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RE: How do you turn soduim amounts, from mg's to a conc... - 2/5/2009 11:09:55 AM   
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Status: offline 		See to me that just kind of honestly blows my mind. Sugar is bad for you, if you're trying to manage pre diabetis or full blown,,  but  I think and it's probably a flaw in my thinking, that things like bell peppers and apples should be a healthy ok thing to eat, After all just about every one and your doctor to boot will tell you to eat fruits and veggies and how we're supposed to get something like 8 servings a day, optimally.

However I guess, all fruits and veggies are not equal, if you have health problems.
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You've mentioned being diabetic or something in a few threads, so keep in mind that bell peppers have high sugar contents, as do carrots. While they're better for you than things like cake and candy, you should try sticking to dark leafy greens and brocolli, etc.

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RE: How do you turn soduim amounts, from mg's to a conc... - 2/5/2009 11:11:37 AM   
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but I am not going to pretend pizza and mac and cheese are healthy. Or good for us,

while they are not the healthiest things you can eat. they can be part of a meal... with moderation as the key.






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RE: How do you turn soduim amounts, from mg's to a conc... - 2/5/2009 1:23:21 PM   
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For instance how many table spoons full of salt is 620 MG's of sodium?


With the metric system you want to be careful with your capitalisation because 620 Mg of salt is a hell of a lot of salt, 620 mg on the other hand...
 m and M (or for example better bit or Byte) differences are only in the computer world cause for confusion. Can't think any thing like this in weight.

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RE: How do you turn soduim amounts, from mg's to a conc... - 2/5/2009 3:00:04 PM   
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m and M (or for example better bit or Byte) differences are only in the computer world cause for confusion. Can't think any thing like this in weight.

It's confusing in science and engineering, too.

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RE: How do you turn soduim amounts, from mg's to a conc... - 2/5/2009 3:20:35 PM   
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Status: offline 		Great question, YHMA.  I looked at the link Kirata added, and there was a chart of sorts at the bottom describing 500 mgs of sodium, as a half teaspoon of salt.  I think that's a pretty good way to quickly convert mgs to an actual salt amount that you can picture in reality.  I actually had never known how to convert that either.  It's also hard to fathom the amount of sugar in something as well, which I think is usually measured in grams on the labels ( I guess metrics were never my strength lol). 

When my daughter was in grammar school, they had a big poster hanging up in the nurse's office, and there were pictures of certain foods on the chart, and next to each picture were actual sugar cubes glued to the poster in a horizontal line depicting the number of sugar cubes in, say, a can of soda, a yogurt, a candy bar, whatever, and it was mind-blowing to actually "see" the amounts of sugar in certain foods.


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RE: How do you turn soduim amounts, from mg's to a conc... - 2/5/2009 3:23:07 PM   
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but I am not going to pretend pizza and mac and cheese are healthy. Or good for us,

while they are not the healthiest things you can eat. they can be part of a meal... with moderation as the key.







I don't get it.  Did the punch line escape me?

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RE: How do you turn soduim amounts, from mg's to a conc... - 2/5/2009 3:28:34 PM   
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ee to me that just kind of honestly blows my mind. Sugar is bad for you, if you're trying to manage pre diabetis or full blown,, but I think and it's probably a flaw in my thinking, that things like bell peppers and apples should be a healthy ok thing to eat,
Sugars are carbohydrates. There are Two basic kinds of carbs: Complex and refined.

Complex carbs are simple carbs and these are the carbs you want. Veggies and fruits, whole grain pastas, etc.

Refined carbs are the trouble makers.

A rule of thumb that some use...the more hands that touch a product, the more refined the carb and the worse it is. Take two different carbs: an orange and a cupcake. How many hands touch the orange before you eat it. One to pick it and one to peel it. So using this simple theory, it is a good complex (good carb).
Now the cupcake...hands to make the ingredients, hands to mix and bake it, hands to mix the frosting....too many hands equal a refined (bad) carb.


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RE: How do you turn soduim amounts, from mg's to a conc... - 2/5/2009 3:42:22 PM   
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Complex carbs are simple carbs ...



I can see how she gets confused.

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RE: How do you turn soduim amounts, from mg's to a conc... - 2/5/2009 4:23:05 PM   
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Status: offline 		But see bell peppers are a veggie, or a fruit, and apples are a fruit and someone just said people with pre diabeties to full blown diabeties  should stay away from bell peppers.

I am trying to eat apples and bell peppers and well fruits and veggies in general everyday because every one says they're healthy. But then you get people saying apples and bell peppers have a high amount  of sugar don't eat them.

So who's right, the people who  say veggies and fruit are healthy eats lots of it, or the people who say some like apples, you shouldn't eat because they're high in sugar.

