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RE: Obama does the right thing - 2/4/2009 7:27:36 PM   
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I admire a man who can admit his mistakes.How refreshing after 8 years of cool-aid laced dribble.

There may be another failed nomination soon.You heard it here 1st.

http://www.boston.com/news/politics/politicalintelligence/2009/02/white_house_def.html

The guy Obama picked for Commerce Secretary`s top staffer "F",is linked to Todd Boulanger,who`s facing 500 years in his Jack Abormoff/GOP/influence peddling trial.They say he`s "talking".

I`m starting to believe the folks that say everyone in DC has a criminal taint or "pals around" with criminals.

I wonder if the cons in congress will give their buddy a pass on that doozy.

Probably.

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RE: Obama does the right thing - 2/4/2009 8:43:32 PM   
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Gosh - am I cynical, or what? 

Here we have President Obama's supporters, oohing and aahing over his admitting a mistake. He did a baaad thing, but isn't it cute - 'cause he's fessing up.

George never admitted to a mistake - that makes this wonderful...



It seems a tad bit constructed. But I'm to the point where I've got to admit, this Obama guy is good.

Selling ice to Eskimos good. Even better than that...


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ORIGINAL: Vendaval

I do not expect any leader or elected representative to be perfect or flawless in their decision making.  But this is the first time some of this stature has admitted making a mistake publically in a long, long time.  Part of learning is being able to learn from your mistakes.  Good for President Obama.


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However, going by memory alone, this is the first one where the 'buck stops here' card was played. "I screwed up" should have been on a handy cue card for the Oval office since 1984.  

President Obama said exactly that. He said what most of his supporters, especially those on CM, weren't willing to accept. Hell - that's worthy of a kudos right there, isn't it?



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RE: Obama does the right thing - 2/4/2009 8:55:31 PM   
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You are off the mark here on 2 counts.  Merc is not an Obama supporter.  And nobody is saying that making a mistake or owning up to it is "cute" but rather an improvement over many politicians. 

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RE: Obama does the right thing - 2/4/2009 9:02:14 PM   
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I know Merc isn't an Obama supporter, sorry for any confusion. I wasn't referring to him...

And sorry but I think that anything that comes out of any any of his orifices will be hailed as some kind of a holy movement, at least for a while.

The honeymoon could soon be over for him though - one never knows. Already cracks are beginning to surface, which are fairly obvious to the casual observer.


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You are off the mark here on 2 counts.  Merc is not an Obama supporter.  And nobody is saying that making a mistake or owning up to it is "cute" but rather an improvement over many politicians. 


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RE: Obama does the right thing - 2/4/2009 9:05:16 PM   
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Ah...even if someone can walk on water or turn water into wine they still have to put their pants on one leg at a time.

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RE: Obama does the right thing - 2/4/2009 9:06:24 PM   
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I admitted that he's smooth. You're not going to get a whole lot more than that out of me.

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Ah...even if someone can walk on water or turn water into wine they still have to put their pants on one leg at a time.


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RE: Obama does the right thing - 2/4/2009 9:09:27 PM   
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It was a reference to something my step-father used to say.  He had the G-rated version quoted above and the Adult version of, "We all come from the same hole". 

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RE: Obama does the right thing - 2/5/2009 1:11:58 AM   
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President Obama is taking more flack in 2 weeks than any other President that I have
seen in my lifetime.
I have stated I expect to NOT agree with all his decisions.
 
I am glad and proud of the fact that President Obama came forth and publically said he made a mistake.

After years of seeing his predecessor do hundreds of things that he should have apologized for and did not, I think President Obama certainly is on the right track!
 
 


It takes an exceptionally courageous (political) leader to do so. Especially in a political environment such as that of the US.

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RE: Obama does the right thing - 2/5/2009 7:26:45 AM   
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Obama is partly to blame for all of this mess.  He has about 5 or 6 now that have tax problems, i.e., not paying them.  His staff is not doing him any favors.  They are not looking deep enough and the candidates he is picking are not being honest with him or the Amercian people. 
If I was Obama I would be chewing some major ass.  This makes him look bad, which it should.  I think he has had more controversey trying to get a staff together than any other president.  Maybe he will eventually get it right.

