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MarsBonfire -> RE: Obama does the "Left" thing... (2/6/2009 5:23:51 PM)

I'm amazed at how petty and  partisan the forum has become. It's like the whole damn board has been taken over by those GOR creeps. "Our philosophy is right, everyone else is just sadly deluded. Let's piss on them." Had enough of it, frankly.

The world has changed, GOP'ers. You've been voted out for at least four years, probably for a lot longer, considering that the nation and the world will be cursing the names of Bush and Cheany for at least the next two generations. So far the only person you have in your camp who you claim as an alternative is Palin. That's about like saying you're going to run Bozo the fucking clown for President. Seriously, good luck with that.

"The Bush System" is rising in usage as a name for all that's unamerican in government.

GITMO: Close it, move the actual terrorists into the American court system, and into actual LEGAL, Constitutionally compliant prisons.

STIMULUS PACKAGE: The GOP calls it a "spending bill" Obama points out that it IS EXACTLY THAT. That's what an economic stimulus is, you illiterate putz.

TERRORISIM: We're still going into Afghanistan. (Rememebr Afghanistan? That was the country that actually harbored the folks who attacked us. No lies about WMD, or freeing the Iraqi people... or whatever the BS excuse is this week for attacking the wrong country.

AL-NASHIRI: doofus, do you know the first damn thing about the US legal system. Reporting only half the facts like this is not going to do your arguments any good. The current illegal charges are being dropped so that one can be pressed that are prosecutable within the REAL American legal system. Not surprised you left that little detail out. It's the argument technique of a loser.

The ECONOMY: let the Bush tax cuts (which favored heavily the top 2% wage earners) lapse. Instead, offer a tax rebate to the bulk of the working country. Not just the greedy assholes. Thus stimulate small business, and make the upper classes pay their fair share, which they haven't done since Reagan.

Yup. We're in deep shit. Thanks Bush! You came into office with a country at peace, with budget surpluses, and relative goodwill around the globe. But, we were run for the better part of a decade by "Dale" from King of the Hill" and a fucking malignant weasel from the Nixon era. No wonder we're fucked for decades to come.




OrionTheWolf -> RE: Obama does the "Left" thing... (2/6/2009 6:54:16 PM)

quote:

ORIGINAL: MarsBonfire

I'm amazed at how petty and  partisan the forum has become. It's like the whole damn board has been taken over by those GOR creeps. "Our philosophy is right, everyone else is just sadly deluded. Let's piss on them." Had enough of it, frankly.


Anazed at petty and then make a comment like I put in bold?

quote:


The world has changed, GOP'ers. You've been voted out for at least four years, probably for a lot longer, considering that the nation and the world will be cursing the names of Bush and Cheany for at least the next two generations. So far the only person you have in your camp who you claim as an alternative is Palin. That's about like saying you're going to run Bozo the fucking clown for President. Seriously, good luck with that.


Do you hold anyone in Congress accountable for anything that has been happening?

quote:


"The Bush System" is rising in usage as a name for all that's unamerican in government.


Yep his admin did some pretty fucked up shit.

quote:


GITMO: Close it, move the actual terrorists into the American court system, and into actual LEGAL, Constitutionally compliant prisons.

STIMULUS PACKAGE: The GOP calls it a "spending bill" Obama points out that it IS EXACTLY THAT. That's what an economic stimulus is, you illiterate putz.

TERRORISIM: We're still going into Afghanistan. (Rememebr Afghanistan? That was the country that actually harbored the folks who attacked us. No lies about WMD, or freeing the Iraqi people... or whatever the BS excuse is this week for attacking the wrong country.

AL-NASHIRI: doofus, do you know the first damn thing about the US legal system. Reporting only half the facts like this is not going to do your arguments any good. The current illegal charges are being dropped so that one can be pressed that are prosecutable within the REAL American legal system. Not surprised you left that little detail out. It's the argument technique of a loser.

