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CatdeMedici -> References please (2/3/2009 11:38:45 AM)

I keep seeing these profiles that say, "references provided"---how in the world and how valid are references provided on either side of the slash line? (D/s)?
 
Have you ever requested or provided references? What do you say/ask for?
 
I'm thinking something like " great oral slave but sucks at daily laundry"
 
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MistressXahDee -> RE: References please (2/3/2009 11:42:21 AM)

I'll ask a friend if they have a history of flaking out on meetings.

ETA: Never asked for references but I DO ask around IRL.




colouredin -> RE: References please (2/3/2009 11:45:05 AM)

If a friend of mine is friends with them I may ask but whats it they say a referance is only as good as its source




GreedyTop -> RE: References please (2/3/2009 11:48:23 AM)

References are only as good as the trust you have in the person you ask.




colouredin -> RE: References please (2/3/2009 11:49:13 AM)

thats the one soon to be Mrs Pirate.




CreativeDominant -> RE: References please (2/3/2009 11:51:16 AM)

Nicely said, everyone.  And here's another point to consider...if I REALLY want to be with you, am I going to give you any references for you to contact who might actually have something really bad to say about me?  (that, of course, is the generic "I" because everyone who has met me and knows me loves me [;)][;)])




MsDDom -> RE: References please (2/3/2009 11:58:07 AM)

quote:

I'm thinking something like " great oral slave but sucks at daily laundry"


LOL!! thx for that laugh...  [:D]

i wouldn't ask for them...i can make my own analysis




ExKat -> RE: References please (2/3/2009 12:08:46 PM)

 Ex offered. It's one of those safety procedures for newbies that we'd read about in books...in the end, probably pointless. I said no, since I didn't really want to hear someone give me a run-down of his sexual prowess before we'd even gone out (or to tell me he wasn't a serial killer). I rank them somewhere sillier than safety calls.




DesFIP -> RE: References please (2/3/2009 12:09:02 PM)

Nobody is going to provide as a reference somebody who will say something negative. So it's a self selected thing. Plus if it's online you don't know if the reference is actually an alternate profile made for that purpose.




Naberius -> RE: References please (2/3/2009 12:24:41 PM)

Some yahoos on their profiles believe if they add the word references, it appears that they are true to form. Not! If someone asks me, they get personal references of who know my true character. Since I do not attend parties, munches or clubs, I have zero lifestyle references and if they cannot handle that, I hit the delete button as they aren't worth my time.




LuckyAlbatross -> RE: References please (2/3/2009 12:30:57 PM)

People think they are snazzy.  Same reason they put "I play SSC" or "I respect your limits"

Empty crap trite words, but they attract the fish.




Madame4a -> RE: References please (2/3/2009 12:35:28 PM)

For me, and I can only speak for me... if you're a part of the local community here, I could provide references within the community that are people that a lot of folks know -- one of the local dungeon owners knows me very well, as well as other people.  I think only someone I'd been with, in a relationship could speak to somethings.. but I do play publically, my skills on some level are on display in that sense.  I believe for the most part, the references I can provide will tell someone I am who I say I am, have the kind of experience I claim, and that the history I present is in fact real.

That said, I've met VERY few (only folks I knew already) people in the local scene on CM -- most that I've met have no clue about it, so I can't check them out.. and any references I might provide would be meaningless.  For me, if I ask for a reference, I either have to trust the person giving it, or have some idea that this person is on the level (known to someone else I know).  It doesn't work so well online, but it does in RT.  If I meet someone at a local club, if they are not completely new, its possible I can get something about them from someone else.

When I met 'distraction', I went to the dungeon owner that night and said "hey, do you know him" .. he said.. by sight.. but go make friends *grin* ... I went without references.

They are not essential for me, but they cut down on several things -- and they save some time.  They should be taken with a grain of salt however, they are not a substitute for getting to know someone face to face.

And while its not an absolute for me, or a deal breaker, I'd rather someone who has had some experience outside of their bedroom -- clubs, munches... play parties.. etc. 




popeye1250 -> RE: References please (2/3/2009 12:50:40 PM)

I have a concealed weapons permit and unless you have a clean criminal background check you can't get one.
That's a start.




littlewonder -> RE: References please (2/3/2009 12:54:50 PM)

References mean diddly-squat.

There are tons of references out there who all told me to never marry my husband, that he would destroy my life. If I had listened to that advice I wouldn't have married a wonderful man who was on his way to building us a great life together.

There are tons of people who thought my ex dom was some uberdomly god. He wasn't and I'll leave it at that.

There are some people out there who think I"m the biggest fuckup they ever met and then ther are others who think I'm this great and resilient woman...take your pick.

I don't give references and I don't listen to any. I use my own rationale, braincells and intuition to decide for myself.




IronBear -> RE: References please (2/3/2009 1:50:18 PM)

If someone wants to provide me with references, that's fine but by the time they do, I've probably done a check on them anyway through a network of reliable people. I'm more interested to make sure they have a clean bill of health legaly such as no pending legal matters and criminal history.. Just takes a few phone calls.. Any real flakes, I usually get to hear aboiut if they are doing the rounds.. 




Prinsexx -> RE: References please (2/3/2009 3:13:22 PM)

quote:

ORIGINAL: CatdeMedici

I keep seeing these profiles that say, "references provided"---how in the world and how valid are references provided on either side of the slash line? (D/s)?
 
Have you ever requested or provided references? What do you say/ask for?
 
I'm thinking something like " great oral slave but sucks at daily laundry"
 
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edited for typo

Yes i was asked to provide references once. At the time i thought how weird it was, a dominant asking a s-type for a reference as the logic suggested to me that a reference meant the relationship was over, that is that a reference would signify a previous relationship. Now if an s-type was happy and having needs met and hadn't withdrawn consent then why would a relationship end? One would rather less ask for a reference from a protesting ex anyway......
thus i wrote my reference and he put it on his profile....instead of my writing 'demands i fulfill overwhelming levels of procurement' i wrote: 'loves to play with others....'
after reading the reference he text: Why that!.....guess i should have said: 'there's no pleasing the guy no matter what i did.................'




YourhandMyAss -> RE: References please (2/3/2009 3:17:59 PM)

I agree that I think references are a joke, I mean honestly how many of us would give a reference who;d say anything bad about us.





SailingBum -> RE: References please (2/3/2009 3:27:47 PM)

References are lame.  Like I will give a name of someone who will speak ill of me.

BadOne




Madame4a -> RE: References please (2/3/2009 3:30:41 PM)

FR

Wow, clearly I have a different view of references than others do.

Its not so much about the ones provided... but some lead to others.  They are part of the information package; they are not advice on what to do.  I choose how I react to a reference, regardless of what it is.




feydeplume -> RE: References please (2/3/2009 3:38:36 PM)

And some people can give references, not just personal opinions from friends or lovers. Like someone that teaches a class in something, say rope work, that in itself is a reference about their skill. If they have letters from pleased students from their classes, well that too is a reference. If Someone is involved with BDSM in a community, their skill at certain activities tends to become well known in that group and if you are new to that activity you can ask someone from that group "who is really good at X" and get a reference.

For d/s it is a bit different, since it is more mental skills than physical skills, but that doesn't change the fact that you can still ask around for someone that is good in this time of d/s topping or bottoming as a learning experience. It's not all about loving, committed life time relationships for everyone.




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