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RE: Obama does the right thing - 2/5/2009 7:40:58 AM   
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Looks to me like the "new vetting" is working, a bit slow but ...I think it should be extended to alll major players, and until all vetting is done, nothing should be released, but that of course would be wrong to.
but I havnt been able to find any other information on other government appointees, I do not buy that its only the libs. Just that the vetting processi s more stringent than before

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RE: Obama does the right thing - 2/5/2009 8:59:40 AM   
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Ah...even if someone can walk on water or turn water into wine they still have to put their pants on one leg at a time.

Well we had one person that could do just that, you see what "they" did to him??


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RE: Obama does the right thing - 2/5/2009 9:05:36 AM   
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try 2 years ago????

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2007/01/10/AR2007011002731.html

"Where mistakes have been made, the responsibility rests with me," he told the nation. "It is clear that we need to change our strategy in Iraq." He added that generals have "reviewed the new Iraqi plan to ensure that it addressed these mistakes" and "they report that it does."A chart released by the White House before Bush's "Way Forward" speech went even further, outlining a succession of basic assumptions made in the past about Iraq that as of yesterday it has disavowed -- including the notion that building a democracy would defuse the insurgency and bring down violence. It was the sort of chart Bush's critics might have put together, not a White House traditionally loath to admit mistakes.


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I'm also relieved that President Obama did the right thing in this case but I'm a bit apprehensive as to the reason why. Initially he came out and said he stood by his man Daschle, knowing full well that Daschle was unethical.

From here, it looks like the decision may have been purely for political expedience - President Obama threw Daschle under the bus because he had become a liability.



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Sanity, I don't know how far you have to go back to find an example of one Presidential decision that wasn't made with some big portion of "political expedience". However, going by memory alone, this is the first one where the 'buck stops here' card was played. "I screwed up" should have been on a handy cue card for the Oval office since 1984.  

President Obama said exactly that. He said what most of his supporters, especially those on CM, weren't willing to accept. Hell - that's worthy of a kudos right there, isn't it?



Rememberthe President's farewell address?

"There is legitimate debate about many of these decisions, but there can be little debate about the results.
 
Like all who have held this office before me, I have experienced setbacks and there are things I would do differently, if given the chance.
Yet, I've always acted with the best interests of our country in mind. I have followed my conscience and done what I thought was right. You may not agree with some tough decisions I have made, but I hope you can agree that I was willing to make the tough decisions. "


not one apology or mention of any wrong doing...I know the guy is gone.  But is it not refreshing to hear someone finally accept some form of responsibility for their actions?

Obama has a long way to go.  he will experience many set backs as well successes. Just seems that if you are going to pick on something, make it something of relevance.  Winter storms and throwing Daschle "under the bus" do not quite make the grade.

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RE: Obama does the right thing - 2/5/2009 9:07:32 AM   
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"Where mistakes have been made, the responsibility rests with me," he told the nation. "It is clear that we need to change our strategy in Iraq." He added that generals have "reviewed the new Iraqi plan to ensure that it addressed these mistakes" and "they report that it does."A chart released by the White House before Bush's "Way Forward" speech went even further, outlining a succession of basic assumptions made in the past about Iraq that as of yesterday it has disavowed -- including the notion that building a democracy would defuse the insurgency and bring down violence. It was the sort of chart Bush's critics might have put together, not a White House traditionally loath to admit mistakes.http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2007/01/10/AR2007011002731.html



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ORIGINAL: corysub

"Obama does the right things"!!

Did he resign?  I missed the bulletin.


...oh, i can see the problem. Cory, i know this is a new thing and you may have overlooked it. It's called, "holding your hand up when you make a mistake". Yes, i know.....it's very novel. The last eight years haven't prepared you for such a concept. However, i believe it's actually a traditional thing for presidents to do....it's sometimes referred to as 'the buck stops here'. Unlike the last eight years when the mantra was 'the buck stops there....or there...or Iraq'.