The ECONOMY: let the Bush tax cuts (which favored heavily the top 2% wage earners) lapse. Instead, offer a tax rebate to the bulk of the working country. Not just the greedy assholes. Thus stimulate small business, and make the upper classes pay their fair share, which they haven't done since Reagan.


Even the President does not want to touch those tax cuts at the moment. If you want to stimulate small business, then lower some of the payroll taxes for S-Corps or some such.

quote:


Yup. We're in deep shit. Thanks Bush! You came into office with a country at peace, with budget surpluses, and relative goodwill around the globe. But, we were run for the better part of a decade by "Dale" from King of the Hill" and a fucking malignant weasel from the Nixon era. No wonder we're fucked for decades to come.



The problems we are having go back further than the Bush admin, but they do have a large bulk of the blame.

So do you believe we should push through a stimulus package without balancing the budget?

Don't you think if it was so vitally important then get everyone to agree to stop with earmarks, especially on this bill?

Sorry if I disappointed you by not pushing my philosophy down your throat and pissing on you.

Sincerely,
One of the Gor creeps.




Coldwarrior57 -> RE: Obama does the "Left" thing... (2/7/2009 8:18:09 AM)

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ORIGINAL: rexrgisformidoni

I know how to deal with them....

its amazing .
The people in gitmo werent snatched up for CIVIL crimes.
They had taken arms up against our military.

I find it so amusing that people want to assign the US constitution to people that are NOT US citizens. And the same non us citizens would wad up the constitution and shove it down the throats of those that want so much to protect them.

Released gitmo trud kills American teen.

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MarsBonfire -> RE: Obama does the "Left" thing... (2/7/2009 9:05:17 AM)

Coldwarrior,

WRONG. You keep repeatring the same lies over and over, intending them to be swallowed whole if you just keep singing them out like some fucked up mantra. Fully 3/4 of the people in GITMO are NOT terrorists. They are TERROR SUSPECTS. Can you appreciate the difference? These were people scooped up off the street because, in some cases, they LOOKED like they might be connected to terrorisim, and might have some information. Now SEVEN YEARS LATER they are still stuck in this extra-legal system.
No chance for a fair trial, only a kangaroo court of a military tribunal... and secret military tribunals at that! No legal representation, no chance to confront their accusers... Nope, just take 'em off the street, let 'em rot in prison for years on end, and forget about them. Back in merry ol' England, that was called being thrown into a dungeon for life. It's what the founders set the Constitution up to prevent. NO MATTER WHO YOU ARE.

But, there's alway been that segment of the population that never really did believe in being American. They want to turn the US into their own private facist state. Bush was working toward that by suspending habeus corpus, creating a department of "homeland gestapo" and tapping every single phone and data line in the US. 9-11 was a godsend to these guys. They had an excuse to rush in, pass crap like PATRIOT I and II, and start using the Bill of Rights for toilet paper.

Sad to see several posters on this list who so easily thow in with them.




corysub -> RE: Obama does the "Left" thing... (2/7/2009 12:38:24 PM)

quote:

ORIGINAL: SilverMark

Well to say that "I think I have said in numerous postings that Barry Obama  is a bright guy...However, you only lose money with bright people...witness Wall Street" made me spit my water all over the monitor on my desk!...
One must assume from that premise, that stupidity is your preferred mindset....keep working, I am almost certain that you can achieve your version of nirvana....utter senselessness... I believe in you cory and know you can do it!



Having had more than a passing relationship with Wall Street I can tell you that most people don't do their own homework when they are awstruck by the intelligence of the character making the presentation.  People only do a lot of digging and questioning when they have some doubts about the person selling somthing, a stock...or a trillion dollar package of sweetened manure.  Witness the very bright people taken in by a $50 billion ponzi scheme.  A great many of these people were brilliant business people but were fooled by a brillian personable guy who just also happened to be a thief.  Chit happens.

