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RE: Playing the fool in politics - 2/8/2009 5:32:16 PM   
Vendaval


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You raise a very good example of how often clinics are under funded, under staffed and under equiped and undertrained.  The whole system needs an over-haul.

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RE: Playing the fool in politics - 2/8/2009 5:32:32 PM   
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Usually on a site like this one, it’s because they are scared of the repercussions.  One of the most frequent limits subs and slaves have is conservatives.  That is especially true in NY.
In the late 90's, it was usually a tactic of the left especially during all the Clinton scandals.
How many years did Bill Maher pretend he wasnt a liberal?  It was all during the clinton years.



I truly have no idea what in the hell you are trying to say here.

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RE: Playing the fool in politics - 2/8/2009 5:36:41 PM   
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I agree with most of what you have said here.
good read , thanks.


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RE: Playing the fool in politics - 2/8/2009 6:10:00 PM   
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Status: offline 		What! Are you mad?  Not pay our athletes...What in the Hell is wrong with you?   Dr.'s do require some intelligence. However, they learn out of a manual and get totest their skills in the field on the living as well as the dead.  Do they really deserve over a million bucks?  Hardly.

Take all of the football, baseball and basketball players...Combine them together.   Then realize that very few have a shot or the ability to compete at this level.  They deserve to be paid and the market bears this out.

Then we have doctors and hospitals...On what basis do they charge?  How much is a knee replacement actually worth?  Why is one hospital room so expensive?  Where is the competition?  If you want free enterprise then I would insist on transparency.

Oil companies transparent?  bullshit.  They have their lobbyists heads so far up every politicians ass that determining a fair price for gas is an impossibility.  Why is it that when oil rose that record prices were recorded?  Why were those prices not passed on to the oil companies.  Why should tobacco not be taxed?  Quite frankly, their whole product line is defective.  Why are they still in business? Try making a crib that kills a certain percentage of it's users and see how long you are in business.

I will support your notion that we live in a society where you are based on the opportunities that you create when all are given the same opportunities.  Rural and urban areas do not provide the same schooling available to so many others.  Why do we not have an amendment stating that at a public education should be equal in what it provides to all that participate?

You are an idealist.  Much of what you say makes sense.  Unfortunately it has no bearing in the world that we currently live in. 

How are we going to pay those that round up the illegals?  Doesn't sound like much fun....I'd do it for a million per year. Ya know them illegal types are fairly wily.  It takes skill to ensare them. Probably more than some doctors I know.

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RE: Playing the fool in politics - 2/8/2009 6:38:43 PM   
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Status: offline 		I’ll break it down for you.

Point #1 liberals often pretended to be something other than a liberal.

In the late 90's, it was usually a tactic of the left especially during all the Clinton scandals.
How many years did Bill Maher pretend he wasn’t a liberal?  It was all during the Bill Clinton years in the WhiteHouse.


Point #2  On a site like this one, Republicans don’t admit they are a  republican because they are scared of the repercussions.  One of the most frequent limits subs and slaves have on this site is conservatives.  That is especially true in NY.


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ORIGINAL: rulemylife

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ORIGINAL: MasterShake69

Usually on a site like this one, it’s because they are scared of the repercussions.  One of the most frequent limits subs and slaves have is conservatives.  That is especially true in NY.
In the late 90's, it was usually a tactic of the left especially during all the Clinton scandals.
How many years did Bill Maher pretend he wasnt a liberal?  It was all during the clinton years.



I truly have no idea what in the hell you are trying to say here.


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RE: Playing the fool in politics - 2/8/2009 6:52:30 PM   
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I’ll break it down for you.

Point #1 liberals often pretended to be something other than a liberal.

In the late 90's, it was usually a tactic of the left especially during all the Clinton scandals.
How many years did Bill Maher pretend he wasn’t a liberal?  It was all during the Bill Clinton years in the WhiteHouse.


Point #2  On a site like this one, Republicans don’t admit they are a  republican because they are scared of the repercussions.  One of the most frequent limits subs and slaves have on this site is conservatives.  That is especially true in NY.


To begin with, I don't think anyone is 100% liberal or 100% conservative.  I think most people, myself included, are moderates with liberal or conservative leanings.