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RE: Obama does the right thing - 2/5/2009 9:12:16 AM   
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never is so easy to disprove

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2007/01/10/AR2007011002731.html



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ORIGINAL: Sanity


Gosh - am I cynical, or what? 

Here we have President Obama's supporters, oohing and aahing over his admitting a mistake. He did a baaad thing, but isn't it cute - 'cause he's fessing up.

George never admitted to a mistake - that makes this wonderful...



It seems a tad bit constructed. But I'm to the point where I've got to admit, this Obama guy is good.

Selling ice to Eskimos good. Even better than that...


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ORIGINAL: Vendaval

I do not expect any leader or elected representative to be perfect or flawless in their decision making.  But this is the first time some of this stature has admitted making a mistake publically in a long, long time.  Part of learning is being able to learn from your mistakes.  Good for President Obama.


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ORIGINAL: Mercnbeth
However, going by memory alone, this is the first one where the 'buck stops here' card was played. "I screwed up" should have been on a handy cue card for the Oval office since 1984.  

President Obama said exactly that. He said what most of his supporters, especially those on CM, weren't willing to accept. Hell - that's worthy of a kudos right there, isn't it?



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RE: Obama does the right thing - 2/5/2009 9:18:09 AM   
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talk about redundant
meatwad wants his brain back



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RE: Obama does the right thing - 2/5/2009 9:19:10 AM   
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Bush has many times admited mistakes.   Just his critics would want him to repeat the same words over and over again every time he went to a microphone.

http://www.rollingstone.com/nationalaffairs/index.php/2006/05/26/stop-the-presses-bush-admits-mistakes/
Bush Admits Mistakes5/26/06, 3:19 pm EST Shocking: Q: Could I ask you which missteps and mistakes of your own you most regret? PRESIDENT BUSH: Saying “bring it on,” kind of tough talk, you know, that sent the wrong signal to people. I learned some lessons about expressing myself maybe in a little more sophisticated manner — you know, “wanted dead or alive,” that kind of talk. I think in certain parts of the world it was misinterpreted, and so I learned from that. And I think the biggest mistake that’s happened so far, at least from our country’s involvement in Iraq is Abu Ghraib. We’ve been paying for that for a long period of time. Tim Dickinson


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RE: Obama does the right thing - 2/5/2009 9:21:25 AM   
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true i could have used another story proving the same point but i got a bit lazy and since both worked...lol

heres a 2006 story
http://www.rollingstone.com/nationalaffairs/index.php/2006/05/26/stop-the-presses-bush-admits-mistakes/





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talk about redundant
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RE: Obama does the right thing - 2/5/2009 9:24:00 AM   
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how about 2005
http://www.seeingtheforest.com/archives/2005/12/bush_admits_mis.htm


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RE: Obama does the right thing - 2/5/2009 9:27:09 AM   
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also in 2004 too

http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2004/aug/28/iraq.usa1
Bush admits mistake over Iraq Julian Borger in Washington guardian.co.uk, Saturday 28 August 2004 02.33 BST

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RE: Obama does the right thing - 2/5/2009 9:42:08 AM   
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Bush has many times admited mistakes.   Just his critics would want him to repeat the same words over and over again every time he went to a microphone.

http://www.rollingstone.com/nationalaffairs/index.php/2006/05/26/stop-the-presses-bush-admits-mistakes/
Bush Admits Mistakes5/26/06, 3:19 pm EST Shocking: Q: Could I ask you which missteps and mistakes of your own you most regret? PRESIDENT BUSH: Saying “bring it on,” kind of tough talk, you know, that sent the wrong signal to people. I learned some lessons about expressing myself maybe in a little more sophisticated manner — you know, “wanted dead or alive,” that kind of talk. I think in certain parts of the world it was misinterpreted, and so I learned from that. And I think the biggest mistake that’s happened so far, at least from our country’s involvement in Iraq is Abu Ghraib. We’ve been paying for that for a long period of time. Tim Dickinson


"And I think the biggest mistake that's happened so far..."
Look up "weasel words". That sentence is devoid of an actor, and mistakes don't happen by themselves. Just more Bush weaseling. What a dirtbag.

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