I'm also signed up for a diabetis the basics nutrition class on monday, so hopefully I will get straitend out some on what;s ok for a prediabetic and what's not.
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ee to me that just kind of honestly blows my mind. Sugar is bad for you, if you're trying to manage pre diabetis or full blown,, but I think and it's probably a flaw in my thinking, that things like bell peppers and apples should be a healthy ok thing to eat,
Sugars are carbohydrates. There are Two basic kinds of carbs: Complex and refined.

Complex carbs are simple carbs and these are the carbs you want. Veggies and fruits, whole grain pastas, etc.

Refined carbs are the trouble makers.

A rule of thumb that some use...the more hands that touch a product, the more refined the carb and the worse it is. Take two different carbs: an orange and a cupcake. How many hands touch the orange before you eat it. One to pick it and one to peel it. So using this simple theory, it is a good complex (good carb).
Now the cupcake...hands to make the ingredients, hands to mix and bake it, hands to mix the frosting....too many hands equal a refined (bad) carb.


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RE: How do you turn soduim amounts, from mg's to a conc... - 2/5/2009 4:54:43 PM   
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But see bell peppers are a veggie, or a fruit, and apples are a fruit and someone just said people with pre diabeties to full blown diabeties  should stay away from bell peppers.

I am trying to eat apples and bell peppers and well fruits and veggies in general everyday because every one says they're healthy. But then you get people saying apples and bell peppers have a high amount  of sugar don't eat them.

So who's right, the people who  say veggies and fruit are healthy eats lots of it, or the people who say some like apples, you shouldn't eat because they're high in sugar.

I'm also signed up for a diabetis the basics nutrition class on monday, so hopefully I will get straitend out some on what;s ok for a prediabetic and what's not.


No one is saying don't eat them. You should be eating them, but in moderation like everything else (with the exception of dark leafy greens, those are good to eat at any opportunity). You should be eating balanced meals consisting of whole grains, vegetables, and protein, (easy example; A peanut butter sandwich, made with homemade peanut butter, since store bought is pretty much icing, on sprouted grain bread, with a salad)but diabetics need to be careful about the amount of carbs/sugar they eat, regardless of what kind of carb/sugar it is.

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RE: How do you turn soduim amounts, from mg's to a conc... - 2/5/2009 5:25:44 PM   
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Status: offline 		I must really be a funny duck.  (hey!  no laughing!  I hear you there in the Peanut Gallery.)  I do not use salt on anything.  Except on a baked potato.  If you are addicted to salt, try using a spice blend instead to season food - like 'Mrs. Dash' or 'Emeril's'.  But read the label, because there will probably be some salt in those mixes.  If you must use salt, try sea salt.  I hear it has less sodium than regular table salt.  You will probably have to grind it yourself, as it comes in much larger grains than table salt.  A pepper mill should work fine for that. 

When you cook something in boiling water (pasta, veggies, oatmeal, etc.) and the directions tell you to add salt to the cooking water, don't.  It serves no purpose other than to lower the boiling point of the water so it will boil faster.  You'll never notice any difference in the taste.

I am certainly no expert on diabetes, nor do I claim to be.  If you are concerned about your blood sugar levels fluctuating, take cinnamon.  It will help keep them evened out.  About 1/4 teaspoon a day is all you need, though I can't imagine that more than that would hurt you.  Sprinkle it on oatmeal (without adding any sugar), mix it in unsweetened applesauce, wherever you like.  If you'd rather take it in supplement form,  1,000 mg a day is the recommended amount.  I take my cinnamom in two 500mg capsules.  And I also sprinkle it on foods.

Someone mentioned using canned veggies over frozen ones.  Check the label on the cans, as there will most likely be salt added to them, as a preservative.  I always use frozen veggies over canned, as they taste waaaaaay better.   Think of it this way - frozen peas are a deep, rich, bright green color.  And what color are canned peas?  Olive drab, nasty, sorta greenish in color.  If it don't 'look' right, it ain't gonna taste right.

I truly hope that I never develope diabetes.  To have no choice but to use artificial sweeteners scares me silly.  Not only having to deal with that horrible, disgusting aftertaste, but to 'knowingly' put something into my body that is carcinogenic????  Oh, HELLLLLLLL  no!!!!!!! 



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RE: How do you turn soduim amounts, from mg's to a conc... - 2/5/2009 5:37:47 PM   
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But see bell peppers are a veggie, or a fruit, and apples are a fruit and someone just said people with pre diabeties to full blown diabeties  should stay away from bell peppers.