So what a person defines himself as is subjective.  I have no problem defining myself as a liberal, but on many issues I am not.

I never remember Bill Maher portraying himself as anything but a libertarian, from his earliest stand-up routines through to his talk shows.  He has criticized and supported both left and right.  Of course, there his been little to support in the previous administration.

Point #2 I'm totally baffled on.  What does a person's private life have to do with their political views?

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RE: Playing the fool in politics - 2/8/2009 7:14:48 PM   
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My apologies for the wall of text, when I am without my caffeine my literary mechanics go straight to hell.

I know your frustration because we here are frought with economic propaganda and the ruinous venality of corporate/capitalist.

For example;
Exxon will pay nowhere near a 25% rate after their tax lawyers get done, enjoying many tax benefits that even others do not. They do not use their profits to expand or create markets...or jobs. They use $billion to buy their paper back, having turned it into money and move up the price and to retain for principles stock-options. Corporations must actually own the stock subject to options awarded.

The corporation is merely a clever paper-device to profit privately while assuming no private liability. It does not serve society but investors (most of the time) and principles (all of the time...even in failure to investors)

EVERBODY should 'look out for themselves' except farmers and bankers overseas investors and now wall street. We taxpayers have been forced by the plutocracy to 'feel their pain' and I bet these socialists are really embarrased, all of the way...to the bank.

Enough about some higher social order of self-reliance until I begin to see a whole lotta rich socialists begin to rely entirely upon themselves.

As for salary disparities...blame your hallowed 'free market' which is of course...anything but free. You are like most, looking at the warts of capitalism without looking at the decease under the skin. You'd find the plutocratic effect of calling capital free speech and using that 'speech' rigging the marketplace and taxes among other things.

Capitalism reflects its moral values in a bball player turns down over 10 times a Dr. while telling the world...'well I have to feed my kids.'

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RE: Playing the fool in politics - 2/8/2009 7:26:49 PM   
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Status: offline 		If you are really a libertarian would you then support Ralph Nader in 2000 over Harry Browne?  I dont think so.  Then on your hands and knees with Michael Moore in 2004 begging Ralph not to run for president.  Because you want Kerry to have a better chance at winning.  Those are not the actions of a libertarian.



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ORIGINAL: rulemylife

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ORIGINAL: MasterShake69

I’ll break it down for you.

Point #1 liberals often pretended to be something other than a liberal.

In the late 90's, it was usually a tactic of the left especially during all the Clinton scandals.
How many years did Bill Maher pretend he wasn’t a liberal?  It was all during the Bill Clinton years in the WhiteHouse.


Point #2  On a site like this one, Republicans don’t admit they are a  republican because they are scared of the repercussions.  One of the most frequent limits subs and slaves have on this site is conservatives.  That is especially true in NY.


To begin with, I don't think anyone is 100% liberal or 100% conservative.  I think most people, myself included, are moderates with liberal or conservative leanings.

So what a person defines himself as is subjective.  I have no problem defining myself as a liberal, but on many issues I am not.

I never remember Bill Maher portraying himself as anything but a libertarian, from his earliest stand-up routines through to his talk shows.  He has criticized and supported both left and right.  Of course, there his been little to support in the previous administration.

Point #2 I'm totally baffled on.  What does a person's private life have to do with their political views?


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RE: Playing the fool in politics - 2/8/2009 7:35:14 PM   
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Status: offline 		  On point #2 take a look at subs limits.  You will see conservative politics as one of the most frequent limits with subs from NY.  You will never see liberal politics listed as a limit in my area.

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RE: Playing the fool in politics - 2/8/2009 7:44:49 PM   
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If Nadar was more likely to win than Browne and his politics are more agreeable than other people with a chance to win... support Nadar, y'know?

If there's no chance Nadar will win, but Kerry has a shot if Nadar doesn't run... (and Kerry's better than the other guy), beg Nadar not to run.

Seems to make sense.

('course, this is all hypothetical. I wouldn't support Nadar in a million years. I refuse to vote for a 'lesser of X evils' even if I know a candidate will lose)

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RE: Playing the fool in politics - 2/8/2009 8:21:25 PM   
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What I always find curious is everyone who says something like:
"First off let me state I am neither Republican nor Democrat.  I trust neither party to actually care about me or anyone else."
always goes on to post something straight out of the conservative Republican handbook


Is that your critique?  Is that it?
I don't consider myself  republican but a conservative.  In recent years there has been little difference between big spending democrats and big spending republicans. It was more a shame,however, on the republicans in my view because they betrayed their principles and the people who elected them to office.