The ideologues following Barry eat up every word...the man is bright, articulate, and as Biden said, clean.  You want to believe a man like that versus say...George Bush who is bright, clean, but not very articulate.  It was a major negative in his adminstration that George Bush adopted a "wagons in a circle" strategery. You can have the best product in the world, but if you don't sell it, it dies on the shelves.

Edited to add:  Appreciate your confidence in me.   [:)]




corysub -> RE: Obama does the "Left" thing... (2/7/2009 1:01:37 PM)

quote:

ORIGINAL: MarsBonfire

Coldwarrior,

WRONG. You keep repeatring the same lies over and over, intending them to be swallowed whole if you just keep singing them out like some fucked up mantra. Fully 3/4 of the people in GITMO are NOT terrorists. They are TERROR SUSPECTS. Can you appreciate the difference? These were people scooped up off the street because, in some cases, they LOOKED like they might be connected to terrorisim, and might have some information. Now SEVEN YEARS LATER they are still stuck in this extra-legal system.
No chance for a fair trial, only a kangaroo court of a military tribunal... and secret military tribunals at that! No legal representation, no chance to confront their accusers... Nope, just take 'em off the street, let 'em rot in prison for years on end, and forget about them. Back in merry ol' England, that was called being thrown into a dungeon for life. It's what the founders set the Constitution up to prevent. NO MATTER WHO YOU ARE.

But, there's alway been that segment of the population that never really did believe in being American. They want to turn the US into their own private facist state. Bush was working toward that by suspending habeus corpus, creating a department of "homeland gestapo" and tapping every single phone and data line in the US. 9-11 was a godsend to these guys. They had an excuse to rush in, pass crap like PATRIOT I and II, and start using the Bill of Rights for toilet paper.

Sad to see several posters on this list who so easily thow in with them.


I would appreciate hearing your source on the prisoners at Gitmo.  The information I have heard (as recently as Friday from the Capt. of the USS Cole) is that those people all went through the process and the inmates who were determined to be either not a risk or lacked sufficent evidence for conviction under pressure from ACLU, for example, were released.  Those remaining represent the hard core terrorists of Al Quida and other terror groups. Thanks to the A.C.L.U. some of these people will probably be released but now Obama has to figure out where to send them since their own countries don't want them.  Maybe you have a spare bedroom...would be a nice gesture on your part. Obama may even find out that Bush was right...think about that!

I guess it could be that I'm older and don't give a flying fuck about people who try to kill Americans wearing civilian clothes, as well as killing innocent people as they do their shopping. People in my family, and probably yours too, did not leave their homes for foreign shores to protect these scumbags.  Do you have any idea of what happens on a battlefield.  It's not like a barn fire on the Berkley campus with everyone holding hands singing Kumbyya my Lord.  Guys are tied up and castrated, their balls stuffed in their screaming mouths as they die...are bayoneted where they lie wounded on the ground.. or as we saw in Iraq, even American civlians have their heads slowly "sliced" off..not chopped...as the video camera whirled.. Fuck those guys in Gitmo..and anyone who wants to protect them.. Hey..but that's only my opinion, and I could be wrong.




NorthernGent -> RE: Obama does the "Left" thing... (2/7/2009 1:12:49 PM)

quote:

ORIGINAL: corysub

I would appreciate hearing your source on the prisoners at Gitmo. 



The prisoners themselves are your source, but they haven't been afforded a defence.




KaineD -> RE: Obama does the "Left" thing... (2/12/2009 4:05:41 PM)

quote:

ORIGINAL: MarsBonfire

I'm amazed at how petty and  partisan the forum has become. It's like the whole damn board has been taken over by those GOR creeps. "Our philosophy is right, everyone else is just sadly deluded. Let's piss on them." Had enough of it, frankly.

The world has changed, GOP'ers. You've been voted out for at least four years, probably for a lot longer, considering that the nation and the world will be cursing the names of Bush and Cheany for at least the next two generations. So far the only person you have in your camp who you claim as an alternative is Palin. That's about like saying you're going to run Bozo the fucking clown for President. Seriously, good luck with that.

