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RE: Stimulus Bill saves "Marsh Mouse"..D.C. R... - 2/13/2009 11:02:17 AM

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Democratic Senator Predicts None of His Colleagues 'Will Have the Chance' to Read Final Stimulus Bill Before Vote

http://cnsnews.com/public/content/article.aspx?RsrcID=43478

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“There is plenty to complain about for everyone, and perhaps that’s the sign of a good compromise,” said U.S. Rep. Emanuel Cleaver, a Missouri Democrat. “Regardless of party, we all cast our votes with one hand and crossed our fingers with the other.”

http://www.kansascity.com/business/story/1032285.html

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Rep. John Culberson, TX claims the "stimulus" bill must be urgently voted on today -- because Speaker Nancy Pelosi is leaving at 6:00 PM for an 8 day trip to Europe!

http://www.drudgereport.com/flashpr.htm

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SURPRISE! Dems Break Promise: Stimulus Bill to Floor Friday

http://www.humanevents.com/article.php?id=30697

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RE: Stimulus Bill saves "Marsh Mouse"..D.C. R... - 2/13/2009 12:15:41 PM

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Will the stimulus actually stimulate? Economists say no

WASHINGTON — The compromise economic stimulus plan agreed to by negotiators from the House of Representatives and the Senate is short on incentives to get consumers spending again and long on social goals that won't stimulate economic activity, according to a range of respected economists.

"I think (doing) nothing would have been better," said Ed Yardeni, an investment analyst who's usually an optimist, in an interview with McClatchy. He argued that the plan fails to provide the right incentives to spur spending.

"It's unfocused. That is my problem. It is a lot of money for a lot of nickel-and- dime programs. I would have rather had a lot of money for (promoting purchase of) housing and autos . . . . Most of this plan is really, I think, aimed at stabilizing the situation and helping people get through the recession, rather than getting us out of the recession. They are actually providing less short-term stimulus by cutting back, from what I understand, some of the tax credits."

(Full article here).

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RE: Stimulus Bill saves "Marsh Mouse"..D.C. R... - 2/13/2009 3:06:59 PM

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More news on the mouse. OH MY GAWD...the mouse won't be protected! OH NO!

http://www.politifact.org/truth-o-meter/statements/2009/feb/13/mike-pence/no-money-stimulus-san-francisco-mice/

No money in the stimulus for San Francisco mice To hear Republican House members tell it, you'd think Speaker of the House Nancy Pelosi stuffed $30 million into the stimulus bill to benefit an endangered mouse in her district. Rep. Steve King of Iowa called it an earmark and "a pet project" while pointing to a sign he made that said "Pelosi's Mouse slated for $30 Million." Rep. John Boehner of Ohio opposed the bill and asked how money "for some salt marsh mouse in San Francisco is going to help a struggling auto worker in Ohio?" And Rep. Mike Pence of Indiana said on Fox News that there was "$30 million in there to protect mice in San Francisco."

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RE: Stimulus Bill saves "Marsh Mouse"..D.C. R... - 2/13/2009 3:14:21 PM

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Irrelevant, E2Sweet. Do the errors of the past excuse continued erroring?

This has got to be one of the best replies I've ever heard.

I love it.

The same people that applauded every George Bush move, and screamed that any opposition to him in "a time of war" was unpatriotic have now, suddenly, starting in the last few months of his administration, come to the realization that he actually was in error.

Of course, taking their cues (as always) from the conservative talking heads, they realize they can't criticize Obama and the proposed stimulus package without looking like hypocritical fools.

So now the new mantra is George Bush wasn't really a conservative. Even though the same people lauded him as such for 7 1/2 years.

And being the new logic that he wasn't a conservative they now feel free to criticize him and claim that Obama is Bush's third term and two wrongs don't make a right.

Absolutely beautiful.

I'm sure Karl Rove is looking on with pride.

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RE: Stimulus Bill saves "Marsh Mouse"..D.C. R... - 2/13/2009 3:25:25 PM

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I don't know much about the tiny yiddle marsh mouse.....I do know that we have not taken care of our wetlands. This can be proven with the contining higher incidences of flooding...It is time to take pause as to what we have done to our wetlands.

I don't think that restoring our wetlands should be a apart of the stimulus bill. It is something that has to be addressed in the very near future.