We all know that when repubicans had the power of Congress they abused it with out of control pork and spending programs. We are seeing the same old Big Government spending taking place today but at a a cost that most of us can't begin to understand.  I can relate to rubbing two nickels together but a "trillion dollars'...what is that..is there really such a thing...can 536 people in Washington D.C. put together a spending package that is truly in the best interest of America "in a few day" to spend that much money, and money we don't have. I truly don't believe it's possible, particularly since those in the highest decision making levels are "politicians"..and politicians do things that are "politic"..not necessarily the right thing. 

What really sticks in my craw is when these same people bring in "the American people" in their rhetoric as if they know what is best for us, what we want, and how glad we are that they are doing it for us.!  And yet, and yet when the American people do express their views as in the protection of our borders the government,made up of people who have sworn to protect us, turn away as if we didn't exist.  We said drill for oil, they said build windmills, we said develop the technology that would make cheap and plentiful coal an efficient and environmentally safe energy source for the utilities that power our country...and they said we are going to build a "grid" to connect our windmills.  I agree with the OP. Until either party proves otherwise, they are both corrupt in my view and have only an interest in power and preserving that power and not what is the right thing to do for the country.  The biggest problem as I see it is that even if these people wanted to do what is right, I don't think they have the capability to do the right thing. 

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RE: Playing the fool in politics - 2/8/2009 10:18:56 PM   
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Is that your critique?  Is that it?



Yep, that was pretty much it, because everything I could say to respond I've said a hundred times before on here.

Just like everything in your post are the same things you've said a hundred times before.

Recycling the same arguments gets a little tedious after a while.

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RE: Playing the fool in politics - 2/8/2009 11:09:15 PM   
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Status: offline 		No libertarian would support Ralph Nadar.  He is the exact opposite of a  libertarian.

Before the HBO show, Bill Maher often claimed to be a libertarian.  In the last couple years he hasn’t used that claim.  Typically the show is one moderate republican guest with 3 liberals.   Even on issues that are a passion for Bill Maher he will not attack the democrats.  One of Maher’s passions is Saudi Arabia’s influence inside the American government.  I would have expected Maher to be highly critical of Al Gore’s trip to Saudi Arabia especially with who funded it.  The weekend after Al Gore’s trip, Maher’s show premiered for its new season.   Not one word about Al Gore was mention on the show.  That moment Bill Maher lost the last shreds of credibility with me and became nothing more than another liberal democrat.



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ORIGINAL: aravain

Who people support (and why) is rarely a cut and dry decision process.

If Nadar was more likely to win than Browne and his politics are more agreeable than other people with a chance to win... support Nadar, y'know?

If there's no chance Nadar will win, but Kerry has a shot if Nadar doesn't run... (and Kerry's better than the other guy), beg Nadar not to run.

Seems to make sense.

('course, this is all hypothetical. I wouldn't support Nadar in a million years. I refuse to vote for a 'lesser of X evils' even if I know a candidate will lose)


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RE: Playing the fool in politics - 2/8/2009 11:30:16 PM   
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    At the same time, the status quo is getting steadily worse.  Our emergency rooms are overwhelmed.  I would support a greatly expanded system of community based clinics and low/no cost urgent care facilities. 


Oh really, Are you going to go to college for eight years build up a few hundred thousand dollars in college loans and then go work in one of these low cost or free urgent care facilities for minimum wage or for free ?

Medicine is getting more expensive for two reasons.

1). Medical effectiveness is getting better, people mangled in car accidents that would of had a 100 percent kill rate a couple decades ago now often live. They also consume a few hundred thousand dollars in intensive care bills instead of a couple thousand dollars in a coroner unit. Most people would consider this development a positive, especially when it's one of their family members on the ventilator.

2). People go to the doctor and expect perfect results and sue if they don't get it. OBGYN's are harder and harder to find. The typical one needs to work 40 hours a week just to cover malpractice insurance costs. They don't begin to cover their own living expenses or education loans until *after* they've spent a full time job covering their insurance.