"The Bush System" is rising in usage as a name for all that's unamerican in government.

GITMO: Close it, move the actual terrorists into the American court system, and into actual LEGAL, Constitutionally compliant prisons.

STIMULUS PACKAGE: The GOP calls it a "spending bill" Obama points out that it IS EXACTLY THAT. That's what an economic stimulus is, you illiterate putz.

TERRORISIM: We're still going into Afghanistan. (Rememebr Afghanistan? That was the country that actually harbored the folks who attacked us. No lies about WMD, or freeing the Iraqi people... or whatever the BS excuse is this week for attacking the wrong country.

AL-NASHIRI: doofus, do you know the first damn thing about the US legal system. Reporting only half the facts like this is not going to do your arguments any good. The current illegal charges are being dropped so that one can be pressed that are prosecutable within the REAL American legal system. Not surprised you left that little detail out. It's the argument technique of a loser.

The ECONOMY: let the Bush tax cuts (which favored heavily the top 2% wage earners) lapse. Instead, offer a tax rebate to the bulk of the working country. Not just the greedy assholes. Thus stimulate small business, and make the upper classes pay their fair share, which they haven't done since Reagan.

Yup. We're in deep shit. Thanks Bush! You came into office with a country at peace, with budget surpluses, and relative goodwill around the globe. But, we were run for the better part of a decade by "Dale" from King of the Hill" and a fucking malignant weasel from the Nixon era. No wonder we're fucked for decades to come.



Ah, common sense.  How refreshing.




KaineD -> RE: Obama does the "Left" thing... (2/12/2009 4:09:38 PM)

quote:

ORIGINAL: corysub

I would appreciate hearing your source on the prisoners at Gitmo.  The information I have heard (as recently as Friday from the Capt. of the USS Cole) is that those people all went through the process and the inmates who were determined to be either not a risk or lacked sufficent evidence for conviction under pressure from ACLU, for example, were released.  Those remaining represent the hard core terrorists of Al Quida and other terror groups. Thanks to the A.C.L.U. some of these people will probably be released but now Obama has to figure out where to send them since their own countries don't want them.  Maybe you have a spare bedroom...would be a nice gesture on your part. Obama may even find out that Bush was right...think about that!

I guess it could be that I'm older and don't give a flying fuck about people who try to kill Americans wearing civilian clothes, as well as killing innocent people as they do their shopping. People in my family, and probably yours too, did not leave their homes for foreign shores to protect these scumbags.  Do you have any idea of what happens on a battlefield.  It's not like a barn fire on the Berkley campus with everyone holding hands singing Kumbyya my Lord.  Guys are tied up and castrated, their balls stuffed in their screaming mouths as they die...are bayoneted where they lie wounded on the ground.. or as we saw in Iraq, even American civlians have their heads slowly "sliced" off..not chopped...as the video camera whirled.. Fuck those guys in Gitmo..and anyone who wants to protect them.. Hey..but that's only my opinion, and I could be wrong.


Most people in Gitmo, contrary to popular opinion, were not picked up from battlefields.

Saying that the other side treats prisoners worse is hardly a good way to set your own morality now, is it?

There have been hundreds of Gitmo prisoners released over the years, some including UK citizens, and instead of plotting terrorism they just go around telling the press what a crap time they had in Gitmo - giving the US an even worse reputation.

Thank God that worthless prison is closing.




MrRodgers -> RE: Obama does the "Left" thing... (2/12/2009 4:29:55 PM)

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ORIGINAL: corysub

quote:

ORIGINAL: KaineD

Before I comment on anything else, I really have to say I'm tired of this childish disdain so many Americans show for people that lean to the left politically.


Gosh..now I'm all upset. "childlike disdain"!!  [sm=lalala.gif]

Believe me, it's not those that "lean to the left" it's the extreme socialist lefties who would destroy America like it is today as exemplified by George Soros and MoveOn.Org, like butt kissing lackies like Keith Olberman whose kindest word about former President Bush I think was "Schmuck",,,,and you feel we have disdain for the left! 

