> RE: How come Hannity doesn't get fired? (2/3/2009 3:40:49 PM)

Hannity has great ratings! Fox is a conservative platform as are the a.m. radio stations he broadcasts on....He makes $$$$$$$ for the staion and for himself!...
If he didn't he wouldn't be there...I can't stand him myself so I turn the station....it works for me.




DedicatedDom40 -> RE: How come Hannity doesn't get fired? (2/3/2009 3:45:50 PM)

The affiliate relationship makes no difference, just as it made no difference 30 years ago when they were forced to have responsible news via afilliates..  The parent company would still be responsible for complaince as it was in the past.




MarsBonfire -> RE: How come Hannity doesn't get fired? (2/3/2009 3:50:18 PM)

Mastershake69,

My cat had kittens in an old oven that's in my barn. I guess that makes them biscuits. (At least, according to your logic they are.)




thornhappy -> RE: How come Hannity doesn't get fired? (2/3/2009 3:53:09 PM)

quote:

ORIGINAL: MasterShake69

Lets get to some facts.
Where did Bush spend most of his life?  TEXAS??  I don't think he has a fake Texas accent ;)
His foreign policy was viewed as being a cowboy.  The cowboy reference typically was used as an INSULT against Bush and not a complement.

Bush has never been a cowboy...to borrow a phrase, he's "all hat and no cattle."  He has no livestock, so he's not a cowboy.

thornhappy




TranceTara -> RE: How come Hannity doesn't get fired? (2/3/2009 4:14:21 PM)

I was born Jewish and my parents were not dogmatic in that I attend Hebrew school and follow their faith. They were comfortable enough in themselves and loved me enough to let me explore and find which religious path, if any, suited me. I did not like the idea of a punishing God in heaven, so I began my search.

In high school, we had to read the Bible and I could not get past Genesis I and II. Already I found a discrepancy in the logic for I was faced with two different creation stories. Ah, perhaps this is symbolic and not to be taken literally. As I read further I began to think that in many parts, the King James Bible was the ideal form of crowd control. Put the fear of God into people and they'll do as you say.

From some of the posts I have read, I get the feeling that Muslim is a bad word. I know some Muslims and they are some of the kindest people I have met. And, I know some Christians who go to church like good Christians, attend Church meetings and yet, they are quite dishonest. I was shocked when I heard one young man telling me how we could write off certain things at work to get credit. I looked at him and told him, "That is most unethical." So, based upon the reasoning that others are using, if I wished to base my concept of Christians upon this young man and a couple of other cross wearing, Jesus loving gang members who have been in jail and still do some illegal things, I could then say, if A then B. So, if a Christian, then one is dishonest and is a member of gangs. And, I could all say if C then D, C being the Muslims I know and D being that they are kind, loving and ethical. So, all Muslims are kind and ethical. But such thinking is quite limited and erroneous for I am basing my judgment on the acts of a few people. To generalize such things is quite unfair.
(I edited this paragraph for the original was poorly written and did not make sense when I re-read it.)

I have a copy of the Lamsa Bible and in the the Introduction, there is a very long explanation about the original text of the Bible, the Aramaic Peshitta Text. Now, if a bug had accidentally splattered onto the page, or if some ink splattered, thus making a dot over or under a word, that would change the meaning of the word entirely. Also, if one was not well versed in the language, one could very well misinterpret the text. An example, PESHITTA TEXT "And the Lord said to Moses, take all the chiefs of the people and expose them before the Lord in the daylight..." Kind James version "And the Lord said unto Moses, Take all the heads of the people, and hang them up before the Lord against the sun..." Deuteronomy 27:16. I guess some people lost their heads over that one. [;)]

My point is that there are many cultures. And, I cannot claim to understand them all. I thought the piece by Hannity was a bit funny and I do not believe a word of it. And on the other hand, it scares me a bit because some people will take this as free reign to judge and further separate themselves from a people they consider the enemy. The enemy is not the Muslim faith. The enemy is not the Jewish faith. The enemy is not the Christian faith. The enemy is not Wicca, Buddhism, taoism Confucianism... and others I have omitted from lack of time and ignorance. The enemy is ignorance and an unwillingness to open one's heart to another's differences. I have seen many left wing radicals do similar things with those they wanted to poke fun at. I do not agree with either extreme. I do not like extremes. I find them rather mean. I like Green eggs and ham. But do not give me spam.

I love the teachings of Jesus, but I am not a Christian. I have had many many empowerments in highest Tantra yoga of Tantric Buddhism, but I do not identify as a Buddhist. I gaze at my picture of Jesus hanging over my Green Tara and Avolketishvara statues and know they are one and the same. I am One with them. Jesus was the son of God, as are we all. (And my definition is more quantum based than religious based.) We all have access to peace within and that is where it starts. I must go within, come to terms with my own intolerance and be willing to feel the discomfort and pain so I can be a better person in order to bring about more peace and love on this all too chaotic planet.

