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RE: In your bondage experience what leaves the least ma... - 1/16/2006 6:21:08 AM   
LuckyAlbatross


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Wax play doesn't leave marks unless the wax is too hot. Nipple and labia clamping rarely leaves marks. Electricity play with TENS rarely leaves marks.

If you want bondage without marks, soft PMP rope can be nice, but nothing is perfect in bondage.

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RE: In your bondage experience what leaves the least ma... - 1/16/2006 10:12:54 AM   
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ORIGINAL: mistoferin
Noah,
I am glad you brought this up. While I love bondage and cuffs just fine, I am also an absolute mental bondage freak!!! I find that it tends to intensify what is going on because in order to override my body's natural impulse to move away or close my legs, whatever the case may be, I have to go really deep inside myself. I have to get right down to my core and get in touch with my submission. That mental choice to submit is much harder to do with stimuli vs. without, and when I can override the physical sensations and impulses....well for me it just makes the whole experience more fulfilling. It's much harder work on my end than being physically bound....but the rewards are mmmmmmmmm.


Yes, certainly harder in some ways than being physically bound, and to do something harder for him can be a nice thing in itself.

In other ways of course it might be something like easier--simple fact of ease of "removal" might be a factor that helped a certain person enter the bound headspace. Also, it can provide a very certain sort of focal point for the victim the mind that does can be focussed on "don't move, don't move" while the mind that feels can just let go and feel like crazy.

Maybe these factors have soemthing to do with what you describe as going deep? Or not? Anyway these are impressions I get from having had conversations with my own partners and thinking about them a bit. Make sense to you?

And maybe we should warn the OP about the exquisite traces left by the experience on the sensitive slave soul, huh? She is concerned about marks.

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RE: In your bondage experience what leaves the least ma... - 1/16/2006 10:16:21 AM   
Noah


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ORIGINAL: LuckyAlbatross
If you want bondage without marks, soft PMP rope can be nice, but nothing is perfect in bondage.


Nothing is perfect in bondage?

Well she looks perfect in it. And she seems perfectly content. Don't those count?


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RE: In your bondage experience what leaves the least ma... - 1/16/2006 10:32:04 AM   
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Be careful which blindfolds you use. I had a rather aggressive long session with a soft leather blindfold on and it rubbed a sore on the top of the bridge of my nose that lasted for weeks. Very embarrassing.

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RE: In your bondage experience what leaves the least ma... - 1/16/2006 12:25:05 PM   
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Thank you for the suggestion Noah. Yes mental bondage is a very wonderful thing, and Master and i have used it before. Unfortunately in the throws of passion my body will betray my mind and i'm unable to keep my position. Master wants to try actual bondage until my body has been trained to stay even when i may lose control.

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RE: In your bondage experience what leaves the least ma... - 1/16/2006 12:29:06 PM   
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Thank you for that information. i will definately keep that in mind. :)

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RE: In your bondage experience what leaves the least ma... - 1/17/2006 11:00:26 PM   
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You shouldn't experience much in the way of marks unless he's chained you to the back bumper of his Jeep. (Oops, I see her taking notes already.)

Velcro straps and velvet cuffs are good. I've not used fur cuffs, but they're probably fine too. If you visit Home Depot (heh heh), you'll find soft colorful ropes. Be careful if get notions about nipple clamps while there– only the tinest, weakest ones are usable on flesh.

You can get a lot of fun out of Saran wrap. The only downside is that you'll get 'hot and sweaty', but that's what you're there for, right?

If you're into crops and paddles, I've mentioned elsewhere that he can cover your backside with a wet towel, allowing you to feel all the sensation whilst reducing the chances of marks.

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RE: In your bondage experience what leaves the least ma... - 1/18/2006 12:01:00 AM   
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quote:

"Deprive your skin of oxygen"? The skin doesn't breathe. I don't know where Fleming got that idea but it's almost as bad as the idea that diamonds don't burn.


I have no idea who Fleming? is, I'm talking about sweat and rashes. If you encase in a non-breathable material you sweat.. you sweat, you get a rash.. you get a rash.. that's a mark. Her whole issue was to avoid marks. If you smother the skin with a non-breathable material, what, exactly, do you believe happens? Nothing? You don't sweat underneath it? You don't raise your external body temperature and leak out fluids in the bodies attempt to stay cool? Where do you suppose the fluid is going to go if it's trapped next to the skin? What do you suppose sweat consists of? Things like salt? An abrasive? It's just common sense here. No Ph.D required. Ask any mother of any child who ever had diaper rash how to ease the childs comfort. You take off the diaper and expose the effected area to air. Throw on some Gold Bond powder for good measure and the kid will feel better. Of course, we're talking about way's to avoid such things, not incur them. Deprive the skin of oxygen, suffer the consequences, allow the skin to breath, and don't worry about things like marks due to rashes. If you dislike the verbiage I used, that's a personal issue with which you'll have to learn to live. You can color me clueless with your comment about burning diamonds. If you were trying to make a point, I didn't get it. Fact of the matter is, to someone who has never engaged in any form of bondage before, ever, they don't know how they will react, so to suggest they go for complete mummification with saran wrap is a bit irresponsible IMO. It doesn't matter how much research someone does prior to engaging. The proof is in the pudding and if the bottom gets a panic attack, my suggestions are going to be much better suited than yours.