I think I have said in numerous postings that Barry Obama  is a bright guy...However, you only lose money with bright people...witness Wall Street, and bright politicans may also have stupid ideas that don't work like "Big Government" is the solution..the only solution..when 93% of the people ARE working..and nothing is being done to make sure that baseline sabilizes and improves.  No...he wants to build "windmills".  85% of the people he serves HAVE health insurance, but he wants to destroy one of the best health care industries on the planet if not THE best to satisfy his leftist base.   Medicare in $30 or more trillion in debt based on long term projections made by David Walker, and Barry and the democrat leadership want to lower the qualifing age to 55!  Like everything else...he will say it's for the "American People"...bullshit..it's for the auto union whose workers retire at 55 and have a gap until eligable for medicare. According to a contract with the industry, in early 2010, "the union will become responsible for the health care bills of 540,000 retirees and their spouses. I know..I'm overly cynical, but  guess who donated $120 million to the democrat campaign in 2008....You win...yep..Labor Unions.  So please, spare me the "disdain" and lets banter about specifics.  I am open to "change" and workable new ideas..and hope we all are in agreement there. 

http://futurepredictions.wordpress.com/2009/01/10/david-walker/

http://www.autonews24h.com/Auto-Industry/2331.html

Yea, I much prefer the big government, deficit spending, war mongering liberal righties...I make a whole lot more money and afterlall...that's why we are here isn't it.

Thing is about these leftie liberals...they're amateurs...the repubs liberals (plutocrats) are the real pros.

For crying out loud kinkroids the repubs had the 'K Street' project...to buy all of the law they could and I am supposed to worry about the comparitive pocket change the dems command ?




corysub -> RE: Obama does the "Left" thing... (2/12/2009 11:23:18 PM)

quote:

ORIGINAL: KaineD

quote:

ORIGINAL: corysub

I would appreciate hearing your source on the prisoners at Gitmo.  The information I have heard (as recently as Friday from the Capt. of the USS Cole) is that those people all went through the process and the inmates who were determined to be either not a risk or lacked sufficent evidence for conviction under pressure from ACLU, for example, were released.  Those remaining represent the hard core terrorists of Al Quida and other terror groups. Thanks to the A.C.L.U. some of these people will probably be released but now Obama has to figure out where to send them since their own countries don't want them.  Maybe you have a spare bedroom...would be a nice gesture on your part. Obama may even find out that Bush was right...think about that!

I guess it could be that I'm older and don't give a flying fuck about people who try to kill Americans wearing civilian clothes, as well as killing innocent people as they do their shopping. People in my family, and probably yours too, did not leave their homes for foreign shores to protect these scumbags.  Do you have any idea of what happens on a battlefield.  It's not like a barn fire on the Berkley campus with everyone holding hands singing Kumbyya my Lord.  Guys are tied up and castrated, their balls stuffed in their screaming mouths as they die...are bayoneted where they lie wounded on the ground.. or as we saw in Iraq, even American civlians have their heads slowly "sliced" off..not chopped...as the video camera whirled.. Fuck those guys in Gitmo..and anyone who wants to protect them.. Hey..but that's only my opinion, and I could be wrong.


Most people in Gitmo, contrary to popular opinion, were not picked up from battlefields.

Saying that the other side treats prisoners worse is hardly a good way to set your own morality now, is it?

There have been hundreds of Gitmo prisoners released over the years, some including UK citizens, and instead of plotting terrorism they just go around telling the press what a crap time they had in Gitmo - giving the US an even worse reputation.

Thank God that worthless prison is closing.


