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Singletail whip question - 1/14/2006 9:24:03 AM   
watchersgirl


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Status: offline 		Actually it's more a question of the whip in use. I've never experienced one, and so far, I'm not planning to! (More of a thud girl myself. :-) ) But I'm writing a story, and would like to make the description accurate. I know whips move blindingly fast. But can anyone give me a kind of slo-mo description of the *shape* of the whip once it's left the starting gates, as it were? Does it arch? Is it straight or arched when it strikes the bottom's back? That kind of thing. I'd be most grateful. Sometimes imagination is enough to write about things you've never experienced (I had a m/m kinky story published, and apparently I got it right. :-) ) But this is something I really don't know enough to imagine and I'd like to get it right. Thanks very much in advance!

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RE: Singletail whip question - 1/14/2006 10:46:04 AM   
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Status: offline 		what kind of whip are you talking about... a simple 4 foot or are you thinking a 16 foot+. thou the techinques are somewhat the same... as you go longer or shorter... it does change the functionality of them significantly.

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RE: Singletail whip question - 1/14/2006 10:47:58 AM   
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Status: offline 		I have never used or had a single tail used on me, so I can't offer much in the way of description. I have watched it used several times by someone who is excellent at it. How the whip moves I couldn't say, but the way he uses it is almost like a dance. His movements and the whips are so fluid and seamless that it is incredible to watch. I like thuddy pain as well, but watching this person use a single tail makes me want to try it...

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RE: Singletail whip question - 1/14/2006 11:01:38 AM   
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Status: offline 		i have been on the recieving end of the single tail - and if the one is control of it has the experience that is needed - it is a waltz of original design. the distance between the giver and the reciever becomes the dance floor. it is not about who can crack the loudest or hit the hardest. it is about the control of the whip - being able to kiss the flesh as if it were a feather and in the next breath, bring fire in its touch. if the one who controls it can caress you with the waltz, have you move in for the connect, have you begging for more at the same time your mind swirls into bliss......

hope that helps...

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RE: Singletail whip question - 1/14/2006 11:02:22 AM   
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Status: offline 		i have absolutely no experience with a single tail. All i know is they're incredibly dangerous and one should not attempt usage of it with out great expertise. i know John wrote a story on using one.. you could prolly search it out. What i learned from his story is that if one is being used. You do NOT move. As in moving just slightly could land the single tail in a very bad spot or it could cut through the flesh.

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RE: Singletail whip question - 1/14/2006 12:18:46 PM   
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Status: offline 		I have never personally used a single tail on a person. I have had the privilege of watching a very skilled woman wield such a whip. It's an art and it's practitioners are artists. The longer whips make a beautiful "S" curve when being struck in the air. The shorter whips are simply snakelike in movement. How they look as they are striking flesh, I can't tell you, I was too caught up in the beauty of the moment and the connection between Mistress and slave to watch the whip....

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RE: Singletail whip question - 1/14/2006 12:35:45 PM   
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quote:

Actually it's more a question of the whip in use. I've never experienced one, and so far, I'm not planning to! (More of a thud girl myself. :-) ) But I'm writing a story, and would like to make the description accurate. I know whips move blindingly fast. But can anyone give me a kind of slo-mo description of the *shape* of the whip once it's left the starting gates, as it were? Does it arch? Is it straight or arched when it strikes the bottom's back? That kind of thing. I'd be most grateful. Sometimes imagination is enough to write about things you've never experienced (I had a m/m kinky story published, and apparently I got it right. :-) ) But this is something I really don't know enough to imagine and I'd like to get it right. Thanks very much in advance!



Depends on what kind of single tail (snake? signal? bull? how long?) Probably one of the more commonly used types is a 3 or 4 foot signal whip, if that's helpful. I tend to use a 3 foot in a living room or party setting for the obvious reason that you don't need as much room to throw it, but prefer the flow of a 4 foot; it doesn't come back at me quite as quickly. At 5'6, I'm of a height that I can switch between the two. A 4 foot will lightly dust the ceiling and floor when I use it in a room with average-height ceilings.

