RE: Birthright to BDSM

Collarspace Discussion Forums

Home Login Search

RE: Birthright to BDSM

View related threads: (in this forum | in all forums)

Logged in as: Guest

All Forums >> [Community Discussions] >> General BDSM Discussion >> RE: Birthright to BDSM

Page: << < prev 1 [2]

Message

<< Older Topic Newer Topic >>

RE: Birthright to BDSM - 1/16/2006 9:44:29 AM

truesub4u

Posts: 2949
Joined: 11/17/2005
Status: offline

quote:

ORIGINAL: Padriag

quote:

ORIGINAL: truesub4u

Sounds like more internet bullshit to me, to be blunt. What is it about people who feel the need to dress what they do up in fancy frippery in order to justify it. I suppose insecurity... same as in the middle ages when some nobles began obsessing over bloodlines and proving their nobility by such because the were terrified someone was going to question their right to be a noble at all... they needed justification. I can hear it now... "oh I'm Mr Domly Dom because its my birthright and you all must recognize that because of my fine pedigree going back six generations in the lifestyle", said in my best snobbish accent. Someone hand me a ball bat, somebody needs their reality check.

Glad I didn't say it was my birth right Padriag. I said I seen it in another thread. And was questioning it myself.

(in reply to Padriag)

Profile

Post #: 21

RE: Birthright to BDSM - 1/16/2006 9:54:55 AM

RiotGirl

Posts: 3149
Status: offline

quote:

Unless of course you want to make a case for someone being dragged into it by force.

i can help but say it.. you know that'd be kind of kinky too = ) Gosh i could come up with TONS of little kinky story lines with that. Some rich snobby girl.. made into a dirty cum slut... oooooo what a turn on! Many many more. Thanks Padriag, you have improved my library....

(in reply to Padriag)

Profile

Post #: 22

RE: Birthright to BDSM - 1/16/2006 9:57:58 AM

mistoferin

Posts: 8284
Joined: 10/27/2004
Status: offline

quote:

I am leary anytime a person says that certain traits are "natural" to a person.

quote:

I realize that I am going to get flamed by a bunch of people chiming in with "I was born this way." and going on and on about their "natual submission." So before that happens, I would just like to point out how self-absorbed babies and children are - and the fact that they HAVE to be.

I am not going to flame you, you have as much right to your opinion as I or anyone else. But I will say that just because your reality may not include natural traits...that does not make them non-existant.

I was not one of those self-absorbed children you speak of....if I was I probably would not have begged my mother to help me find a way to get food to the children starving in Biafra at the age of 4...and most likely I would not have had my parents taking me to old age homes by the age of 5 so I could sing for the old folks and make them smile.

There are traits that are inherently natural. For me, aspects of my personality were there at birth. While they may have been nurtured into what they are today....there were still aspects of them that were always present. I was certainly born with the natural trait of being right handed.

Now birthright???....that is another thing. No I don't think that I have a birthright to submission....but a submissive, nurturing nature is most definitely something that I was blessed with....if not from birth, then from the earliest moments I could express that nature to someone through a touch or a gesture.

< Message edited by mistoferin -- 1/16/2006 9:59:27 AM >

_____________________________

Peace and light,
~erin~

There are no victims here...only volunteers.

When you make a habit of playing on the tracks, you thereby forfeit the right to bitch when you get hit by a train.

"I did it! I admit it and I'm gonna do it again!"

(in reply to LaMalinche)

Profile

Post #: 23

RE: Birthright to BDSM - 1/16/2006 10:00:06 AM

RiotGirl

Posts: 3149
Status: offline

quote:

I consider it an orientation, like being born homosexual.

oh and now that i'm past the kinkiness of it. i agree with LA and those that say its more or less dna/orientation

(in reply to LuckyAlbatross)

Profile

Post #: 24

RE: Birthright to BDSM - 1/16/2006 2:18:01 PM

amayos

Posts: 1553
Joined: 6/2/2004
From: New England
Status: offline

Submission/degradation can sometimes be viewed as a societal or social caste, an extreme example of which could be the orthodox Hindu culture (see the Untouchables http://www.ccds.charlotte.nc.us/History/India/04/ratcliffe/ ), but I fail to see where birthright or caste has anything to do with BDSM.

Using the term birthright hand in hand with "submissive" or "slave" seems incongruent when one reflects on the definition of the term. A birthright is essentially a particular right or privilege, ergo one arrives at the preposterous idea that one, by extension of this logic, would be privileged to be collared and humiliated (putting privilege in obviously the wrong hierarchal order).

I just think the choice of words is inaccurate. If a submissive being were to say submission is my calling or I was made to serve, I would fully understand.

< Message edited by amayos -- 1/16/2006 2:24:13 PM >

(in reply to truesub4u)

Profile

Post #: 25

RE: Birthright to BDSM - 1/16/2006 4:13:33 PM

thetammyjo

Posts: 6322
Joined: 9/8/2005
Status: offline

quote:

ORIGINAL: RiotGirl

quote:

I consider it an orientation, like being born homosexual.

oh and now that i'm past the kinkiness of it. i agree with LA and those that say its more or less dna/orientation

I consider being dominant and sadist my primary sexual orientation, even before being straight frankly. But if I hadn't had access to information about consent, safety, etc, I wouldn't know I was doing BDSM and might not be doing BDSM in fact. I could have just turned into a total bitch instead.