No worse than the summer camp my kids went to one year. It was horrible and closed too!  However, I'm glad Gitmo is closing too!  I am losing too much sleep worrying about those fine lads being held down there and the negative opinion of foreigners. I think it would be much better if we moved them to Aspen where the mountains might remind them of home, Napa so they can be closer to Pelosi so she can visit them weekly when she flies home on the government jet.  Or possibly Cape Cod where Teddy and the lads could play a fun game of touch football from time to time and relieve the boredom between their discussions of "how to make IED's from things you find in the kitchen"..or "Velcro or Tape: The Preferred method to strap on a bomb"

Seriously, the only group of detainees that I understand are being offered asylum are the Uyghurs being held.  They are somewhat of an exceptional case in that the 17 are the only remaining Guantanamo detainees who have been totally cleared by the U.S. authorities of having terrorist links.However, home is China and as members of a terrorist muslim group would probably be killed if they were sent back so we are holding them.  A number of cities haver offered to take them but under international rules we can't send them to Canada or Germany, for example, withhout permission of their home country as I understand it.  Catch 22!




Truthiness -> RE: Obama does the "Left" thing... (2/13/2009 5:30:39 AM)

quote:

ORIGINAL: MarsBonfire

9-11 was a godsend to these guys. They had an excuse to rush in, pass crap like PATRIOT I and II, and start using the Bill of Rights for toilet paper.

Sad to see several posters on this list who so easily thow in with them.


And now the current administration has the recession, which is a godsend to them...because like the Bush administration, they can use the fear to sell their expansion of Federal Government power to the lemmings to turn the US into a socialist welfare state.




Owner59 -> RE: Obama does the "Left" thing... (2/13/2009 5:43:02 AM)

quote:

ORIGINAL: Truthiness

quote:

ORIGINAL: MarsBonfire

9-11 was a godsend to these guys. They had an excuse to rush in, pass crap like PATRIOT I and II, and start using the Bill of Rights for toilet paper.

Sad to see several posters on this list who so easily thow in with them.


And now the current administration has the recession, which is a godsend to them...because like the Bush administration, they can use the fear to sell their expansion of Federal Government power to the lemmings to turn the US into a socialist welfare state.


Is this an admission that all we said about bush and the neo-cons urinating and trampling on our Constitution it true!

Thanks for that!!

Now considering your favorite ex-president bush created this mess,seems silly that you would spout off about the resolutions for it.

Either fish or cut bait.What is you solution to the current mess.Or are you sticking your head under the pillow like the rest of the GOP,waiting for the nightmares to end?




twistedreality -> RE: Obama does the "Left" thing... (2/13/2009 5:44:42 AM)

This says it all:
John Godfrey Saxe's ( 1816-1887) version of the famous Indian legend,
It was six men of Indostan
To learning much inclined,
Who went to see the Elephant
(Though all of them were blind),
That each by observation
Might satisfy his mind.

The First approach'd the Elephant,
And happening to fall
Against his broad and sturdy side,
At once began to bawl:
"God bless me! but the Elephant
Is very like a wall!"

The Second, feeling of the tusk,
Cried, -"Ho! what have we here
So very round and smooth and sharp?
To me 'tis mighty clear
This wonder of an Elephant
Is very like a spear!"

The Third approached the animal,
And happening to take
The squirming trunk within his hands,
Thus boldly up and spake:
"I see," quoth he, "the Elephant
Is very like a snake!"

The Fourth reached out his eager hand,
And felt about the knee.
"What most this wondrous beast is like
Is mighty plain," quoth he,
"'Tis clear enough the Elephant
Is very like a tree!"

The Fifth, who chanced to touch the ear,
Said: "E'en the blindest man
Can tell what this resembles most;
Deny the fact who can,
This marvel of an Elephant
Is very like a fan!"

The Sixth no sooner had begun
About the beast to grope,
Then, seizing on the swinging tail
That fell within his scope,
"I see," quoth he, "the Elephant
Is very like a rope!"

And so these men of Indostan
Disputed loud and long,
Each in his own opinion
Exceeding stiff and strong,
Though each was partly in the right,
And all were in the wrong!

MORAL.
So oft in theologic wars,
The disputants, I ween,
Rail on in utter ignorance
Of what each other mean,
And prate about an Elephant
Not one of them has seen!




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