As for the cost of asylum restraints, I don't know where you shop, but a good set of leather cuffs has cost me upwards of $60.00.. nylon around $30.00 and my set of asylum restraints cost me $15.00.. I call that pretty cheap when you compare it and there's no comparison on the comfort levels.

If you've never gotten a bruise from having something wrapped to tightly, kudo's to you. That doesn't mean it doesn't or can't happen however. I have had to have two surgery's on my elbow because of just such a situation. A medial epicondialectomy and an ulnar/radial transposition and have lost the feeling, permanently, in my pinky and ring finger of my right hand and I get to carry an 8" m scar on my arm for the rest of my life. Not exactly the sort of marking that one chooses to own. I bruised severely the first time I was mummified with saran wrap because it was much to tight and I was in it way to long. When I came out of it, I was literally blue.. within a few days I was green and yellow. As I recall, some kind soul had recommended it to us to give it a shot because I already knew I loved bondage and 20 years ago, we didn't have an internet to go to and do some research.

You are entitled to give any advice you choose. I am entitled to disagree with it and offer my own. The OP is responsible for making the choices which best suit the situation.. the best way to do that is to be aware of the risks then decide for yourself if you want to take those risks. You offer scene info without putting forth one shred of safety information to go along with it. I operate on a different wave length. To each their own.


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RE: In your bondage experience what leaves the least ma... - 1/19/2006 1:24:33 PM   
Petruchio


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I have no idea who Fleming? is


I'm sure the reference is to Ian Fleming, 007.

Actually the skin does 'breathe' in the sense that it gives off disused gases, mostly CO2, I believe. In the same vein, you could argue that your skin urinates, too.


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RE: In your bondage experience what leaves the least ma... - 1/20/2006 7:00:18 PM   
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Hi,

Krys mentions using Bondage tape... try this : Go to your local vet supply or animal supply store. Purchase a few packages of "vet wrap" they're made to stick ONLY to themselves, are stretchable to apply, then don't stretch once stuck... and only cost about $2 each. They come in a whole rainbow of colors too...

Here's a link to buying it online...

http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/tg/detail/-/B0002V47L0/102-8312763-7524157?v=glance

http://www.statelinetack.com/global/product_detail.jsp?ASSORTMENT%3C%3East_id=2534374302024177&FOLDER%3C%3Efolder_id=2534374302029585&PRODUCT%3C%3Eprd_id=845524441809325&bmUID=1137812342966&itemNo=0&Ntt=vet+wrap&In=Horse&previousText=vet+wrap&N=156695

good luck!
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RE: In your bondage experience what leaves the least ma... - 1/20/2006 7:26:52 PM   
cailean


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Oh that sounds like so much fun! Thank you for the suggestion. :)

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RE: In your bondage experience what leaves the least ma... - 1/23/2006 12:53:31 AM   
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i made a pair of suede ankle and wrist cuffs, they are very comfortable and never leave marks.

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RE: In your bondage experience what leaves the least ma... - 1/23/2006 1:26:42 AM   
BitaTruble


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quote:

ORIGINAL: Petruchio

quote:

I have no idea who Fleming? is


I'm sure the reference is to Ian Fleming, 007.

Actually the skin does 'breathe' in the sense that it gives off disused gases, mostly CO2, I believe. In the same vein, you could argue that your skin urinates, too.




Ah. Ok. I wasn't expecting a vanilla fictional reference on a BDSM forum board. My bad. I thought Fleming was some BDSM guru I'd never heard of. ::chuckles::

Haven't actually read any of the Bond books. I think Himself might watch the occasional movie but I try to make myself busy doing other things when he does. Now, if it had been a Star Trek reference, I'd be all over it. :)

Peace and long life. :)

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RE: In your bondage experience what leaves the least ma... - 1/23/2006 11:41:52 PM   
Petruchio


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quote:

Ah. Ok. I wasn't expecting a vanilla fictional reference on a BDSM forum board. My bad. I thought Fleming was some BDSM guru I'd never heard of. ::chuckles::


I was about to give one of my smartass comebacks when I remembered that in at least one, if not two, of the 007 novels that Bond is tortured and he talks about ascending into that 'high' people here talk about.

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RE: In your bondage experience what leaves the least ma... - 1/24/2006 9:56:09 AM   
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If you want a complete absence of marks, I recommend plastic-wrap mummification backed up, if you wish, by a duct tape outer layer.

Another approach is to use commercially made soft nylon cuffs.


I'm disappointed, I thought you'd recommend a $600 fitted, black patent rubber bondage sack with eye portals and breathing tubes instead.

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