Over the years one of the best descriptions I've heard of the feel of it was "HOT RAIN".

It might behoove you to get a lesson or two from someone to feel how a single tail throws - that's probably the best way to learn to describe it. They're actually not *that* difficult to learn how to use, but it does take dedicated, regular practice.

If you have specfic questions you want to ask, feel free to email me. I'm not an expert but I have been using a number of different single tails for years.

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RE: Singletail whip question - 1/14/2006 1:39:17 PM   
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Status: offline 		Being a scientist and kinky, I've looked into this. I can describe how the whip cracks. Describing is much easier than doing for me at thie point!

When you flick your wrist (and the whip), you create a loop that travels down the whip. The speed with which this loop travels is based on the thickness of the whip. So, as the loop travels toward the thinner end, it travels faster. When it rolls off the end, the cracker of the whip is traveling faster than the speed of sound. The crack we hear is a small sonic boom.

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RE: Singletail whip question - 1/14/2006 1:50:52 PM   
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Status: offline 		I prefer an 8’ bullwhip myself (not for slave use but for my own enjoyment and exercise as well as crowd control ). This whip when used straight up and down, diagonally and horizontally (around the head) seems to snake out and unfold until the end when it strikes and cracks. One of the best pieces of film footage I can think of, is near the end of the film “Underworld” where one of the Vampyres is standing in water and using a bull whip in either hand.

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RE: Singletail whip question - 1/14/2006 1:57:05 PM   
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ORIGINAL: MistressFire70

Being a scientist and kinky, I've looked into this. I can describe how the whip cracks. Describing is much easier than doing for me at thie point!

When you flick your wrist (and the whip), you create a loop that travels down the whip. The speed with which this loop travels is based on the thickness of the whip. So, as the loop travels toward the thinner end, it travels faster. When it rolls off the end, the cracker of the whip is traveling faster than the speed of sound. The crack we hear is a small sonic boom.

Fire


it should be noted that a well made whip actually has the loop within it (hense why whips natural curl)... that works with the force of the cast and cause the crack more so than just the flick of the wrist.

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RE: Singletail whip question - 1/14/2006 4:18:20 PM   
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Status: offline 		i do know someone who is very good with a singletail, i know personally because i have felt it. He knows i'm not into any real pain and so He went easy with me. To be honest i liked it. Now if He had let it all out and the intent was to cause pain i might not have, but He knew what He was doing and was able to control the intensity of it. It does feel like hot rain, don't know who used that descriptor but it is apt. i recently had an opportunity to watch Him try and teach someone how to use it correctly. In a way it reminds me of bowling because you have to keep the wrist straight. He mentioned using, and controlling, the momentum of the whip and not hurling it. When bringing your arm down not doing a follow through but keeping the wrist straight and stopping quickly when the forearm is about parrallel with the floor. He also mentioned that the whip should uncurl towards the mark and not arch.
Watching Him with the singletail is like watching poetry in motion.
If you have other questions just message me and i'll personally ask Him for you.

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RE: Singletail whip question - 1/14/2006 11:44:34 PM   
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ORIGINAL: watchersgirl

.... can anyone give me a kind of slo-mo description of the *shape* of the whip once it's left the starting gates, as it were? Does it arch? Is it straight or arched when it strikes the bottom's back? That kind of thing. I'd be most grateful.


I'm with IronBear on this one... If you don't own it, rent Underworld and watch the whip scene. Also check out the recent Zorro movie with Anthony Hopkins. IIRC Robert Dante` taught Sir Anthony how to use the singletail. Gotta love slow-mo and frame by frame advance... you can watch the whip movement in detail. If you REALLY want to learn about it, get one of the teaching videos by Robert Dante' or Bob Deegan. They are both Masters of the whip and excellent instructors. I'm sure you find that these resources will give your description of the motion great versimillitude.