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RE: Stimulus Bill saves "Marsh Mouse"..D.C. R... - 2/13/2009 4:02:47 PM

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How can you possibly know that when nobody has read the bill.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CvnwOjDjnH4

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So Pelosi did not put an earmark in the bill to save the mice. In fact, there's no money in the bill for mice. For this reason, we rate Pence's remark False.

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RE: Stimulus Bill saves "Marsh Mouse"..D.C. R... - 2/13/2009 4:37:37 PM

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How can you possibly know that when nobody has read the bill.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CvnwOjDjnH4

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So Pelosi did not put an earmark in the bill to save the mice. In fact, there's no money in the bill for mice. For this reason, we rate Pence's remark False.

How can YOU possibly know that nobody has read the bill?

Because a walking, talking douche bag like John Boehner says so?

Tell me, how does he know?

Did he quiz every member of Congress or is he just doing his usual political grandstanding?

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RE: Stimulus Bill saves "Marsh Mouse"..D.C. R... - 2/13/2009 5:39:10 PM

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How can you possibly know that when nobody has read the bill.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CvnwOjDjnH4

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So Pelosi did not put an earmark in the bill to save the mice. In fact, there's no money in the bill for mice. For this reason, we rate Pence's remark False.

How can YOU possibly know that nobody has read the bill?

Because a walking, talking douche bag like John Boehner says so?

Tell me, how does he know?

Did he quiz every member of Congress or is he just doing his usual political grandstanding?

As a matter of fact, the final 1,000 page Bill was given to Congressmen at midnight this morning.
I think it's a pretty safe bet that most of the 535 Members in both houses had no chance to view much of anything other than those sections where they had money on the table. MONEY>>>
SPENDING>>>MORE MONEY.......MORE SPENDING...But only $30 billion for those "shovel ready infrastucture projects'....I didn't believe it would be any other way...but there have to be a lot of people out there who are disappointed tonight and maybe feel betrayed.

The deal was supposed to be that after the final version was printed Members would have 48 hours for review, and the public as well. Instead, we get the same old politics with Pelosi and Reid pushing the plan through. We will only find out how badly we were screwed today over the next few days as people pick apart the bits and pieces, note the changes from previous versions, and expose the last minute additions..and deletions.
"Change" you can believe in....yea, sure! Sorry, but the first time it's "shame on you"...not going to be a "shame on me" the second time.

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RE: Stimulus Bill saves "Marsh Mouse"..D.C. R... - 2/13/2009 5:42:28 PM

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It must suck that your favorite ex-president is the cause of all this.

Without bushco,none of this would be necessary.

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RE: Stimulus Bill saves "Marsh Mouse"..D.C. R... - 2/13/2009 7:21:35 PM

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A majority of this bill isn't "necessary" as a stimulus...it is an omnibus bill that has no real direction.

A stimulus bill would be very directed. It would focus on putting the US on track. Not lumping together a bunch of projects with no real focus or direction.   Spend money? OK.... Some sort of "WPA" for people out of work? Maybe...

As far as the mortgage problem, I'd propose (but then, no one would listen anyway) that all those houses become foreclosed and that the government buy them. And then rent them to the people who live in them. And eventually, sell those houses when the "renters" moved on.   Sure, they lose their equity, but then, they probably didn't have much equity anyway.

Then we could focus on discussions for "greening" buildings and maglev trains as well as the many other pet projects that don't kick in for quite a while.

Start reading through it...just bring along some coffee..and no decaf.

But hey, it's B.O.'s show...we'll see what happens. I'll get through it in any case.

NB: I'm the "other, other" side...I'm for a two term limit: one in office and one in prison.   Bush did some bad things and some good things. So did Clinton. And so will Obama.

And to quote Hillary Clinton: I'm sick and tired of people who say that if you debate and disagree with this administration, somehow you're not patriotic. We need to stand up and say we're Americans, and we have the right to debate and disagree with any administration.

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RE: Stimulus Bill saves "Marsh Mouse"..D.C. R... - 2/13/2009 7:28:13 PM

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It must suck that your favorite ex-president is the cause of all this.

Without bushco,none of this would be necessary.

I love the smell of self-delusion in the morning. =P

The present mess is due to decades of spending money we don't have and goes way back before Bush.

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RE: Stimulus Bill saves "Marsh Mouse"..D.C. R... - 2/13/2009 8:03:46 PM

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I love the smell of self-delusion in the morning. =P

The present mess is due to decades of spending money we don't have and goes way back before Bush.

Yes, except that Bush did more damage than any of his predecessors.