I love this line from the movie The Kingdom of Heaven, "There is so much done in the name of Christendom of which Christ would be incapable." Amen! Christ was not a Christian. He was a man who only wanted to show people that they had the power within. Perhaps he was a Master? [:D] He had influence because he cared, he was passionate and he did not judge. Nowadays there is so much judgment done in his name, well, I bet if he were alive right now he'd be crying his eyes out and I'd be there to hold him and tell him his work was all not for naught.

In Ethics 101 John Maxwell makes it a point to say the most important rule to remember in ethics is the Golden Rule:
Christianity: "Whatever you want men to do to you, do also to them."
Islam: "No one of you is a believer until he loves for his neighbor what he loves for himself."
Judaism: "What is hateful to you, do not do to your fellow man. This is the entire Law; all the rest is commentary."
Buddhism: "Hurt not others with that which pains yourself."
Hinduism: "This is the sum of duty; do naught unto others what you would not have them do unto you."
Zoroastrianism: "Whatever is disagreeable to yourself, do not do unto others."
Confucianism: "What you do not want done to yourself, do not do to others."
Bahai: "And if thine eyes be turned towards justice, choose thou for thy neighbor that which thou chooses for thyself."
Jainism: " A man should wander about treating all creatures as he himself would be treated."
Yoruba Proverb (Nigeria): One going to take a pointed stick to pinch a baby bird should first try it on himself to feel how it hurts."

Okay, so I am not addressing the masochists here. lol Lord knows how we love pain. [:D] "But officer, I was doing unto others as I wanted done unto me. I thought they'd love that whipping." [sm=mistress.gif]

When I feel an angry thought arising I now stop before saying anything and pause. I then ask, "Where the heck is this coming from?" I ask myself if it's fear based, ego based, wanting to be right, being so dogmatic that I cannot allow room for another's opinion, or is it in witnessing an injustice. I used to be very hot tempered and was very active in PETA and some other causes. I then found that anger and ridicule shuts doors fast. But a willingness to listen and be receptive opens and respect keeps them open, and then we have a chance for peace. (Edited because I left out the willingness to listen and be receptve.)

I personally do not believe in organized religion for the simple fact that it seems to organize different faiths against one another. It saddens me greatly when people have to resort to name calling and intolerance in order to be right. (Why can't there be more than one right way?) I do have a lot of faith and read the words of Jesus, Buddha and now have a Koran which I shall soon begin to read (I also just got two books on Tantra and as the homework assignments are many and I wish to be a very very good student[:D], the Koran will wait for a bit.) I also love the ancient Mayans. And, now I know why they call it Armageddon. When it happens Armageddon outta here. [;)]

And, I voted for Obama, but that does not mean I blindly trust him. He is a human being yes, but he is also a politician. Red flag in my book. But, I believe in a lot of what he is attempting to accomplish by opening the doors of communication. Let's give him a chance.

May we all find some common ground, inner peace and COSMIC ORGASMS.




slaveboyforyou -> RE: How come Hannity doesn't get fired? (2/3/2009 4:34:18 PM)

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The affiliate relationship makes no difference, just as it made no difference 30 years ago when they were forced to have responsible news via afilliates..  The parent company would still be responsible for complaince as it was in the past.


Responsible for what compliance?  Hannity is not shown on Fox's over the air broadcasts.  The show is on FNC, which is a cable channel.  Cable channels aren't under the same regulations as over the air broadcasts, and they weren't 30 years ago either. 




domiguy -> RE: How come Hannity doesn't get fired? (2/3/2009 4:38:59 PM)

Hannity is allowed to do anything in the fuck that he wants.  If you got a problem contact the sponsors and inform them that you are not going to buy the products advertised on his show. 

Good luck.




OrionTheWolf -> RE: How come Hannity doesn't get fired? (2/3/2009 4:56:36 PM)

Because it actually increases the amount of viewers.

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ORIGINAL: KaineD

Honestly.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nvtZUNAzD68&feature=related

Surely Fox must have got a lot of phone calls and letters of complaint after that.

I don't get how he can pull crap like this and still have a job.  There should be people at the doors of Fox News demanding Hannity gets fired.




ThatDaveGuy69 -> RE: How come Hannity doesn't get fired? (2/3/2009 5:19:30 PM)

I got news for you dish lovers: cable will only get better with time.  As we speak my ComCast box is delivering 1080p channels to my recroom.  Satellites have a very definite limit in their bandwidth and weather will always be an issue with an 18- or 36-inch dish.  Not to mention the whole inter-active aspect of cable which simply does not exist in the satellite world.

Just a little food for thought that has very little to with the topic...

~Dave




Hippiekinkster -> RE: How come Hannity doesn't get fired? (2/3/2009 6:02:47 PM)

Outstanding post, TranceTara.




GimpinDenial -> RE: How come Hannity doesn't get fired? (2/3/2009 6:07:11 PM)

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ORIGINAL: OrionTheWolf

Because it actually increases the amount of viewers.

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ORIGINAL: KaineD
Surely Fox must have got a lot of phone calls and letters of complaint after that.

I don't get how he can pull crap like this and still have a job.  There should be people at the doors of Fox News demanding Hannity gets fired.



Also, it gets people talking......

These are a few of the main goals, are they not?




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