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RE: Singletail whip question - 1/15/2006 11:55:34 AM   
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ORIGINAL: RiotGirl

i have absolutely no experience with a single tail. All i know is they're incredibly dangerous and one should not attempt usage of it with out great expertise. i know John wrote a story on using one.. you could prolly search it out. What i learned from his story is that if one is being used. You do NOT move. As in moving just slightly could land the single tail in a very bad spot or it could cut through the flesh.



Yes, they're dangerous. But, in most use, not as dangerous as all that.

The handle-end is actually more dangerous than the cracker-end. And is fun to use, too :)

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RE: Singletail whip question - 1/15/2006 8:45:26 PM   
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Status: offline 		How do you learn how to use whips

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Not being a masochist, I actually get BORED when all they do is the flashy feather touching stuff. I don't mind being used for target practice, but yeesh, give me something to react to.

Also find it funny when they try and crack it near my ear to make me jump since I'm fairly immune to it at this point.

Kinda like with knife play when all they do is just graze over the skin and make asinine comments about accidentally cutting off a nipple.

I generally don't brag about being a difficult or heavy bottom, but I crave intensity.

The whip is a fabulous tool however for having an immense range of sensations and uses.

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RE: Singletail whip question - 1/15/2006 10:23:55 PM   
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Status: offline 		You've recieved a couple of good answers here already however the physics behind a whip cracking is the same reguardless of the type or length of the whip used, you impart the curl into the whip and that curl travels down the whip like a wave, when it reaches the end centrifical force causes the speed to increase until it exceeds 700 (app speed of sound) MPH. Now there are other things that length does effect but the physics of the crack and the cause of it is not one of them.

Also when thrown with perfect form the strength required to get a crack is minimal perfect form will give you a more efficient use of energy and with none wasted the crack happens , sloppy form wastes the energy and thus more initial energy is required to get the crack.

Differences I can give you between whip styles are mostly in the timming of when you break your wrist to impart the curl at the right moment so the throw is efficient in energy.
The longer the whip the later you break the wrist and the slower you can afford to make that snap of the wrist and still get the crack. The longer the handle of the whip (ie a 6" handle on a bullwhip vs. a 12" handle ona bullwhip) makes the lever effect of the handle more efficient and thus requires less muscel energy to get the same crack.

The advantage of a short whip over a long is the follow through after the throw is shorter and thus easier to get accurate with. If you throw a 8 ft whip there is a significant followthrough time during which if you drop your arm or twist your wrist it will effect where the tip ends it's journey. Although tougher to master a long whip the payoffs are easy to recognize, more ways to have the tip move once you learn it.
Learn to followthrough with twists and turns and such and you have more potential ways to have the tip strike at your disposal.

OK so much for the whip lesson, LOL

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RE: Singletail whip question - 1/16/2006 8:55:09 AM   
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RE: Singletail whip question - 1/16/2006 6:34:06 PM   
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Status: offline 		well, i've seen a couple of detailed responses about throwing the whip, and a couple of vague responses about feeling the whip...heres my take on feeling the whip and its different strike styles and different styles of whip...grab a caramel or whatever tickles your pickle...