The waivers you sign before undergoing a medical procedure should be made ironclad and enforceable against 3rd parties by federal or state legislation. Ie, your family can't sue for a dime if you croak during the operation.

Socialized medicine will address cause 1) through medical rationing (just like the canadians and britons do). They won't dare change the legal landscape which is the far greater issue.

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RE: Playing the fool in politics - 2/8/2009 11:33:17 PM   
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I never remember Bill Maher portraying himself as anything but a libertarian, from his earliest stand-up routines through to his talk shows.  He has criticized and supported both left and right.  Of course, there his been little to support in the previous administration.



If Bill Maher is a libertarian i'm a polka dotted lemur (with Internet access no less).

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RE: Playing the fool in politics - 2/9/2009 12:21:38 AM   
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On point #2 take a look at subs limits.  You will see conservative politics as one of the most frequent limits with subs from NY.  You will never see liberal politics listed as a limit in my area.

Maybe they associate Republicans with the worst side of humanity? Just guessing. I know that's how I see it.

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RE: Playing the fool in politics - 2/9/2009 12:36:08 AM   
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Lorr47,
 
You raise a very good example of how often clinics are under funded, under staffed and under equiped and undertrained.  The whole system needs an over-haul.
No it doesn't. In fact, the system needs to be reinforced, so that execs from the major health care companies can get to DC to lobby in the most modern jets. Imagine how they would be laughed at if they showed up in a Gulfstream II.

And it is completely stupid to insure anyone who has even the remotest chance of filing a claim. Insurance companies aren't in the business of insuring against risk; they are in the business of collecting premiums from healthy people so they can build huge skyscrapers, and fly around in corporate jets, and invest in insanely risky mortgage derivatives, so they can make even more money.

>censored....< >censored...<

What is the difference between insurance and the protection rackets? Not much.
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RE: Playing the fool in politics - 2/9/2009 12:56:05 AM   
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Status: offline 		Apropos of nothing, is it me, or does it seem like all the right-wing posters here are middle-aged white males?

At the Republican Convention in St. Paul, MN,  there were 2380 delegates. Of those, 36 were NOT white. Hooray for the Repubs' big tent!

There is just no getting around the fact that the republican party is the party of WASP male (questionable, in some cases) racists.

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RE: Playing the fool in politics - 2/9/2009 6:43:15 AM   
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On point #2 take a look at subs limits.  You will see conservative politics as one of the most frequent limits with subs from NY.  You will never see liberal politics listed as a limit in my area.



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RE: Playing the fool in politics - 2/9/2009 6:51:42 AM   
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What I always find curious is everyone who says something like:
"First off let me state I am neither Republican nor Democrat.  I trust neither party to actually care about me or anyone else."
always goes on to post something straight out of the conservative Republican handbook




   Right.  Because Republicans are 100% baaa-aad.  Nothing, anywhere in conservative philosophy is of any use at all.  To agree with one word Rush Limbaugh says on any topic is to swallow all of his bloviation whole.

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"To agree with one word Rush Limbaugh says on any topic is to swallow all of his bloviation whole."

So this is the public`s fault? Not him or his ditto-heads?

It`s more about being disengenuous....

Something you seem to have mastered.

Most radicals speak about 90% normal and 10%(or less) radical.Of course most people including myself can agree on most of what anyone says.

It`s the small,over the top,outrageous,disgusting radical part that sets radicals apart.

I have a neighbor who hates Jewish people and believes(and repeats) the Jewish world domination quack-pot theory stupidity.

He probably also says normal,accurate, truthfully things most of the time.I couldn`t care less.He`s a douche bag x 10 and can eat shit for breakfast for all I care.The few ugly,bigoted,weird things he`s said has set him apart(no matter what normal things come out of his mouth).

How many 10%er comments does one need to know that Rush is a malignant ,dark hate filled character?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8-Bao4VUQmI&feature=related

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=81VFfceT7tM

When I hear Rush calling President Obama a "halfrican" or the "magic negro" or his comments about black quarterbacks,do I really need to listen to anything else the bigot says or give him any kind of credibility at all?

Nope.

I wouldn`t be out of the norm to toss all his shit(good or badd-ddd) out in the same litter bag.

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