;-)

_____________________________

Love, Peace, Hugs, Kisses, Whips & Chains,

TammyJo

Check out my website at http://www.thetammyjo.com Or www.tammyjoeckhart.com

And my LJ where I post fiction in progress if you "friend" me at http://thetammyjo.livejournal.com/

(in reply to RiotGirl)

Profile

Post #: 26

RE: Birthright to BDSM - 1/16/2006 7:02:56 PM

Padriag

Posts: 2633
Joined: 3/30/2005
Status: offline

quote:

ORIGINAL: EvilGeoff

Padriag, you have an inimitable style all your own! I much appreciate the way you share your feelings.

I echo your sentiments, that those who try hardest to establish their "pedigree" are perhaps those least secure in their own skins.

Hehe... thanks. I'm just me, wouldn't know who else to be. I tend to be honest to a fault at times, sometimes too much so for my own good, but that too is just me.

I can understand some feeling a little insecure, especially when new. A new dominant gets hit with a lot of responsbilities right from the start. Take a look at all the threads talking about the importance of being responsible, being competent, knowledgeable, etc and you can see how it could intimidate a new dominant. Then again, I've often been of the opinion that someone who genuinely was dominant in personality (as opposed to being a "Dom") wouldn't be so easily intimidated by a few challenges. I'm sure not everyone will agree with that, and that too can be telling.

But as you say, it comes down to taking responsibility for who we are and embracing that. You want to be submissive, then be it. Don't look around for some justification for it, you don't need it... just go with it. If you want to be dominant... be it... stop dreaming about it and start doing. You won't really know who you are and what you are capable of til you get out there an try.

_____________________________

Padriag

A stern discipline pervades all nature, which is a little cruel so that it may be very kind - Edmund Spencer

(in reply to EvilGeoff)

Profile

Post #: 27

RE: Birthright to BDSM - 1/16/2006 7:12:51 PM

Padriag

Posts: 2633
Joined: 3/30/2005
Status: offline

quote:

ORIGINAL: RiotGirl

quote:

Unless of course you want to make a case for someone being dragged into it by force.

i can help but say it.. you know that'd be kind of kinky too = ) Gosh i could come up with TONS of little kinky story lines with that. Some rich snobby girl.. made into a dirty cum slut... oooooo what a turn on! Many many more. Thanks Padriag, you have improved my library....

Oh you should see the crap I've saved in email. I've heard some damn tall tales over the last decade. Let's see... there was the girl who supposedly was forced into a life of slavery by her step father at the age of 13 after her mother died... she turned out to be a bored housewife, 31, with two kids and a fertile imagination. Then there were the three slave girls up for sale by their owner... who supposedly regularly trained and sold slaves. This "owner" was supposed extremely sadistic and cruel, lived in Texas on a private ranch, was in a hurry to sell these girls because he had a new "batch" coming and needed the room... oh and he also supposedly owned part of a casino...but made most of his money selling slaves. I called his bluff, I said I wanted to speak to him directly on the phone and was interested in buying all three girls... I suggest he simply name his price and I would put the money in an escrow account he could verify. I was quoted a price of $25,000 for all three... but he never would call me on the phone, never asked for the account to verify it and of course the girls eventually just disappeared. I've still seen that same web site up and the girls offered for sale on various web sites and forums. The shear number of hoaxes and scams out there is staggering...and folks wonder why I'm skeptical of claims made by peopel online?

Oh, and don't forget the story that circulate a few years back about a supposed rich girl who sold herself into slavery on the condition that she be used in various extreme and degrading ways, while being videotaped, and that the videotapes be sent to her parents... whom she wished to shame because apparently her father was a mean nasty landlord who was horrible to his tenants. Riiiiiiiiiiight.... an I suppose she looked just like Brittney Gastinau too?

We now return you to your regularly scheduled reality... please remain seated til the room stops spinning and comes to a complete stop.

_____________________________

Padriag

A stern discipline pervades all nature, which is a little cruel so that it may be very kind - Edmund Spencer

(in reply to RiotGirl)

Profile

Post #: 28

RE: Birthright to BDSM - 1/17/2006 6:00:14 AM

MistressAlexaS

Posts: 78
Joined: 1/13/2006
Status: offline

I've always been a Dominant since I was a small child. I always preferred doing typically *boy* things and my Father was the type who encouraged me to broaden my horizons always telling me "You can do anything you want to do if you set your mind to it."
When playing games with boys I always felt the need to compete to win, alot of the other girls played just so they could loose and look *cute* or boost the boys egos, that wasn't my bag.
I liked running the show and when we played cops and robbers, I was the cop just so I could arrest the boys and tie them up with a jump rope

Is it genetics or environment? Hmm I'd have to say its a mixture of both as both shape our personalities.