strike styles...by what i call em, call em what you will

  • cracking: as previously mentioned it is the whispy making the noise by the body, ocassionally you will feel the wind from the crack of the whip...actually takes a lot more skill imho, because you have to put it at precisely the right postition to not strike but be close enough the body can feel particles of air move around the cracker of the whip...
  • popping: what most people do...simply laying anywhere from the very tip to a couple of inches of the cracker popping against your skin, and depending on the direction of the strike it feels like it either curls up against the skin or lays flat across flesh...generally it feels like a little sting to a huge sting...but rather than the resonating thud i associate with a cane, there is a lack of something, kind of like when you just put out fire and theres still the heat but not the burning...
  • laying: this is actually my favorite type of strike with wrapping coming a very close second, but not many people can wrap successfully, anyway, this is where you lay more of the whip on the skin than the cracker, extremely painful, again imho, the whip is not going nearly the speed required to pop or it would severely cut the skin...it is much more like a cane than any other style, but the whip molds to your body and is in turn much more intense...too me it feels like someone lit a line of fire across my body then beat it out precisely on that line...there is an intense sting and thud at the same time...done right an orgasm every time...
  • wrapping: the one i have experienced the least because i only know two Masters who can do it properly...basically the whip wraps around you and the cracker pops against your skin...depending on how fast they throw it, it can be just a highly erotic experience or a highly painful one...when it is thrown faster it curls tighter around your body resulting in a laying effect, usually around your torso...then the whip is allowed to go slack before the whipper pulls back, sometimes having to unstick the whip from a sweaty body...which can be an experience in and of itself...one particular wrapping experience stands out from all of the single tails i have felt...in which he wrapped it just so around my body so that it did not touch my torso but layed against the bottom of my breasts and the cracker popped against my nipple...(thank you Master Steven)...this can be difficult to adapt to different whipee's because of the simple fact that i am twice as big around as a lil bitty slip of a thing...while i wouldn't recomend whipping anyone until you are very proficient at getting a target that sits still in the right spot every time, i wouldn't suggest that you perform this or laying until you become an expert at doing so as the results can be very dangerous....


styles of whip...much more brief...don't know much about handles but ones with solid handles seem to be thrown much more precisely but less fluidly than those with flexible handle...long ones (10ft+) are better for wrapping and decorative throwing but much harder to control, as you must move them much slower to compensate for the time it takes the wave to travel the length of the whip....short ones (3 to 4 ft) are good for cracking and popping, but also may create some akwardness in social settings for my whip is bigger than yours arguments...seriously tho, they are ok, i have had a very intense scene where a Master did rythmic whipping on my back with two 4ft whips...that would leave the mid range (4.5ft to 9.5 ft) which i have probably had the most experience with...a particular 8 ft bullwhip comes into mind, and i would recomend about an 8 ft whip of any style to learn on simply because you can move up or down with length, easily adapting to shorter or longer with some practice...final option that i can think of cracker...obviously replaceable would be the best option for someone who plays with multiple people or who plays to the point of blood or plays enough for it to get frayed or whatever...but the most fun one i've experienced was one which had a cracker that was made out of a strip of leather about 8 or 10 inches...much like a mini strap moving at the speed of sound...ouch but splurt...comprable to the eperience of laying because tho its moving faster it is a flat strip of leather rather than a round braid... probably a tiny bit less intense because of the distribution...

anywho...just my $1.50 on the subject...take it or leave it, and, in case you couldn't tell i have little experience on the throwing end, with 99% of my experience on the whipped end...feel free to email me with any constructive comments or questions...press cancel after you finish typing out your flame...

take care
chelle

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RE: Singletail whip question - 1/18/2006 5:55:04 PM   
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Status: offline 		I use Singletals in scene also I am involved in sport cracking
they are great in the correct hands they can be used sensually to heavy depending the expierience of the top and how heavy the bottom is but in the wrong hands there can be alot of dammage inflicted to one and probably that bottom will never allow them to be used again!

If I had to choose between all the toys I have I would keep the whips for their vercitility
it was explained in an earlier post as to how the whip reacted
the whip is tapered and when a coil is thrown into it it will release its energy at the end if it is handled correctly it will disperce sound when the cracker reaches the sound barrier approximatly 1230 ft sec depending on altitude and other things long story and not going there at the moment
my sugestion is if you are interested in whip handling hook up with one of the local whip enthusiasts groups probably one in your area
Caution most of the classes are of a vinella setting but you can learn whip handling saftey whip care maintnence and the fun part cracking them
good luck on your quest
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