Whoever you want to credit, Clinton or the Republican Congress, we had a budget surplus for two years running when Bush took office.

Instead of working to maintain those budget constraints, which could have worked toward lowering our national debt, or solving long-term issues like Social Security, he opted to use those excess funds for tax cuts, largely favoring the wealthy. A reward for his political base?

In the process, he managed in eight short years to more than double the debt this country had taken some 230+ years to accumulate.

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RE: Stimulus Bill saves "Marsh Mouse"..D.C. R... - 2/15/2009 10:48:06 AM

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Wow, all by himself he did that.

Congress was completely responsible in its budgeting process. They never sent anything to GWB to be signed that wasn't responsible in spending.

In our government, it takes TWO branches of Government to Tango. And they did... Tango Uniform, that is.....

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RE: Stimulus Bill saves "Marsh Mouse"..D.C. R... - 2/15/2009 11:18:04 AM

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Wow, all by himself he did that.

Congress was completely responsible in its budgeting process. They never sent anything to GWB to be signed that wasn't responsible in spending.

In our government, it takes TWO branches of Government to Tango. And they did... Tango Uniform, that is.....

And both those branches of government slept in the same bed, if you recall.

You'll also recall that it was Bush's plan to use the surplus that existed for massive tax cuts, instead of for paying down the debt.

A plan that the Republican Congress, abandoning that annoying little "Contract with America", decided was a swell idea.

Just to refresh your seemingly failing memory:

Bush $1.6 trillion tax-cut proposal goes to Congress.From: The Washington Times (Washington, DC) | Date: February 9, 2001| Author: Curl, Joseph; Boyer, Dave document.write("Curl, Joseph; Boyer, Dave");

President Bush yesterday sent his across-the-board tax-cut proposal to Congress, where Republicans hailed it as good news for all taxpayers, but Democrats derided it as offering only "a new Lexus for every millionaire."

"Our Treasury is full, and our people are overcharged," Mr. Bush said in his first Rose Garden ceremony, in which he promoted his tax cut. "Returning some of their money is right, and it is urgent. I urge the Congress to pass my tax-relief plan with the swiftness these uncertain times demand."

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RE: Stimulus Bill saves "Marsh Mouse"..D.C. R... - 2/15/2009 11:28:13 AM

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It still took two to tango, even by your admission, rule. The Congress COULD have sent a different bill than the one requested, just as the one that Obama wanted isn't what he will get.

Doesn't matter that they were scum in the past. They've been that way for decades, not just the past 8 years.

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I'm not a Bush apologist, so pointing out what "bush did wrong" doesn't phase me. Nor does it excuse the Obama's and the Democratic Congress's actions now.

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RE: Stimulus Bill saves "Marsh Mouse"..D.C. R... - 2/15/2009 11:48:44 AM

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It still took two to tango, even by your admission, rule. The Congress COULD have sent a different bill than the one requested, just as the one that Obama wanted isn't what he will get.

Doesn't matter that they were scum in the past. They've been that way for decades, not just the past 8 years.

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I'm not a Bush apologist, so pointing out what "bush did wrong" doesn't phase me. Nor does it excuse the Obama's and the Democratic Congress's actions now.

That assumes that the actions of Obama and the current Congress need excused.

There is a big difference between a $1.6 trillion giveaway that almost exclusively benefited the wealthiest 10% of the population and a spending program that costs less than half that figure designed to stimulate the economy and benefit everyone.

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RE: Stimulus Bill saves "Marsh Mouse"..D.C. R... - 2/15/2009 1:44:18 PM

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No,
It is perfectly OK to disagree with the approach that Obama and the Congress are going to "stimulate" the economy. Especially when so many things are buried in the bill that certainly are not stimulus oriented. When the bill is created 'in the dark' in a very non-partisan manner. When we were promised 48 hours to peruse it and it gets crammed through without openness and vetting in less than 13 hours.

It is our patriotic duty to point out what we see as wrong when we see it. At least, that's the way Hillary Clinton saw it: I'm sick and tired of people who say that if you debate and disagree with this administration, somehow you're not patriotic. We need to stand up and say we're Americans, and we have the right to debate and disagree with any administration.

Means ANY disagreement, not just prosecution of the war. Otherwise, it is a sham statement on her part.

NB: I'm not Democrat nor Republican. I'm the "other, other" side. I call them as I see them, not as some party affiliation would have me call them.

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