~Alexa

_____________________________

Self-reliance is the only road to true freedom, and being one's own person is its ultimate reward.
Patricia Sampson

(in reply to LaMalinche)

Profile

Post #: 29

RE: Birthright to BDSM - 1/17/2006 9:03:13 AM

truesub4u

Posts: 2949
Joined: 11/17/2005
Status: offline

quote:

ORIGINAL: MistressAlexaS

I've always been a Dominant since I was a small child. I always preferred doing typically *boy* things and my Father was the type who encouraged me to broaden my horizons always telling me "You can do anything you want to do if you set your mind to it."
When playing games with boys I always felt the need to compete to win, alot of the other girls played just so they could loose and look *cute* or boost the boys egos, that wasn't my bag.
I liked running the show and when we played cops and robbers, I was the cop just so I could arrest the boys and tie them up with a jump rope
Is it genetics or environment? Hmm I'd have to say its a mixture of both as both shape our personalities.

~Alexa

Mistress Alexa,

I like your response to this. But I'm curious as to 1 aspect of it. I'm a very competitive person. I'm one that likes to win. I was never one to want to lose to the boys and be all cute and boost egos. Even today, I won't boost even Master's ego when we play games... LOL.

Does this make me a switch, or one that hopes to get punished for not boosting an ego?.. LOL... No seriously, would this be considered a way to Dominate or just like simply me liking to win?

< Message edited by truesub4u -- 1/17/2006 9:04:08 AM >

(in reply to MistressAlexaS)

Profile

Post #: 30

RE: Birthright to BDSM - 1/18/2006 7:34:13 PM

MistressAlexaS

Posts: 78
Joined: 1/13/2006
Status: offline

It could be either actually. I did it because I knew I could win and it sure was alot of fun to see how disappointed those boys were to have lost to a girl. Maybe the fact that I'm also a sadist has something to do with it

I also liked telling those boys what to do and having them do it. If they didn't do what I wanted, they got put in the corner until I got a full apology.\
I think people who are switches are the ones who question their Dom/sub natures or have a longing deep inside of them to play both sides of the coin. As my BF said he was a pure Dom and never would have ever considered being a sub or switch..or so he thought until he met me and I opened those doors in his mind that had been closed to new experiences. I think alot of people are really switches, the problem is trust. They don't seem to have the ablity to trust another person enough to let go and when they do finally meet someone in which they can, its like a weight has been lifted off their shoulders. Reminds me of a butterfly emerging from the cocoon, spreading its beautiful wings and flying.

~Alexa

_____________________________

Self-reliance is the only road to true freedom, and being one's own person is its ultimate reward.
Patricia Sampson

(in reply to truesub4u)

Profile

Post #: 31

RE: Birthright to BDSM - 1/20/2006 11:27:31 PM

truesub4u

Posts: 2949
Joined: 11/17/2005
Status: offline

quote:

ORIGINAL: MistressAlexaS

I think people who are switches are the ones who question their Dom/sub natures or have a longing deep inside of them to play both sides of the coin.

~Alexa

Ok, I guess I totally misunderstood this statement. When I asked this. question to your post..

I'm a very competitive person. I'm one that likes to win. I was never one to want to lose to the boys and be all cute and boost egos. Even today, I won't boost even Master's ego when we play games... LOL.

Does this make me a switch, or one that hopes to get punished for not boosting an ego?.. LOL... No seriously, would this be considered a way to Dominate or just like simply me liking to win?

Am I to assume (yes I know what assume means.. LOL) that I'm a switch? And i'm actually questioning my submissiveness?

(in reply to MistressAlexaS)

Profile

Post #: 32

RE: Birthright to BDSM - 1/21/2006 12:31:15 AM

mstrofsnfulplsre

Posts: 17
Joined: 11/23/2005
Status: offline

Ok let me first start by saying that i have always known from an early age that i was a Dom i did not yet understand what that really meant until later in life, but i feel that inside of us we always have known what we are whether it is Dom sub/slave or Switch. And throughout our lifes whatever we may be shows itself in one way or another be it that we are the captains of whatever sport we choose to play, or finding friends who are submissive to you and later we even extend this to our finding of girlfriends or boyfriends even husbands and wives or to our finding a sub /slave or on the other side a sub/slave looking for there Dom or Domme. Everyone knows what and who they are and yet you see them not accepting this part of them and in doing so they deny themselves the right to be completly happy. So the question of do i think its a birthright then my answer is yes i do., because i feel everyone if they look inside of themselves will see what they are at an early age even if they do not understand completley how it will affect them later in life. and i know this is only my opinion an this question and others will not feel the same.

(in reply to truesub4u)

Profile

Post #: 33

RE: Birthright to BDSM - 1/21/2006 12:35:21 AM

truesub4u

Posts: 2949
Joined: 11/17/2005
Status: offline

MasterSinful.....

You think BDSM is a birth right? WOW and here I thought I knew you....

(in reply to mstrofsnfulplsre)

Profile

Post #: 34