I am trying to eat apples and bell peppers and well fruits and veggies in general everyday because every one says they're healthy. But then you get people saying apples and bell peppers have a high amount  of sugar don't eat them.

So who's right, the people who  say veggies and fruit are healthy eats lots of it, or the people who say some like apples, you shouldn't eat because they're high in sugar.

I'm also signed up for a diabetis the basics nutrition class on monday, so hopefully I will get straitend out some on what;s ok for a prediabetic and what's not.


No one is saying don't eat them. You should be eating them, but in moderation like everything else (with the exception of dark leafy greens, those are good to eat at any opportunity). You should be eating balanced meals consisting of whole grains, vegetables, and protein, (easy example; A peanut butter sandwich, made with homemade peanut butter, since store bought is pretty much icing, on sprouted grain bread, with a salad)but diabetics need to be careful about the amount of carbs/sugar they eat, regardless of what kind of carb/sugar it is.

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RE: How do you turn soduim amounts, from mg's to a conc... - 2/5/2009 6:35:15 PM   
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Status: offline 		I don't know what you're numbers are, but you've been given ample sites and suggestions for how to measure sodium in your diet.  Follow your Dr's directions, is best...but one of the links you've been given in this thread gives you the general daily requirements you should be taking.  As far as green peppers, apples, oranges, and all kinds of other fruits.  Yes, they have vitamins, fiber and good stuff...along with fructose.  In other words sugar.  Moderation will always be the key.  And if you are in a pre-diabetic stage, you need to keep close attention to your numbers, monitor yourself and throw moderation away until those number come down into a normal range.  Be STRICT on yourself, until they come down.  I've known a few good friends, aside from a sister, who died of complications of diabetes.  It's not pretty.  And another thing that will help you, almost better than a diet is to not eat after 7 PM or so, at nights.  I know we've all heard it before, but not eating at night keeps your glycemic level in check, which is another good thing for diabetes.  Check out the site www.lef.org and look up diabetes on the site.  Look up obesity.  Get on the web and start researching about your health and how to better it.  Or wish you did, as you fall apart in your upcoming older years. 

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RE: How do you turn soduim amounts, from mg's to a conc... - 2/5/2009 6:42:31 PM   
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Status: offline 		Here is a link that will teach you a bit about diabetes.  http://www.lef.org/protocols/metabolic_health/diabetes_01.htm
The internet is a fabulous source for finding out about sodium, sugar, carbs and other contents in foods.  Start thinking of how to make it work for you.  Good luck! 

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RE: How do you turn soduim amounts, from mg's to a conc... - 2/5/2009 11:25:46 PM   
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When you cook something in boiling water (pasta, veggies, oatmeal, etc.) and the directions tell you to add salt to the cooking water, don't.  It serves no purpose other than to lower the boiling point of the water so it will boil faster.  You'll never notice any difference in the taste.
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Someone mentioned using canned veggies over frozen ones. 


The boiling point of water rises, not lowers if you add salt. The water boils later.
And for there not being any taste difference, I would beg to differ. You might not taste a difference, but I, and many others, surely do. Yes, in a blind test, too. So no placebo effect.


And I think that the recommendation was for frozen over canned.
I would even suggest frozen over "fresh" in many cases, as it is difficult to know how long this fresh veggies have been hanging around since harvest, and frozen are prepared immediately after harvesting.


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RE: How do you turn soduim amounts, from mg's to a conc... - 2/6/2009 12:46:23 AM   
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be aware of eating to much. But how much is to much, 2 a day 3 a day? 1 a week?

Here  ya go...this is why you need a nutrition class. I think it is great that you signed up for one.


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RE: How do you turn soduim amounts, from mg's to a conc... - 2/6/2009 1:02:44 AM   
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Status: offline 		It is really great that you will be taking a nutrition class.  And you have great advice from several people here.  High blood pressure runs in my family and I have to be very careful with sodium intake.
 
In the spice aisle of the supermarket you will see a seasoning blend called Mrs. Dash.  I use the Original Blend or Table Blend for vegetables and egg dishes and one of the Grilling Blends for meats and poultry.  The other product line is mariande sauces but I have not tried those yet.

http://www.mrsdash.com/products/seasoning-blends.aspx


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RE: How do you turn soduim amounts, from mg's to a conc... - 2/6/2009 1:48:54 AM   
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he other product line is mariande sauces but I have not tried those yet.


the Mesquite is really good

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RE: How do you turn soduim amounts, from mg's to a conc... - 2/6/2009 2:19:09 AM   
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RE: How do you turn soduim amounts, from mg's to a conc... - 2/6/2009 1:16:35 PM   
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, monitor yourself and throw moderation away until those number come down into a normal range.  Be STRICT on yourself, until they come down. 

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